Great news for men everywhere.

They act like this is bad news. Big Gunns loves this news, it looks like women will be paying for everything in the future.:D:D:D Now men can finally enjoy the perks that women have been getting for years.:rofl::rofl:

http://www.sphere.com/2009/11/06/wom...-in-the-u-s%2F


ps. Somehow BG thinks he may hit a nerve here at BP.net wit this one.:D:D

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Originally Posted by Big Gunns

They act like this is bad news. Big Gunns loves this news, it looks like women will be paying for everything in the future.:D:D:D Now men can finally enjoy the perks that women have been getting for years.:rofl::rofl:

http://www.sphere.com/2009/11/06/wom...-in-the-u-s%2F


ps. Somehow BG thinks he may hit a nerve here at BP.net wit this one.:D:D

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does that mean that they get to go out and spend 6 month salary on a ring for us now? LOL

Why would anyone consider this a bad thing? Women get to pursue their dreams and are no longer being raised to believe that they have to define themselves by another person. Good to see, good to hear.

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Originally Posted by Oxylepy

Why would anyone consider this a bad thing? Women get to pursue their dreams and are no longer being raised to believe that they have to define themselves by another person. Good to see, good to hear.

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I don't think it's bad at all! I believe a independent woman is WAY more attractive than one that leeches of her husband or one that can't do anything by herself.

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Originally Posted by twistedtails

I don't think it's bad at all! I believe a independent woman is WAY more attractive than one that leeches of her husband or one that can't do anything by herself.

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I agree, but only to a point. I agree completely that it's a good thing and everything. But personally if a woman is too independent it's a major turn off. There has to be a balance, at least personally, I think they (women) should be independent in the sense that we (men) don't have to do every little thing for them, so they can be self sufficient, but there is a line. I think that we should be able to help them or treat them to something special without having them flip out. I guess you could kind of boil it down to saying that we should feel needed and helpful/useful but not obligated and completely depended upon.


So while I am all for women's rights and progression and all that good stuff, I think there is a point (at least in home life/relationships) that women shouldn't cross. Or at the very least should pretend not to cross. Because otherwise there will be a crap load of depressed, emasculated men out there. And if that happens, nobody wins.

I like being financially independent, but I also appreciate a man holding a door open for me, or treating me to a nice meal when we go out. I hope that chivalry isn't dead, but I also like knowing that I am quite capable of taking care of my own financial affairs.

No nerve hit here.

This reminds me of all my advanced placement classes. 98% of the students in the classes were women.

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Originally Posted by Big Gunns

They act like this is bad news. Big Gunns loves this news, it looks like women will be paying for everything in the future.:D:D:D Now men can finally enjoy the perks that women have been getting for years.:rofl::rofl:

http://www.sphere.com/2009/11/06/wom...-in-the-u-s%2F


ps. Somehow BG thinks he may hit a nerve here at BP.net wit this one.:D:D

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BrandonsBalls thinks that, if it were possible to talk in the 4th person, Big Gunns would be the man to do it :)

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Originally Posted by Chaossoldier11

Because otherwise there will be a crap load of depressed, emasculated men out there. And if that happens, nobody wins.

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I may email that quote to my feminist studies prof at my ex uni. Perhaps we could make men responsible for their own feelings and any resultant sense of inadequacy?

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Originally Posted by rabernet

I also appreciate a man holding a door open for me, or treating me to a nice meal when we go out. I hope that chivalry isn't dead, but I also like knowing that I am quite capable of taking care of my own financial affairs.

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I think that comes down to consideration. Having someone treat you to a meal with money they have worked hard for can show respect, it does not have to be about patronization.

I treat my friends on occasion and at other times they treat me. And BOTH of those gestures feels good. :)

Bruce

PS: I love these threads and seeing people use term like "leach" in reference to relationships. Scary, but very telling.

I have not read the link, but the genral theme reminds me of a strange feeling I once got when a male friend of mine told me he just attained a course at university called "gender studies", Hey people, what is wrong with us, we get along quite well as humans for around a couple of thousand of years, we eat poop and reproduce, in snake terms we should be happy, I think we should stop judging people because of race, sexual preferance, religion and gender and focus on being human and get along. If there is something like "gender studies" it means to me, there is a difference that needs to be studied, but what the hell should be the outcome of this studying, girls like Barbie and boys He-man, maybe, but what will this result change, nada, we are like that because evolution turned us to be that way and all fancy talk will not change us. Let us enjoy being human in the way we feel to do it.. peace

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we eat poop and reproduce, in snake terms we should be happy, I think we should stop judging people because of race, sexual preferance, religion and gender and focus on being human and get along.

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Snakes lack a limbic system and a developed neocortex.

Prejudice is a learned survival mechanism. Things that threaten your ability to survive require mechanisms to keep you alive and keep the species reproducing. A few of these mechanisms are built in and others are learned (just like work ethic is learned), prejudice is one of these mechanisms. Usually it is learned at an extremely early age from your parents or other role models. As such it is very hard to lose.

It also doesn't help that we seek out people who are similar to us and peer acceptance reinforces the mechanism.

Trying to remove prejudice from humanity is entirely useless, it's better to have people more integrated from an early age so they can get positive and negative experiences with people of all groups.

As for sexual prejudice, thats actually built into us as children in the way our parents treat us and how our peers treat us. Gender roles pretty much just constantly enforce themselves. Look at how long it has taken for women to become as empowered as they are now.

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Snakes lack a limbic system and a developed neocortex.

Prejudice is a learned survival mechanism. Things that threaten your ability to survive require mechanisms to keep you alive and keep the species reproducing. A few of these mechanisms are built in and others are learned (just like work ethic is learned), prejudice is one of these mechanisms. Usually it is learned at an extremely early age from your parents or other role models. As such it is very hard to lose.

It also doesn't help that we seek out people who are similar to us and peer acceptance reinforces the mechanism.

Trying to remove prejudice from humanity is entirely useless, it's better to have people more integrated from an early age so they can get positive and negative experiences with people of all groups.

As for sexual prejudice, thats actually built into us as children in the way our parents treat us and how our peers treat us. Gender roles pretty much just constantly enforce themselves. Look at how long it has taken for women to become as empowered as they are now.

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I do not think prejudice is a "learned" mechanism, though it is a mechanism,I think humans have to learn not to to be prejudiced, because being prejudiced against strangers, has been an advantage in reproduction way too long. I highly doubt sociology, in my eyes the most useless academic field and I am a strong believer in in social biology, genetics and evolutinary behaviour sciences, I have been studying social sciences way too long, being confronted with Freudianers and "Your peer group forms you, you are nothing" sociologists.

I suppose it could be both learned and biological. Biological in our fear things that are unlike us, learned in our usage of slang and avoidance of people who we may never have avoided before.

You dont have to be told as a child to accept the black kid, you just do and dont even notice the difference. But you do need to be told to lynch them for being a different colour in order to do it. Many children grow up not even noticing the difference in other children, but if you grow up around people who are the same as you then you would be apprehensive of people who are different, the more you have been stressed by things that are different the more likely you are to have a negative reaction to new things.

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I suppose it could be both learned and biological. Biological in our fear things that are unlike us, learned in our usage of slang and avoidance of people who we may never have avoided before.

You dont have to be told as a child to accept the black kid, you just do and dont even notice the difference. But you do need to be told to lynch them for being a different colour in order to do it. Many children grow up not even noticing the difference in other children, but if you grow up around people who are the same as you then you would be apprehensive of people who are different, the more you have been stressed by things that are different the more likely you are to have a negative reaction to new things.

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Sorry, I am to tired (it is 6 o clock in the morning over here) to go in a detailled scientific disscusion right now, especially in a sensible field like that and because you are right to a certain point.
But my initial point was that we should try to overcome our mostly, not always, unjustified prejudices (as good human beings) and try to have a good time in the short lifespan we have, without bothering to much about bs like "gender studies".(Ohhh, I am not just tired, but I am also a little bit drunk....:D)

Leech is a good word. When I got my high school alumni directory, I was completely amazed at the number of women I went to school with that are now "stay-at-home" moms. I couldn't imagine that many women were dependent on their husbands/boyfriends. Completely dependent. Not even a part-time job (granted, I got this directory before the economic downfall). I couldn't do that myself. I'm too independent to even think about letting someone control all of that stuff for me. Of course, years down the road, probably half of those women will be divorced, and slinging snot about how "my husband took everything from me, and now I have to work! Pity me, feel sorry for me, because I used to sit at home, and now I actually have to do something."

Please don't get me wrong--cleaning the house and caring for children is a full-time job in and of itself, but it's the way these women play these things off that really irks me. "Give me a bunch of free stuff because you pity me--I relied on my husband to do everything for me without any initiative, and now I can't even begin to be self-reliant." Grow up and join the real world. There are plenty of women who can and do work, and there's no reason why you can't do it. I just can't imagine anyone (man or woman) who doesn't have any type of drive to accomplish anything in their life. That would be a very pathetic existence.

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But my initial point was that we should try to overcome our mostly, not always, unjustified prejudices (as good human beings) and try to have a good time in the short lifespan we have, without bothering to much about bs like "gender studies".(Ohhh, I am not just tired, but I am also a little bit drunk....:D)

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No, no, they are unjustified in many cases, I was just going over why we are unlikely to change and why it forms. I agree we should get rid of it, but we wont and it's upsetting but its kind of something you have to accept then try and move forward from.

Man...Big Gunns was just happy that he might get an engagement ring and be taken out to McDonald's. Then you guys had to go into all this "deep" analyzing and start mentioning "Freudianers ".:D

Dont worry BG, you'll find a girl to get you a ring and some McDonalds

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Dont worry BG, you'll find a girl to get you a ring and some McDonalds

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And Big Gunns would marry her on the first date.:rofl:

... I probably would too... Man, where is the Sugar Momma Convention?

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Leech is a good word. When I got my high school alumni directory, I was completely amazed at the number of women I went to school with that are now "stay-at-home" moms. I couldn't imagine that many women were dependent on their husbands/boyfriends. Completely dependent. Not even a part-time job (granted, I got this directory before the economic downfall). I couldn't do that myself. I'm too independent to even think about letting someone control all of that stuff for me. Of course, years down the road, probably half of those women will be divorced, and slinging snot about how "my husband took everything from me, and now I have to work! Pity me, feel sorry for me, because I used to sit at home, and now I actually have to do something."

Please don't get me wrong--cleaning the house and caring for children is a full-time job in and of itself, but it's the way these women play these things off that really irks me. "Give me a bunch of free stuff because you pity me--I relied on my husband to do everything for me without any initiative, and now I can't even begin to be self-reliant." Grow up and join the real world. There are plenty of women who can and do work, and there's no reason why you can't do it. I just can't imagine anyone (man or woman) who doesn't have any type of drive to accomplish anything in their life. That would be a very pathetic existence.

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Hmm, so now there is something wrong with being a stay at home mom?

What about stay at home dads?

I dont see anything wrong with be a stay at home mom... I have been doing it for almost 3 years. Yes, it is good that woman are out getting great jobs and not being seen at less than.. I was raised up old fashioned though, I stay home care for my son, our house, animals and fix meals for my family. To use the word "leech" to describe women is very offensive, leeching would be asking for everything and not doing anything.

Hee hee. Here we go from an independent girl's perspective.

I've worked my entire adult life. Purchased my first home at 24 (on my own), and am unapologetic about not wanting children.

So what's wrong with that?

I'm GLAD there are opportunities. I don't have to be pigeonholed into what my parents' generation laid before them. The bygone years whereby the women were expected to marry and stay home with children. It's all about choice.

My husband relocated left his comfortable life and his career of 10 years for my career. (I'm in my 30's and he's in his 40's) I'm the primary breadwinner.

Women drop everything and move for the men's career all the time.

What's the big deal????

As a kudos to all the parents out there, single, stay at home, working, whatever your situation, there is no WAY I think I could handle raising children. I live vicariously through my sister, coworkers, and husband (he raised his son who is in his 20's primarily as a single dad). You have the hardest job of all.

And because I have to go the tongue in cheek route....now that women are beginning to outrank men....you guys will have to come up with something better than beer drinking and belly bumping when watching football to get a partner. Let's see you guys primp and almost stab out your eye putting on mascara!

Game on gentlemen.

Cheers!

P.S. I'd love to see a man wrestle with some pantyhose!!!

Ive been fairly independant most of my life but what I wouldnt GIVE to be a stay at home mom!

Only have 1 son and I want no more. 1 boy & a house full of animals is more than enough. I too was raised very old fashioned & strict so to be a stay at home mom does seem only natural but I have not been that lucky so I am more like my dad in that I work full time to support my family.

Doesnt mean I like to tho! I wish I could make a living entirely just by breeding reptile and rodents.

I don't really think money means anything. As long as your capable of living a comfortable life, I think it shouldn't matter 'who' spends money here or there.

I tend to give more than I receive, people have thought it's weird that I will take my boyfriend out to dinner and pay. The only reason is I tend to have more spending money available than he does. Not a big deal to me.

I think it's very important to be independent and not rely on anyone for money. Getting a professional job that you can be proud of is something worth it in itself.