HSUS Celebrates S373 Passage

:mad:..............Lots of angry words...............:mad:


http://www.humanesociety.org/news/pr...el_121009.html




on to the Senate floor from here I believe.

Sad sad sad...

:( I guess we can't afford to purchase a politician like HSUS can...

And to think, I was officially reprimanded at work today for spending too much time on the phone trying to call these Legislative Terrorists...

Does state this.

The bill would not affect possession or sales within a state. People would keep and retain responsibility for existing animals.


Also is ball pythons on that list of not allowed to be shipped fromstate to state.

Disgusting...

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Also is ball pythons on that list of not allowed to be shipped fromstate to state.

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As I understand it, it is just the 9 large constrictors addressed in the USGS report.

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Originally Posted by cardell75

As I understand it, it is just the 9 large constrictors addressed in the USGS report.

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I need ot know ASAP the Exact banned list not allowed to be shipped. I have a shipment to ship out Monday of a ball and im not gonna break the law.



This hobby just got a lot harder to sell them within state lines only.

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Originally Posted by flameethrower

I need ot know ASAP the Exact banned list not allowed to be shipped. I have a shipment to ship out Monday of a ball and im not gonna break the law.



This hobby just got a lot harder to sell them within state lines only.

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From the USGS site

•Indian or Burmese Python
(Python molurus)
•Northern African Python
(Python sebae)
•Southern African Python
(Python natalensis)
•Reticulated Python
(Broghammerus/Python reticulatus)
•Boa Constrictor
(Boa constrictor)
•Green Anaconda
(Eunectes murinus)
•Yellow Anaconda
(Eunectes notaeus)
•Beni or Bolivian Anaconda
(Eunectes beniensis)
•DeSchauensee’s Anaconda
(Eunectes deschauenseei)

As I understand it the bill has left the commitee and is now going to the senate for vote?

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Originally Posted by flameethrower

I need ot know ASAP the Exact banned list not allowed to be shipped. I have a shipment to ship out Monday of a ball and im not gonna break the law.

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It hasn't passed yet. This is just one of the steps on the way to it being passed.
Correct me if I'm wrong here but how I understand it what happened here is that the comittee approved it to go to vote in the senate. So it's still got a ways to go but if the comittee didn't think it could pass then they probably wouldn't have approved it.

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Originally Posted by hud556

From the USGS site

•Indian or Burmese Python
(Python molurus)
•Northern African Python
(Python sebae)
•Southern African Python
(Python natalensis)
•Reticulated Python
(Broghammerus/Python reticulatus)
•Boa Constrictor
(Boa constrictor)
•Green Anaconda
(Eunectes murinus)
•Yellow Anaconda
(Eunectes notaeus)
•Beni or Bolivian Anaconda
(Eunectes beniensis)
•DeSchauensee’s Anaconda
(Eunectes deschauenseei)

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That list does not include royal pythons that I can see.

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Originally Posted by derrabe

As I understand it the bill has left the commitee and is now going to the senate for vote?

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beat me to it!

This is what they had to say about the animals you already have:

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"The Lacey Act also requires importers or consignees to 'promptly' export or destroy any prohibited animals or eggs at their own expense."

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Um....**** that. If they make pythons illegal and require you to kill or export your snakes from the country, I will officially be a customer of the black market.

That's just ridiculous beyond any comprehension. If I want blacklisted snakes, I'll be procuring them regardless of the legislation.

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Originally Posted by AMPearce

beat me to it!

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When is it going to the senate?

I havent seen a set vote date yet, so start sending your senators emails and phone calls advising them on your opinion

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Originally Posted by Bhikku

This is what they had to say about the animals you already have:



Um....**** that. If they make pythons illegal and require you to kill or export your snakes from the country, I will officially be a customer of the black market.

That's just ridiculous beyond any comprehension. If I want blacklisted snakes, I'll be procuring them regardless of the legislation.

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The ban does not stop you from keeping them and breeding them from what i have read. Just can not pass across state lines unless with permit for medical,science,educational purpose. They will not make you kill your pets at all.

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Originally Posted by AMPearce

It hasn't passed yet. This is just one of the steps on the way to it being passed.
Correct me if I'm wrong here but how I understand it what happened here is that the comittee approved it to go to vote in the senate. So it's still got a ways to go but if the comittee didn't think it could pass then they probably wouldn't have approved it.

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Could being the operative word here, we still have a fighting chance to let our representatives know how strongly we are opposed to this. I had all of my neighbors and freinds and family that would, write,call and fax opposition this bill to their representatives. Just to spread the oppostion of this bill to as many representatives by THEIR constituents as I could.

I'm glad that ball pythons haven't been included on that list yet but I fear that'll be the next step. I agree with whoever said they'd go pro black market if this ridiculous crap passes. I'll be doing the same.

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Originally Posted by flameethrower

The ban does not stop you from keeping them and breeding them from what i have read. Just can not pass across state lines unless with permit for medical,science,educational purpose. They will not make you kill your pets at all.

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I read that they would require you to destroy them on the ReptileChannel, but it might be an old link since it says "Proposed Python Ban"?

http://www.reptilechannel.com/reptil...ython-ban.aspx

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Originally Posted by hud556

From the USGS site

•Indian or Burmese Python
(Python molurus)
•Northern African Python
(Python sebae)
•Southern African Python
(Python natalensis)
•Reticulated Python
(Broghammerus/Python reticulatus)
•Boa Constrictor
(Boa constrictor)
•Green Anaconda
(Eunectes murinus)
•Yellow Anaconda
(Eunectes notaeus)
•Beni or Bolivian Anaconda
(Eunectes beniensis)
•DeSchauensee’s Anaconda
(Eunectes deschauenseei)

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It doesn't look like it includes the ball python but this would still be terrible if passed. I don't own any of the above listed animals but the fact is the government is trying to take our liberties away from us and the bp may not be included now but that does not mean it wouln't be in the future. I am a libertarian so I oppose any expansion of power of the federal governmant and that is exactly what this is. Bills like these are an unconstitutional expansion of the federal government. The constitution was meant to "limit" the power of the federal government, not to outline how to expand it...wow I got on a roll there for a bit, this kind of crap really gets me going.

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Originally Posted by cardell75

Could being the operative word here, we still have a fighting chance to let our representatives know how strongly we are opposed to this. I had all of my neighbors and freinds and family that would, write,call and fax opposition this bill to their representatives. Just to spread the oppostion of this bill to as many representatives by THEIR constituents as I could.

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I definately agree, could, is the operative word. Things go to senate all the time and don't pass I was just trying to emphasise the direness of the situation. We need to be fighting this full force! I totally agree with you.

I got my family who a few years ago would run from snakes Supporting our fight. They actually love holding them all the time when they are visiting. They are calling and emailing to help us out as much as they can.

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Originally Posted by AMPearce

I definately agree, could, is the operative word. Things go to senate all the time and don't pass I was just trying to emphasise the direness of the situation. We need to be fighting this full force! I totally agree with you.

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Absolutely, we have to keep fighting it. The grass roots efforts of USARK and PIJAC cannot stay with just us, we need to be out their spreading this word to everyone we know and asking for support, real support with the letters, faxes, emails amd calls. I was very surprised how many of my freinds who wont touch one of my animals (3 Species on that list) quickly made calls and drafted letters ... you never know until you ask.

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Originally Posted by cardell75

Absolutely, we have to keep fighting it. The grass roots efforts of USARK and PIJAC cannot stay with just us, we need to be out their spreading this word to everyone we know and asking for support, real support with the letters, faxes, emails amd calls. I was very surprised how many of my freinds who wont touch one of my animals (3 Species on that list) quickly made calls and drafted letters ... you never know until you ask.

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I've got a few of my friends to do the same, unfortunately my mom has said from day 1 of me owning a ball python "that should be illegal", hopefully she never gets her wish. Laws like these have farther ranging effects then just on python or reptile owners. They have the potential to lead to others laws that will affect everbody.

Even people who don't keep snakes should fight this, it's a gross violation of personal property rights.

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Originally Posted by Bhikku

Even people who don't keep snakes should fight this, it's a gross violation of personal property rights.

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Couldn't agree more the federal government is trying to rape us of our liberties and this is something that every American should be worried about.

If you haven't been involved in this yet, it is time. The HSUS will come after all exotic pets if given the chance.

Boa Constrictor seems pretty broad... dang

PLease do not stop fighting just because theres only nine listed. We as a reptile community need to stand together for whatever they try to ban. I know some people could care less if they banned the big snakes or the venomous snakes but theres people out there that truely care for these animals. As long as we keep fighting. We can beat this. It isnt over yet.

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Originally Posted by flameethrower

Does state this.

The bill would not affect possession or sales within a state. People would keep and retain responsibility for existing animals.


Also is ball pythons on that list of not allowed to be shipped fromstate to state.

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Does it matter?? If Balls are not on the list now, do you think the HSUS will be happy with their victory and go home now, content? No... they will be back for more sooner or later.

It makes me depressed the amount of apathy I am seeing from SNAKE people on this bill... if we don't stand up for our brothers and sisters that keep larger snakes, there won't be anyone left to stand up for us when they come for our smaller guys.

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Originally Posted by Hypancistrus

Does it matter?? If Balls are not on the list now, do you think the HSUS will be happy with their victory and go home now, content? No... they will be back for more sooner or later.

It makes me depressed the amount of apathy I am seeing from SNAKE people on this bill... if we don't stand up for our brothers and sisters that keep larger snakes, there won't be anyone left to stand up for us when they come for our smaller guys.

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Try re reading what i stated. I asked a question about if ball pythons were on the list. Never did i state that i dont care about the others at all. Think before you speak please.

My personal opinion is not only should we continue to fight for the rights of ALL reptile owners but also start a campaign to expose the extremist ideology of the HSUS. I feel it is a crime that they run commercials of starving and neglected animals to raise $ when almost all that $ goes to their salaries and to the lobbyists. It is misleading and ironically takes the $ of people who love animals the most to use against them to take away their rights.

If people were aware of how they operate and manipulate the public they would be disgusted and all the politicians that support them would run for cover(like the cockaroaches they really are, LOL)

People its not law yet still fight call learn how your government works!

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Originally Posted by flameethrower

Try re reading what i stated. I asked a question about if ball pythons were on the list. Never did i state that i dont care about the others at all. Think before you speak please.

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Sorry, went back and reread your posts... all I saw was you complaining about how tough it will be to sell your pythons in state. Will be even tougher when they come back for a full out ban. Happened with snakeheads in the aquarium trade and no one said anything.

You did not state that you didn't care about others, but you also didn't state support either. Apathy.

If we keep looking for the rosy side of things, a lot of the reptile species we keep will go the same way as the snakeheads.

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Originally Posted by West Coast Jungle

My personal opinion is not only should we continue to fight for the rights of ALL reptile owners but also start a campaign to expose the extremist ideology of the HSUS. I feel it is a crime that they run commercials of starving and neglected animals to raise $ when almost all that $ goes to their salaries and to the lobbyists. It is misleading and ironically takes the $ of people who love animals the most to use against them to take away their rights.

If people were aware of how they operate and manipulate the public they would be disgusted and all the politicians that support them would run for cover(like the cockaroaches they really are, LOL)

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YEAH!!!!

Ban HSUS! Do it for our children! :taz::taz::taz::taz:

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Now is not the time for us to bicker with each other....it is the time to ban together and come up with inovative ideas to reach out and have others listen. While I agree one way would be to show more of those videos regarding where the money HSUS gets goes. Now I am sure that each of us has TV stations that do "undercover" work regarding companies. Maybe we should report HSUS and try to get them to do a story on where the money goes. Maybe if we get them enough bad press on them while continuing to contact our reps...it would put them in a not so great light. ?? Just ideas...which is what we should be putting out here. Also what about contacting some of the more conservative news companies...ie Fox. They are NOT for bigger government which is exactly what this is. There are also talk radio stations in every state...typically not for big government either.

Anyone else have some good ideas to put out there. Now is the time to be innovative and unprecedented. (probably spelled that last one wrong....but you get the idea)

Also lets get some stats up on here so when some of us that maybe don't know everything can speak more clearly.

What is the area that these reptiles (if they get out or released) can survive and breed. (not the dorky map HSUS put out)...plueeeeese

What are the numbers in the everglades....and what has been proven to be the negative effect.

What is the real story with the 4 ppl that were killed.

What is the amount of revenue yearly of the reptile trade.

What is the revenue yearly on shipping.

What are the numbers of these snakes in their native land....are any endangered...or starting to be in trouble as a species?



These are things that we need to know...or at least be able to discuss if we do get in touch with someone. You have to be highly informed to win or at least influence a debate.

Folks, remember that the argument that global warming will make larger areas of the US inhabitable by these animals is a LIE. Global warming is going to make our winters HARSHER. Warmer summers will not make up for that, the winters will still kill the snakes.

Ok and one more point...(clearly on a roll)

4 ppl died...which is terrible. However...with that being said...how many ppl died from dog attacks within those years? How many have been paralyzed or killed by horse riding accidents?

Should those animals be banned??

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Originally Posted by WingedWolfPsion

Folks, remember that the argument that global warming will make larger areas of the US inhabitable by these animals is a LIE. Global warming is going to make our winters HARSHER. Warmer summers will not make up for that, the winters will still kill the snakes.

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Not to mention that if global warming continues, the Everglades, Miami, and several other coastal cities will be under water....

That's a very good, and somewhat ironically funny, point.
Global warming will indeed take care of the problem of Burmese pythons in the Everglades. Burmese aren't ocean dwellers.

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Originally Posted by axeman569

If you haven't been involved in this yet, it is time. The HSUS will come after all exotic pets if given the chance.

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Correction, the will come after ALL PETS if given the chance.

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Originally Posted by BPelizabeth

Now is not the time for us to bicker with each other....it is the time to ban together and come up with inovative ideas to reach out and have others listen.

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I agree, and apologize for my earlier statement. I had an observation at school tonight and when I came home for my break and this was added on top of that stress... blargh! It was too much! But we are all on the same side here, and we want to see this bill DEAD.

I might also point out that if we are going after dangerous and destructive invasives that have the potential for spreading across the nation, why are we not going after the common domestic cat? They are feral all over the place, they spread diseases that can harm humans and domestic animals... but why isn't anyone pushing against cats??? Hmm.... :colbert:

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Originally Posted by Hypancistrus

I might also point out that if we are going after dangerous and destructive invasives that have the potential for spreading across the nation, why are we not going after the common domestic cat? They are feral all over the place, they spread diseases that can harm humans and domestic animals... but why isn't anyone pushing against cats??? Hmm.... :colbert:

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I was curious so I just looked up how many people die from cat allergies a year in the U.S. and it's about 50. I believe that's more then have ever died from "Large Constrictor Snakes" in just one yeat.

In the US:
90 people are killed each year by lightning.
20 people are killed each year by cattle.
Over 100 are killed each year by horses.
40 people are killed (in the US and Canada together) by pigs.
17 each year by dogs.

An average of less than 1 a year are killed by giant constrictors.

Those are some great talking point stats!! Lets find out about the other questions too.

If we post on here facts for others to see it only arms us with important points that we all can speak to.....that way we don't just sound like we are uninformed and "complaining" without really being educated on the true facts. Lets keep this going!!

In fact ya know what....I am just going to start a new thread on this so more ppl can add to it. :D

so will states bordering Canada still be able to ship to Canada?

I'm wondering if this will basicly put an end to canada/usa snake trades for those banned snakes? I was just in the process of buying 3 retics.

Also they dont seem to exempt the dwarf variations.. kind of a sin.

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Originally Posted by takagari

so will states bordering Canada still be able to ship to Canada?

I'm wondering if this will basicly put an end to canada/usa snake trades for those banned snakes? I was just in the process of buying 3 retics.

Also they dont seem to exempt the dwarf variations.. kind of a sin.

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