spider and pied

I have a female spider that when she gets big enough I would like to breed her,.... I was thinking a pied ball ... So I understand that I would have to breed back the off spring to the father pied, but what I am wondering would be .... what would the het spider/pied bred to the pied father.. look like... would it still carry the markings of the spider? or what would it appear like?

A spied? :)

you could get both normal pieds and spider pieds.

Male = Piebald
Female = Spider het. Piebald

Offspring predicted as:

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25.00% Normal(het. Piebald)
25.00% Piebald
25.00% Spider (het. Piebald)
25.00% Spider Piebald

http://www.roussisreptiles.com/colle...lls/spied.html

theres a high white pied spider on there

The first generation -- the ones heterozygous for both spider and pied -- will look like normals.

Would the pied genes effect the markings of the spider like it does to the normal pied?

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Originally Posted by marct

Would the pied genes effect the markings of the spider like it does to the normal pied?

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Most of the times the Spied is all white with the spider marked head.

Really? I just don't get the whole spider thing. There is so much mystery with this morph. IMO

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Originally Posted by CritterVet

The first generation -- the ones heterozygous for both spider and pied -- will look like normals.

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no they will look like spiders

I was wrong in my previous post....since spider is a dominant gene, the spider x pied offspring will all look like spiders. I'm working with the clown gene (recessive) this season and was thinking clown when I wrote that post. Sorry! :oops:

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Originally Posted by CritterVet

I was wrong in my previous post....since spider is a dominant gene, the spider x pied offspring will all look like spiders. I'm working with the clown gene (recessive) this season and was thinking clown when I wrote that post. Sorry! :oops:

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You will get both normals het pied and spiders het pied, not just spiders het pied.

Wow, I should just stick to my firefly clowns and stop trying to talk about other morphs, because clearly that's all I can think about right now. :weirdface My apologies for being a doofus.

This pairing (spider x pied) is interesting in light of the other thread about spider gene being dominant vs. co-dominant. If it's simple dominant, a homozygous spider x piebald will give all spiders. If it's co-dominant with a lethal homozygote, a spider x piebald will give spiders and normals, because the parent spider would need to be heterozygous for spider.

Just realized that a heterozygous simple dominant spider will give you normals too, so scratch that idea.

To the original poster, sorry for being confusing in your thread!

So, your talking about the Spider het Piebald x Piebald offspring, right?

Well, I'm pretty sure you'd get poss hets (normals & Spiders), Pieds, Spiders, Normals, and Spider Pieds (Spieds). Anyone correct me if I'm wrong with the outcome of the offspring, but I'm pretty sure that's what you get.

Wow!

Spider x Pied = Spiders and Normals that are 100% het Pied.

Spider 100% het Pied x Pied = Spider Pieds, Pieds, Spiders 100% Het Pied and 100% Het Pieds.

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Originally Posted by CoolioTiffany

So, your talking about the Spider het Piebald x Piebald offspring, right?

Well, I'm pretty sure you'd get poss hets (normals & Spiders), Pieds, Spiders, Normals, and Spider Pieds (Spieds). Anyone correct me if I'm wrong with the outcome of the offspring, but I'm pretty sure that's what you get.

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No, nothing will be poss hets when breed to a pied. every het will be 100% het for pied.

This thread is confusing as hell.

Wow with all this information that is very misleading I am surprised anyone can work thoguht it...

As stated already the 100%fact off spring would be as follows

Spider x Pied = Het pieds and Spider Het pied

Spider Het pied x Pied= Pieds, Spider het Pied, Het Pied and Spider Pied.

Those are the only possible outcome without having some mysterous hidden gene. Now is that any guarantee as to what you will get out of the eggs??? Nope none at all you could get all spider pieds or all het pieds or any combination of above stated poss. babies.

Tom

Pied x Spider Het Pied

ALL offspring would be Het Pied

You would have 25% Pied Spiders, 25% Pieds, 25% Het Pied Spiders and 25% Het Pieds

There supposedly is no Homozygous form of the Spider as it is believed that they fail to develop as embryos.

Spieds (spider pieds) are all white with a spider head. It's strange, but that's what happens.