Help!!

Sorry for yelling for help but things turned really bad when I check on my 2 day old eggs this morning.

anywas..

I went to check on the temp for my 2 day old eggs and I found that the temp was 105 and then top 2 eggs looked like this...
http://i189.photobucket.com/albums/z...6/100_1239.jpg

I had the incubator set up for about 2 weeks and the temp stayed at 90-89. Then something changed in it when I added the eggs?

So... I just changed to a smaller heat pad in the incubator and I went out and bought a new digital temp gauge that has a probe and poked more holes in the side of my box. So Do you think I can save them??? I HOPE :please: :please: :please: :please:

Oh and Is it ok if the bottom eggs look wet?

Your incubation medium is too wet - replace it with something drier.

Hard to know at this point if they'll be ok with a combination of high temps and that much moisture.

that looks like hatchrite...you didnt add water to that did you? cause its premixed for you, if you did that could be the cause of the wetness...

also, what kind of thermostat are you using?

Thanks, I'm going to do that now.

I cant get the temp below 94 right now GRRRR

Since its to wet could that make it hotter?

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Originally Posted by sum182

that looks like hatchrite...you didnt add water to that did you? cause its premixed for you, if you did that could be the cause of the wetness...

also, what kind of thermostat are you using?

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no, I bought perlite and added water to it to make it wet. Guess I add to much :confused: and I just bought the Zilla battery-operated digital thermometer with a temp probe. http://store.countryliving.com/show_...tm_term=227575

You need a thermoSTAT to control the temps - they need to stay a constant temp throughout incubation. A thermoMETER does not control the amount of heat.

I don't believe the wet substrate shot up the temps, there's really no way to know.

A thermoSTAT is one of your MOST important investments for incubating eggs.

When mixing the perlite, it should be just barely moist. As in - you can barely feel that it's wet with the back of your hand when you mix it up.

Any place you thing I can get a thermostat at for it??? Ill have to do that in the morning unless wal-mart has one. But maybe next day shipping is I can find one online? but do you have one in mind that you have used befor?

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Any place you thing I can get a thermostat at for it??? Ill have to do that in the morning unless wal-mart has one. But maybe next day shipping is I can find one online? but do you have one in mind that you have used befor?

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A proportional is recommended for incubation. You can buy a Helix at http://www.reptilebasics.com/Thermostats-p-1-c-250.html and request overnight shipping.

The Ranco and Johnson's are on/off thermostats and people have used them, but they'll cut on and off with a 1 degree variance (ie, if you set it at 89, it shuts off when it reaches 89 and turns back on at 88).

try a herpstat from lllreptile.com they have good prices, but the hstat is good but a little bit pricey

Ok im going to run to the hardware store/tractor supply plus in the morning and grab on from there. I got the temp down to 89ish for the time being. So I'm not going to change the temp in my house. Hope every things ok in the morning.

cant you tell this is my 1st clutch?

my incubator set-up with lid on Rubbermaid tub
http://i189.photobucket.com/albums/z...PICT0009-1.jpg

Hi,

How are you making sure the humidity doesn't affect the heatmat? Water and electricity make me nervous.

It's only really recommended to use sealed boxes for the eggs and have the rest of the setup dry if your using a heatmat as far as I know.

I realise you are battling uncontrolled temps at the moment but I really wouldn't have poked any holes in the box either for an incubator.

It might be a good idea to actually look up some plans for cooler incubators or fish tank incubators and start from scratch. Cooler incubators are probably better but you might be able to find the parts to a fish tank incubator easier depending on the stores you have around you.

If you can't get a thermostat quickly then you could try a dimmer but it is really not recommended because of the fluctuations in temp.


dr del

My question would be how are you controlling temperatures for your snakes if you don't have a thermostat? Heat pads generally operate in the 105 - 108 degree range and can easily burn your snakes. They need a thermostat too, for safety.

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My question would be how are you controlling temperatures for your snakes if you don't have a thermostat? Heat pads generally operate in the 105 - 108 degree range and can easily burn your snakes. They need a thermostat too, for safety.

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not being mean or any thing but y do I need a thermostat for my snake for any under tank heater? i thought snakes have a built in thermostat? as long as you heat the item be for you put it in... that way they don't lay on it and the body temp raises with it and they get burnt. Oh and I love my snake but shes no prize snake so little marks are not a big thing. any was, I just don't have a lot of money, the eggs are do 2 weeks after my baby is due. and I AM NOT going into WHY I WAS TRYING TO HAVE EGGS AT THE SAME TIME IF I DID NOT HAVE THE MONEY FOR THEM. so lets not go there. as for the holes in foam its my only way to keep the temp down or it would be 110 degree in there. I will be waking up every 2 hours to check the temp.

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not being mean or any thing but y do I need a thermostat for my snake for any under tank heater? i thought snakes have a built in thermostat? as long as you heat the item be for you put it in... that they don't lay on it and the body temp raises with it and they get burnt. Oh and I love my snake but shes no prize snake so little marks are not a big think. any was, I just don't have a lot of money the eggs are do 2 weeks after my baby is due. and I AM NOT going into WHY I WAS TRYING TO HAVE EGGS AT THE SAME TIME IF I DID NOT HAVE THE MONEY FOR THEM. so lets not go there. as for the holes in foam its my only way to keep the temp down or it would be 110 degree in there. I will be waking up every 2 hours to check the temp.

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So you think it's ok because little burn marks don't bother YOU because she's "no prize snake". How about maybe not wanting to burn your snake because it's an animal that you have chosen to be responsible for all aspects of it's life? How are you measuring your temps? They don't regulate their own heat, they are ectothermic. That means that they only get as warm or as cool as their environment. They don't have an internal thermostat. Have you ever read a caresheet? I have to ask these questions as I really don't understand how anyone would assume care of an animal without knowing how to properly care for it.

Caresheet can be found here.http://ball-pythons.net/modules/Sect...warticle&id=59

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Originally Posted by pt377

not being mean or any thing but y do I need a thermostat for my snake for any under tank heater? i thought snakes have a built in thermostat? as long as you heat the item be for you put it in... that way they don't lay on it and the body temp raises with it and they get burnt. Oh and I love my snake but shes no prize snake so little marks are not a big thing. any was, I just don't have a lot of money, the eggs are do 2 weeks after my baby is due. and I AM NOT going into WHY I WAS TRYING TO HAVE EGGS AT THE SAME TIME IF I DID NOT HAVE THE MONEY FOR THEM. so lets not go there. as for the holes in foam its my only way to keep the temp down or it would be 110 degree in there. I will be waking up every 2 hours to check the temp.

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A pet is a pet. You took responsibility of her when you took her into your care, that means you provide proper care for her.

Ball pythons do not create their own heat so they seek it from outside sources. They also are kept in a small enclosure so if that heat source you provide gets too hot for them they cannot leave that enclosure to seek cooler temperatures.

They seek a basking spot close to 90 degrees and ambient temperatures need to be around 80 degrees.

Standard heating mats range from 105 - 110 degrees (as you found out with your incubator) and that is far too hot for them to regulate properly. Get a thermostat for both the snake and the incubator and you will find that your pet is much healthier and happier, and that your incubator qorks more effectively.

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Originally Posted by pt377

not being mean or any thing but y do I need a thermostat for my snake for any under tank heater?

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Not being mean - but this is why:

http://ball-pythons.net/forums/showt...ght=belly+burn

The snake's "thermostat" didn't work too well.

This thread was fine and dandy until page 2.
"Oh cool new guy trouble with incubator lets see what I can pass on"

turned into utter disgust for someone who doesnt care about "little marks" because it is not "a prize snake"

Massive fail as a keeper. Good luck with your eggs.

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Originally Posted by pavlovk1025

This thread was fine and dandy until page 2.
"Oh cool new guy trouble with incubator lets see what I can pass on"

turned into utter disgust for someone who doesnt care about "little marks" because it is not "a prize snake"

Massive fail as a keeper. Good luck with your eggs.

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thanks for the 1st part :D but not for the 2nd :colbert: .

any how for the rest of you. I was asking for help on my incubator not on how to take care of my snake. she is fine and health 'NO MARKS' he does because she bit at him, thats how I found out she was prego. I have had her for over 6 years and I dont need you yelling at me and telling me she will get burnt. I have a 105 gallon tank and if she gets hot she goes and gets on the cold side or in her water. SNAKES CAN THINK YOU KNOW??? Sorry I dont keep mine in a lttle hole like you all!

105 gallon TANK, wow.

im gonna go back to my snakes who live in a hole and arent anywhere near a temperature of 105.

please get a thermostat for both the incubator and your massive fish tank.

No one is yelling at you - but people ARE concerned about your animals more than they are about your feelings.

You stated in another thread

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Sorry just have a bad rep with forums

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If you are having "problems" with all the forums that you go to, perhaps you might want to think about why you are?

Just my personal observation. You come and you ask for help, and then when help is offered, and suggestions are made, you immediately get defensive instead of taking the comments for what they are.

Yes, many of us do take offense to taking time to help someone, only to have them reject and dismiss the help that we offer.

You may keep your animals in a HUGE tank with no temp control and they do just fine. Doesn't mean that you're providing the best environment for them.

I can keep my dog in a walk in closet day and night, only taking her out for walks and feed and water her, and she will do just fine. Doesn't mean it's the best environment for her.

With that said - good luck with your eggs.

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thanks for the 1st part :D but not for the 2nd :colbert: .

any how for the rest of you. I was asking for help on my incubator not on how to take care of my snake. she is fine and health 'NO MARKS' he does because she bit at him, thats how I found out she was prego. I have had her for over 6 years and I dont need you yelling at me and telling me she will get burnt. I have a 105 gallon tank and if she gets hot she goes and gets on the cold side or in her water. SNAKES CAN THINK YOU KNOW??? Sorry I dont keep mine in a lttle hole like you all!

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Did you even bother to read the caresheet that Walt posted for you?

In that caresheet it will explain that not only are you providing horrible temperature conditions, but that the 105g tank you are using is waaaaaay too big.

An adult BP is generally housed in nothing bigger than a 20g Long tank because they like tight compressed spaces they feel safer and less stress.

Let me guess you house both of your snakes together as well (and I'm assuming thats how she became gravid)? Thats a no-no as well. Solitary animals except for mating purposes.

PS - Snakes can think, but they can't thermoregulate. :gj: