Gargoyle

Okay so I got the ingredients but now need the pricings on these. I have looked everywhere! Fauna, King Snake and even CraigsList! Does anyone know the pricing?

Daniel

Anyone?

Daniel

I know there are a few breeders working with them in Canada, not sure about US breeders. If you check Canadian classifieds you may find a few listings, could give you a ball park figure to work with.

Bruce

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Originally Posted by Bruce Whitehead

I know there are a few breeders working with them in Canada, not sure about US breeders. If you check Canadian classifieds you may find a few listings, could give you a ball park figure to work with.

Bruce

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Thanks,

Do you know anyone in particular?

Daniel

They aren't very numerous to my knowledge.

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Originally Posted by Simpson Balls

Okay so I got the ingredients but now need the pricings on these. I have looked everywhere! Fauna, King Snake and even CraigsList! Does anyone know the pricing?

Daniel

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Whats the ingredients Daniel I have never heard of it

The gargoyle is actually a "Chipo" which Heather produced a few weeks before Ralph. It is a het red x black pastel.

Gargoyles are pretty cool looking. I like the thin stripey thing:)

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Originally Posted by briz

The gargoyle is actually a "Chipo" which Heather produced a few weeks before Ralph. It is a het red x black pastel.

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Got ya although Ralph's was done with a cinnamon I think ( may be wrong on that) I have held Chipo thats one hell of a BP. Just didn't know it was named a Gargoyle Ball

All the gargoyles I know of are cinnie x black pastel. At least up this way that is.

Bruce

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Originally Posted by Bruce Whitehead

All the gargoyles I know of are cinnie x black pastel. At least up this way that is.

Bruce

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Yes but "Chipo" owned by Heather is a Black Pastel X Het Red Axanthic cross

I did the "Chipo" (Never named the morph myself..)... Het Red to Black Pastel.

Ralph did the Gargoyle a few weeks later.. Het Red to Super Cinny.

People seem to like to name them all Gargoyles.

:confuzd:

Chipo is still alive and well.


Neither Ralph nor I have put any of them up for sale.

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Originally Posted by LadyOhh

I did the "Chipo" (Never named the morph myself..)... Het Red to Black Pastel.

Ralph did the Gargoyle a few weeks later.. Het Red to Super Cinny.

People seem to like to name them all Gargoyles.

:confuzd:

Chipo is still alive and well.


Neither Ralph nor I have put any of them up for sale.

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and oh so beautiful too lol I love Chipo

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Originally Posted by LadyOhh

I did the "Chipo" (Never named the morph myself..)... Het Red to Black Pastel.

Ralph did the Gargoyle a few weeks later.. Het Red to Super Cinny.

People seem to like to name them all Gargoyles.

:confuzd:

Chipo is still alive and well.


Neither Ralph nor I have put any of them up for sale.

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Hey I tried to give my west coast friend props with Chipo.:gj:

Heather, would you mind posting pics? I've seen the gargoyles on Ralph's site and think they are really hot.

Thanks!

I picked up one at a reptile show. Babies were going for around 75. Adults were like 125-140ish

my bad thought you were talking about the gekko.

Gargoyles are Cinni's to Het Reds. Not Super Cinni to Het Red!

Daniel

Also this picture does not look like it has any Super Cinni or Super Black P.
http://www.worldofballpythons.com/morphs/gargoyle/

Daniel

One of the importers here had a couple for sale..roughly $4000 mark ;)

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Originally Posted by Bruce Whitehead

All the gargoyles I know of are cinnie x black pastel. At least up this way that is.

Bruce

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Yeesh... ever have a day where you type something know it is wrong and reread 10x and cannot see it...

Cinnie X Het red. Is a gargoyle, not a Black X Het red. :)

*DOH!!!*

Bruce

Uh Daniel?

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Originally Posted by Simpson Balls

Gargoyles are Cinni's to Het Reds. Not Super Cinni to Het Red!

Daniel

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Think about that for a second.

If a gargoyle expresses both het red and the cinnamon gene the only difference between the two pairings you mention would be the odds of making one. :rolleyes:

Your confusing the morphs of the parents with the genetics of the offspring.


dr del

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Originally Posted by Simpson Balls

Gargoyles are Cinni's to Het Reds. Not Super Cinni to Het Red!

Daniel

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A super cinnie can only give one gene for cinnie, so you will get 50% cinnies and 50% gargoyles from that pairing.

You can make a gargoyle from a cinnie or a super cinnie. :)

Bruce

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Originally Posted by Simpson Balls

Gargoyles are Cinni's to Het Reds. Not Super Cinni to Het Red!

Daniel

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Yes, I am aware of how the morph is made. THE PAIRING that Ralph did was Super Cinny to Het Red.

Thanks for your input...

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Originally Posted by Alice

Heather, would you mind posting pics? I've seen the gargoyles on Ralph's site and think they are really hot.

Thanks!

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http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b2...s/P1080594.jpg

http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b2...s/P1080588.jpg

http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b2...s/P1080602.jpg

check out this one ! http://crystalpalacereptiles.com/pro...s/gargoyle.jpg

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http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b2...s/P1080594.jpg

http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b2...s/P1080588.jpg

http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b2...s/P1080602.jpg

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WOW! Just amazing. Thanks Heather.

Thanks for posting pics of your guy, Heather. He is stunning! I've a black pastel female and HRA male I'm raising up... I'd seen Ralph's Cinny X HRA, but just the hatchling pics. They seem to get better with age! :gj:

What are you looking for ? You can't find black pastel or cinny or het red ?

I don't know about the black pastel or the cinny, but they are a bit easier to find usually. If you can't email me, I saw a few to sale up here in Canada.

but for the het red, you should contact Corey Woods, he have a few het red still for sale, and some older ones too I think. It's easier and fast to ship from Canada to US usually.

If you are looking at buying the combo, might be a bit harder, don't think that many were produced.

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Originally Posted by Alice

WOW! Just amazing. Thanks Heather.

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agreed, that is a great snake. :)

Not to confuse this issue, but if you people are referring to the Gargoyles that Amir produced, they can also come from his het gargoyles X het gargoyle, which for all intents and purposes look like het reds to me. I bought a female a years ago and a male from him a while ago.

I did see Ralph Davis hatching them from a het red X cinnamon, and was very confused . Maybe he or someone else will clarify whats going on with that.

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Originally Posted by LadyOhh

http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b2...s/P1080594.jpg

http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b2...s/P1080588.jpg

http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b2...s/P1080602.jpg

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Wow Heather thats cool looking :gj:

I am set up this season to hopefully get a Gargoyle outcome. I've paired up a true Cinnamon Male with a Cory Woods Het Red Axanthic Female. She has yet to ovulate but then again he's still locking up with other females so I'll put him back in in a week or so. I think these are the key to getting a solid...RED snake (Super Cinni Red). Who knows....

Snake Doc, I cant wait to see what you get. Thats a sweet Het Red you have and I hope it works out as you plan. PEACE

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Originally Posted by zombieon3rd

Snake Doc, I cant wait to see what you get. Thats a sweet Het Red you have and I hope it works out as you plan. PEACE

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What's up Rob,
Well as of now she has yet to ovulate or act different except the refusal of food. I'm keeping the room temps at night around 73 then back up to 78 to 80 during the day. Your yellowbelly will be fed this week sometime and given a rest for a few days. I would like to throw a Woma in with the Gargoyle to see what that combo would look like. We'll just have to see.

Jay

You are all Wrong.

Gargoyle is:

Green Pastel x Black Pastel

Green Pastel: Amir's especial line of Het Red. but no have nothing to deal with het red. They are similar but different.

If you use:

Green Pastel x Ciannamon: you don't produce gargoyle.

Thanks. :gj:

Gargoyle is made from Green pastel to Cinnamon or Black pastel.
The result is similar but differentiable by the head.
Here is a black pastel version I produced in 2007.
http://photos.imageevent.com/ballpyt...e/IMG_8401.JPG

well ur thing says ur in ontairo the expo is sunday if ur close to toronto u might find one at the expo

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Originally Posted by amir

Gargoyle is made from Green pastel to Cinnamon or Black pastel.
The result is similar but differentiable by the head.
Here is a black pastel version I produced in 2007.
http://photos.imageevent.com/ballpyt...e/IMG_8401.JPG

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do you have a pic of a cinny version? nice looking snake by the way

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Originally Posted by amir

Gargoyle is made from Green pastel to Cinnamon or Black pastel.

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Originally Posted by chago11

do you have a pic of a cinny version?

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And perhaps a picture of a Green Pastel? Thanks!

Green Pastel
http://photos.imageevent.com/ballpyt...e/IMG_8386.JPG

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Originally Posted by amir

Green Pastel
http://photos.imageevent.com/ballpyt...e/IMG_8386.JPG

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that is amazing!

Beautiful snakes Amir. Here is a couple I hope to prove out. The male on the left has been breeding a normal and his sister which looks like a B-grade het red. It was produced by Ron Billingsley from a WC gravid female. I have the 2 male het reds and the sister to them. Some one else bought the super that he hatched out.
The one on the left looks like a Red Cinny that Next World Exotics had.
http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e1...S/HPIM2449.jpg
Here is a picture taken by Ron of the super...
http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e1.../ronsredax.jpg

[QUOTE=amir;1278879]Green Pastel
http://photos.imageevent.com/ballpyt...e/IMG_8386.JPG[/QUOTE

thats a cool looking snake

Gargoyle is also Het red x black pastel.......

Green pastels looks a lot like het reds.... is Super form similar to red Axathic ??or Different... if is similar is a het red compatible with green pastel like Cinnamon with black pastel ??
Thanks

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Originally Posted by Aes_Sidhe

Green pastels looks a lot like het reds.... is Super form similar to red Axathic ??or Different... if is similar is a het red compatible with green pastel like Cinnamon with black pastel ??
Thanks

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Hmm that is a good question. I have a Het red x black pastel and I'm not sure what to breed to him ?? Anybody out there have any ideas ?? = Gargoyle :)

I'm pretty sure Adam chelsea has a gargoyle at least he did last weekend at repticon.

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Originally Posted by Aes_Sidhe

Green pastels looks a lot like het reds.... is Super form similar to red Axathic ??or Different... if is similar is a het red compatible with green pastel like Cinnamon with black pastel ??
Thanks

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I beleive the het red and green pastels are compatible also the lace black backs are also compatible.

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Originally Posted by Haydenphoto

Gargoyle is also Het red x black pastel.......

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The Onyx is a Het Red x Black Pastel.