whats going on with hr2811

so what is going on with the bill has anyone heard any thing ive tried to find updated info on the net but cant or dont know were to look i also dont have tv any more since they switched to digital i dont get anything so id just like an update pls

Last I heard at a local show this weekend was that they were revising it to include only retics,burms,anacondas and boa constrictors.

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Originally Posted by bones93

Last I heard at a local show this weekend was that they were revising it to include only retics,burms,anacondas and boa constrictors.

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Somehow, I doubt that. Boa constrictors over African Rocks...?

I also would like to know what's going on. I keep looking everywhere online, but there is absolutely nothing. Even the government pages haven't updated the bill status since November 6 (or even June/July, for some of them). I'm kind of concerned that neither a boastful HSUS nor an ecstatic USARK have mentioned anything....

They talked about hr2811 on reptile radio
http://www.blogtalkradio.com/reptileradio

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Originally Posted by bones93

Last I heard at a local show this weekend was that they were revising it to include only retics,burms,anacondas and boa constrictors.

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So lets recap shall we?
First it was introduced as all pythons
second was supposedly revised for only burmese pythons and then african rocks were added
Then when the time comes down it STILL includes all pythons and they now want to add boas.
And now someone is telling you its going to be revised to only include retics, burms, anacondas, and boas?
If so why would they leave out rocks when the hsus woman made such a big deal that retics were left out of it.

So will current owners of African Rock's be forced to give up their pets? Or will current owners AFROCK's be grandfathered in?

Even the fully automatic firearms ban of 1986, those with fully automatic arms were still allowed to keep, trade, and sell them. Buyers had to obtain a Class 3 license and state/county approval and ATF tax stamp to be able to purchase any made 1986 and earlier.

They cant possibly say "Get rid of the ones you have, now... or else."

All of the animals will be grandfathered in

***breathes a sigh of relief****

Well, they I was reading over that bill for the past few minutes. Apparently, its not technically a complete ban. You'll just a permit to own one and training, and likely have it microchipped. I'm sure the permit wont be cheap, but at least its not a total ban.

And, yeah, your right, looks like anyone who currently has one would not have to apply to these rules, only potential buyers/traders.

so we wont be allowed to breed the bps anymore right? (if all pythons are banned) When are they going to make a decision? PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE dont let it be passed :bow: :please:

Does anyone have real information? The last I heard, and I have been following this pretty closely, the bill was revised to apply only to Burmese, African Rock, and Indian Pythons.
That is where it stood when it was debated at the Hearing.

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Originally Posted by WingedWolfPsion

Does anyone have real information? The last I heard, and I have been following this pretty closely, the bill was revised to apply only to Burmese, African Rock, and Indian Pythons.
That is where it stood when it was debated at the Hearing.

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Usark said they had sat down with them and revised it to include only burmese pythons and african rock pythons instead of all pythons. And then when it came down to the hearing it wasnt changed like it was suppose to be it still read all pythons and they wanted to include boas. They did not decide at the hearing and said they were going to take a week to get some facts and more input on the ban. And thats the last I have heard. I dont believe a new hearing has been scheduled as of yet. Everyone should still be calling everyday and we need to send MAIL!!!!! Just like we did with hr 669. Im not sure why usark has not came out and said hey lets hit there mailboxes! Even if you dont keep pythons. It seems like everyone fought the week and now its kind of like ok we are gonna take it easy now and see what happens. I dont want my burms and retics and condas on the lacey act and I hope noone else wants there pythons and boas on it either. So lets send some letters and keep there lines busy. :D

HR 2811 was amended over the summer to include only burmese pythons and african rock pythons. It is not a ban on ownership, but it is a ban on import, export, and most importantly interstate transport.

That means that it would be a felony to transport a burm (of african rock) from one state to another. People seeking specialized veterinary care for their snake in a another state wouldn't be able to get it. People moving to another state for a new job or family reasons or just because they would like to would not be able to take their snake with them. Active duty military families transferred to a base in a new state would not be able to take their pet to their new duty station. For some people moving to a new state isn't a choice, it's a necessity ... these people could potentially be forced to kill or even let go their beloved pet python. HR 2811 as it's written is inhumane.

There is a new push by those in favor of HR 2811 to amend it further so that it would include anacondas, reticulated pythons, and boa constrictors. In congressional testimony, the Humane Society of the United States stated that their preference would be the inclusion of all 47 species of constrictors.

There are three ways HR 2811 can go from here. The first would be that nothing happens and it expires at the end of the year (although it would come back next year). The second is that it moves to the house floor for a full vote. The third is that someone (a congressman/woman) offers the new amendment to include anacondas, retics, and boas. There is a strong belief that the new amendment will be introduced shortly.

Hope this helps.

-adam

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Originally Posted by Adam_Wysocki

HR 2811 was amended over the summer to include only burmese pythons and african rock pythons. It is not a ban on ownership, but it is a ban on import, export, and most importantly interstate transport.

That means that it would be a felony to transport a burm (of african rock) from one state to another. People seeking specialized veterinary care for their snake in a another state wouldn't be able to get it. People moving to another state for a new job or family reasons or just because they would like to would not be able to take their snake with them. Active duty military families transferred to a base in a new state would not be able to take their pet to their new duty station. For some people moving to a new state isn't a choice, it's a necessity ... these people could potentially be forced to kill or even let go their beloved pet python. HR 2811 as it's written is inhumane.

There is a new push by those in favor of HR 2811 to amend it further so that it would include anacondas, reticulated pythons, and boa constrictors. In congressional testimony, the Humane Society of the United States stated that their preference would be the inclusion of all 47 species of constrictors.

There are three ways HR 2811 can go from here. The first would be that nothing happens and it expires at the end of the year (although it would come back next year). The second is that it moves to the house floor for a full vote. The third is that someone (a congressman/woman) offers the new amendment to include anacondas, retics, and boas. There is a strong belief that the new amendment will be introduced shortly.

Hope this helps.

-adam

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But isnt the way its written also not allow breeding?

So, instead of worrying about it now before it becomes a problem... Who do you write to stop it?

I did hear African rocks were on there as well but it seemed like the guy I was talking too jumped the gun a little bit. The way im reading this is that they are trying to add boas on the list?

It seem slike the info out there is vague. Lets just hope that with continued pressure the bill does not get passed!

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Originally Posted by beavermatic

So, instead of worrying about it now before it becomes a problem... Who do you write to stop it?

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You let them know what it would do to your family. Would it effect your income? It would kill internet sales as your not allowed to ship across state lines anymore. It would be much like indian pythons. To own one you have to have a breeder in your state. And if not you have to apply for a 200 dollar cbw permit so you can get one

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Originally Posted by bones93

Last I heard at a local show this weekend was that they were revising it to include only retics,burms,anacondas and boa constrictors.

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I have some boas that top out at five feet. I'm confused about why they would put them in the same class as retics...

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Originally Posted by Wh00h0069

I have some boas that top out at five feet. I'm confused about why they would put them in the same class as retics...

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Im confused as to why the government hasnt found something better to do.

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Originally Posted by pavlovk1025

Im confused as to why the government hasnt found something better to do.

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Because surely you have heard about the mutant hybrid maneating pythons taking over florida right?

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Originally Posted by pavlovk1025

Im confused as to why the government hasnt found something better to do.

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Honestly, humans are a much bigger invasive species than snakes. Why don't they focus on that?

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Originally Posted by bones93

Last I heard at a local show this weekend was that they were revising it to include only retics,burms,anacondas and boa constrictors.

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Okay, you were right. My apologies. :)

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Originally Posted by Denial

Because surely you have heard about the mutant hybrid maneating pythons taking over florida right?

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I live in Southwest Florida, only 30mins from the Everglades. I haven't heard one local story yet on the news or from anyone about any non-native snakes in the area or even close to it.

This 'snake invasion' stuff is absolute crap. I've been here for a little over 4 years now and there's no invasion going on. I frequent the wetlands parks around here (there are a TON) and the only snakes i've seen are native to this area.

B.S. is what HSUS is basing their claims and research on. I don't think they lifted a finger to do any actual kind of reasearch what-so-ever.

Lets see these people bring some actual proof. please there are PLENTY of other problems the gov can be wasting its time on God. This is simply another way to take away someones freedom in my opinion. :pee:HR2811

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Originally Posted by reptidude1

Lets see these people bring some actual proof. please there are PLENTY of other problems the gov can be wasting its time on God. This is simply another way to take away someones freedom in my opinion. :pee:HR2811

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The problem is that they don't need proof or any sort of real science to get something like HR2811 passed. The committee is made up of politicians, for heaven's sake. All the HSUS needs to do is throw money at it and fearmonger up one side and down the other.

until they actually post up a revision of the bill this legally still is all pythons!
what ever verbal agreements were made at this point are not in this bill.

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Originally Posted by Eventide

The problem is that they don't need proof or any sort of real science to get something like HR2811 passed. The committee is made up of politicians, for heaven's sake. All the HSUS needs to do is throw money at it and fearmonger up one side and down the other.

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i hear ya!

(lets not talk bad though about the WONDERFUL people that will actually make the decision on this bill, they might find us) I.....gotta....go.....:bolt:

I'm somewhat disappointed to by the lack of info out on the bill, but I'm sure if anything in a week or so were going to hear some kind of bombshell news.

Everything I have seen online says this bill is "To amend title 18, United States Code, to include constrictor snakes of the species Python genera as an injurious animal."

http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bill...bill=h111-2811
http://www.opencongress.org/bill/111-h2811/show
http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c111:H.R.2811:


Yet people keep saying the motion has been amended to only include certain species. Can someone please share a link to an official site that substantiates this?

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Originally Posted by Denial

Because surely you have heard about the mutant hybrid maneating pythons taking over florida right?

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Yeah I heard they were teaming up with Manbearpig and honest politicians to wipe out the octogenarians that inhabit Florida.

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Originally Posted by Wh00h0069

Honestly, humans are a much bigger invasive species than snakes. Why don't they focus on that?

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We've already established ourselves beyond repair. The day man learned to farm back so many years ago in Mesopotamia was the day the invasion began. No other animal farms and creates surplus. They take what the land gives and that's that. We used to do it too, but with farming we put the power in our hands, and began to play God with the rest of the earth's creatures.

That was way off topic lol. But yeah HR2811, boooooooo. Arent we like, broke and in a time of extreme financial instability? When will politicians focus on what it is most important instead of what bills they can say they participated in to get votes. But then again, I cant complain. I dont vote, because I have a hard time choosing one crook over another.

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Originally Posted by pavlovk1025

We've already established ourselves beyond repair. The day man learned to farm back so many years ago in Mesopotamia was the day the invasion began. No other animal farms and creates surplus. They take what the land gives and that's that. We used to do it too, but with farming we put the power in our hands, and began to play God with the rest of the earth's creatures.

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I just printed this paragraph out and hung it on my desk at work... couldn't have said it better myself

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Originally Posted by beavermatic

I just printed this paragraph out and hung it on my desk at work... couldn't have said it better myself

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In that case you owe me like 5 bucks or something.

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Originally Posted by nixer

until they actually post up a revision of the bill this legally still is all pythons!
what ever verbal agreements were made at this point are not in this bill.

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Actually, that's not 100% accurate.

On July 27th, the House Judiciary approved an amendment introduced by Congressman Rooney of Florida to add only Burmese pythons and African rock pythons to the Lacey Act (which would mean no import, export, or movement across state lines). The amendment was approved by voice vote and moved out of committee.

I've yet to find an internet site that has the current amended version of HR 2811 posted, but I can assure you that the amendment stands. A quick call to your representative in Congress will also confirm that fact.

Of course, the house has the option of throwing out the original amendment or adding further amendments to HR 2811 which is very likely at this point. Also, the Senate has it's version to hash out and from what my sources tell me, all options are on the table.

Regardless of whether HR 2811/S 373 is just Burms and Rocks or all pythons, the message from our government is that they believe American pet owners can no longer be trusted and that starting with HR 2811 & S 373, they will see fit to decide what animals should and shouldn't be kept as pets ... I'll leave it to the reader to decide how you feel about that and what you'd like to do going forward.

Blessings,

-adam

So basically we're pretty much screwed or is there hope that this thing could go down like 669 did?

What ever happened to living in a free country?! :rage:

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Originally Posted by revxus

What ever happened to living in a free country?! :rage:

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that died long ago

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Originally Posted by ScottyBoa

So basically we're pretty much screwed or is there hope that this thing could go down like 669 did?

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no its not going down like 669 did. There were alot more people involved in fighting 669.

yeah because now it only concerns our snakes- the ones a lot of people dont like because they dont understand them. 669 Concerned almost everyone's pets. Lets face it.. every one only cares about themselves

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Originally Posted by pavlovk1025

We've already established ourselves beyond repair. The day man learned to farm back so many years ago in Mesopotamia was the day the invasion began. No other animal farms and creates surplus.

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Except for ants.
Humans have never been anywhere near as special as they are convinced they are, and pretty much nothing we do is unique in type--only in degree. This only makes sense, as we come by our abilities through our genes, which come to us from our predecessors, and are passed liberally around the world through myriad creatures.
There's no single ability we have that no other creature has. We're only unique in the extremes we take some abilities to...just like other creatures.

Studying other creatures objectively is always a humbling experience.

Ok so what I'm gathering is that right now its amended but that could change at the drop of the hat. I'm familiar with how the system works and the bajillion committees a bill has to go through in both houses to become law. I just have a really bad feeling that any plans to breed my boa morphs is about to become illegal...

What about ball pythons? I really can't imagine them banning a legitimately harmless 4ft snake. Oh wait yeah I can...

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Originally Posted by revxus

What ever happened to living in a free country?! :rage:

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welcome to Big Government!!