Has a Caramel Pied been produced yet??

Just wondering if anyone has produced a Caramel Pied yet?? I am torn between trying to make double het axanthic pieds this season, or trading my Axanthic girl for a Caramel and shooting for those.

I'm two years away from a pied CA.

I'm not sure about the caramel pied. I've seen the axanthic pieds and they are stunning!! Hard to chose between which ones to shoot for.

....I know it would take a long time and a lot of work but one day I would LOVE to see a caramel glow pied!!!

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Originally Posted by ColdBloodedCarnival

I'm not sure about the caramel pied. I've seen the axanthic pieds and they are stunning!! Hard to chose between which ones to shoot for.

....I know it would take a long time and a lot of work but one day I would LOVE to see a caramel glow pied!!!

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I'm going to try to produce double het Axanthic Pieds this season. But I think we're along way out from a triple recessive.

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Originally Posted by TaylorS

I'm two years away from a pied CA.

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You and I are in the same boat, but neither of us are 2 yrs out from making our double recessive, unless you already have DH eggs on the ground. I think we're closer to 3yrs out. 6 months from hatching DH's, 2-2 1/2 yrs for the females to get big enough, then another 6 months to get our 1 in 16 chance. so actually 3-4 yrs. This is the ugly truth for both of us. If you can do it in 2 yrs from now i'll ship you a pastel for free!! and you'll also be my hero :bow: Good luck to you, I hope you get a clutch of 2.6 Double Hets this season.:please: :banana: :snake:

2 years for us then we have a shot at a Caramel Glow Genetic Stripe from Triple Het X Triple Het!:banana:

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Originally Posted by aarondm

I'm going to try to produce double het Axanthic Pieds this season. But I think we're along way out from a triple recessive.

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Originally Posted by Sloanreptiles

2 years for us then we have a shot at a Caramel Glow Genetic Stripe from Triple Het X Triple Het!:banana:

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:O:bow::O:bow:

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Originally Posted by aarondm

:O:bow::O:bow:

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Ya wish us luck I think we will need it! 1 in 64 in a long shot. lol

May the Gods be with you!! I was just going to ask what those odd are. I thought it was 1 in 64. Thats why I think were still a ways out. I think we'll have quadruple hets before we hit on triple recessive morph:snake::snake:

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Originally Posted by aarondm

You and I are in the same boat, but neither of us are 2 yrs out from making our double recessive, unless you already have DH eggs on the ground. I think we're closer to 3yrs out. 6 months from hatching DH's, 2-2 1/2 yrs for the females to get big enough, then another 6 months to get our 1 in 16 chance. so actually 3-4 yrs. This is the ugly truth for both of us. If you can do it in 2 yrs from now i'll ship you a pastel for free!! and you'll also be my hero :bow: Good luck to you, I hope you get a clutch of 2.6 Double Hets this season.:please: :banana: :snake:

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Will have eggs this season.

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Originally Posted by Sloanreptiles

2 years for us then we have a shot at a Caramel Glow Genetic Stripe from Triple Het X Triple Het!:banana:

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I'm also doing a triple recessive on the glow... not what you're doing. With a lot of luck will be 2012. Just hope the world doesn't end before I see its head pip lol!!!

I know Adam Wysocki produced some Double Het Caramel Pieds in 2008, but I don't know of anyone producing it yet. I would expect there will be a few shots at it next year.

As for Axanthic Pieds, I produced our Double Hets this year, so hopefully in 2 years, I will have a shot.

p.s. Good luck Sloans with the Triple Homo.

Aarondm, has the caramel female you are considering produced good eggs before? I still wonder if caramel problems (both kinking and the RUMORS of bad eggs from caramel females) could be addressed with nutrition. Caramel females might be a great buy with the right rat food high in some nutrient like vitamin C. But I don't have to worry about whether or not to buy female caramels, champagnes, or deserts because they are all out of my budget anyway.

Sloanreptiles, way to go! Let me know when you have possible triple het males available! I really like possible double het males and your side product normal looking males should only have a 1 in 27 chance of actually being normals.

Would really like it if I could find one with axanthic in there for a possible quadruple het. Problem is when people start breeding quadruple hets together there will only be 81:256 shot at producing the normal looking possible quadruple hets I should be able to afford. Each egg from a quadruple het pair will have more than a 2:3 chance of being at least one visible morph. Some people are afraid to try quadruple hets because of the 1 in 256 shot at the quadruple homozygous but I think they'll be great for the huge high morph clutch variety.

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Originally Posted by Sloanreptiles

2 years for us then we have a shot at a Caramel Glow Genetic Stripe from Triple Het X Triple Het!:banana:

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I was thinking about pickup that group, but you beat me too it. Its ok though. Imma going to stick to the project I have lol. Good luck with it!

Caramel pie-d twins...
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3030/...9eef24f583.jpg

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Originally Posted by iCandiBallPythons

Caramel pie-d twins...
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3030/...9eef24f583.jpg

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This was the range of emotions I went through reading your post...

:O:weirdface:rofl:

I want to see a pied ultramel.

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Originally Posted by TaylorS

This was the range of emotions I went through reading your post...

:O:weirdface:rofl:

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SMOOTH like butta!:banana:

last year i bred a het pied male to a 50% het caramel female..... got 6 babbies being 1.5 and i kept 3 females with the marker. i bred her to the het pied because i didnt have a caramel male or het at the time she was going into ovulation so i figured its a long shot but but also fun. the 50% het caramel female is now on a breeder loan to chris gibson in phoenix to try to prove her out het caramel. i have called around and there has yet to be ne one to produce a caramel pied but im guessing this year there will be someone and it will prob be adam from 8 ball. i was gonna buy a double het caramel pied male from him but i dont really need a adult breeder right yet.... so my 50% het pied that are poss het caramel females are on the back burners till the mother proves out het or not.

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Originally Posted by Oxylepy

I want to see a pied ultramel.

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I'm shooting for hets next year :D

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Originally Posted by irishanaconda

50% het caramel female is now on a breeder loan to chris gibson in phoenix

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i ment chuck gibbs... chris gibson is a different friend that breeds ball pythons lol.
here is a updated pic of the girl, lets hope she proves out!!
http://i86.photobucket.com/albums/k8...0-27-09039.jpg