Jungle Carpets Pythons

Hey guys,

Well I want to buy a Pair of JCP but just wondering if these are decent looking JCP's. https://ball-pythons.net/gallery/fil...2/1/carpet.jpg

Also there about 5ft is that decent for a 3yr?

Daniel

depends if you're just purchasing them to enjoy or to breed. i honestly think you'll have a hard time selling babies from that pairing. i'm sure that you would greatly enjoy them as 'pets' though.

Compare and contrast:
http://www.australianaddiction.com/JCP_PP-Pair-05.jpg

Like Colin said, they are great, but if you are looking to sell babies, most people might rather have nice yellow babies. Then again, some people are looking for an inexpensive carpet regardless of how it looks as an adult.
Just my 2 cents.
Justin

All in all, congrats. You have a great set of snakes, maybe not the quality some may want, but if it's the snake you wanted then you win.

IMO when it comes to jungles, if you want to breed you really need to search out trophy animals. Jungles have the widest range of "low end" to "high end" looks out of all carpet pythons, at least in my preferences for how they look.

However if you're just looking for a pet, the paintjob might be the last thing to consider :D

5' at 3 years is probably decent. My coastal carpet python is around 4' at a bit over 1 year, but then again coastals are bigger than jungles, and all snakes grow at different rates.

I agree that if you just want them as pets go for it if you like em. If there's a possibility that you would breed later down the road I would skip that pair. That being said I tend to like all carpets:)

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Originally Posted by waltah!

That being said I tend to like all carpets:)

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too true :D

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Originally Posted by Neal

All in all, congrats. You have a great set of snakes, maybe not the quality some may want, but if it's the snake you wanted then you win.

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I don't think he has bought them yet, but is asking for opinions before purchasing.

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Originally Posted by Colin Vestrand

depends if you're just purchasing them to enjoy or to breed. i honestly think you'll have a hard time selling babies from that pairing. i'm sure that you would greatly enjoy them as 'pets' though.

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I would like to breed them. But if I can't get rid of 15 plus babies I don't think its worth buying. Let me know. Anyway I called the guy and he said there a Irian Jaya X Jungle. A guy came over the past weekend and would not buy them because they were not Jungles. I think there just Jayas. He said he bought the pair as babies. They were sold to him as Jungles. What I have done now is said Instead of 300 for the pair ill give you 250. I want a pair of Carpets badly but if most think they won't sell then I gotta take your word!

Daniel

Also I think it is a Cross now because it has the Jaya pattern with the Jungle blushings on the sides!

Daniel

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Originally Posted by Simpson Balls

I would like to breed them. But if I can't get rid of 15 plus babies I don't think its worth buying.

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Originally Posted by Simpson Balls

I want a pair of Carpets badly but if most think they won't sell then I gotta take your word!

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I think you want them for the wrong reasons. The message im geting from these to quotes are. You only want them so you can breed them, and then make some cash from the babies. But to you there is no point of buying them unless you can sell the babies. Why dont you get them but just dont breed them? That way you have a cool pair of carpets, and you dont have to worry about careing for a bunch of babies or trying to sell them. Doest that sound like a good plane?

Since you're new to Carpets you could also consider just getting a single animal to see how you like em. I've had animals that I really wanted and found out that I didn't really enjoy keeping them. If you get a really good quality female you can always pick up a male later if you love keeping them and want to breed.

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Originally Posted by jgjulander

Compare and contrast:
http://www.australianaddiction.com/JCP_PP-Pair-05.jpg

Like Colin said, they are great, but if you are looking to sell babies, most people might rather have nice yellow babies. Then again, some people are looking for an inexpensive carpet regardless of how it looks as an adult.
Just my 2 cents.
Justin

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BTW, that's one smokin animal!~

nah, i don't see it personally... i'd skip it and look for something else if you're serious about owning some adult carpets.

this pair... they're cheap, but you don't even know what you're buying now... which means that if you get babies, you can't responsibly even tell someone what you're selling them, ya know?

Okay,

Everyone. I like them alot I think there nice and all but I just want to clarify if there Jungles or not. Ovi there not. I would want to breed them one day thats why I ask if they would sell at all. I don't want to have have 20 Carpet babies thats just to much carpets for me.

Daniel

also if your in it just for the money don't waste your time with cheap normals. you most likely won't make your money back. You want to look at morphs such as jags tiger zebras granites ect. only different between raising a morph and a normal is the cost of the animal, feeding, heating, care taking all cost the same.

but personally, if you just into it for the money, i think theres alot of other hobbies without such a risk (animal dies, slow grower, won't breed, bad eggs, babies won't eat, ect.) and much bigger payout per time/money invested.

Personally I own a 1.1 high yellow pair of jungles and love them. alot more personality than a ball python. but I didn't get them for the money, Jungles are one of the snakes that got me into this hobby. I plan on getting a jag female (even better would be a jungle/jag cross), again not for the money, but i want to see my males yellow in jag form :-).

my advise, if you want to get into jungles and breed them for the hell of it. get a pair of high yellows, one of the best looking non-morph snakes IMO, and you should be able to sell babies (but don't plan on being in the profit zone). If you in it for the money, another hobby might not disappoint you as much.

and to answer your question, most people look for 2 kinds of jungles high yellow and black and white, those do not fit eigher. tho a high yellow as a baby won't be yellow, they grow into it. my little guy.... no resent pictures, hes even got a little more yellow now. check out the parents to see how your carpet will most likly look

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v5...08-10-28-2.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v5...9-3-29-1-1.jpg

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Originally Posted by Simpson Balls

Okay,

Everyone. I like them alot I think there nice and all but I just want to clarify if there Jungles or not. Ovi there not. I would want to breed them one day thats why I ask if they would sell at all. I don't want to have have 20 Carpet babies thats just to much carpets for me.

Daniel

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They are either C/D grade jungles or mutts. I'd actually vote the former rather than the latter.

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Originally Posted by OhhWatALoser

also if your in it just for the money don't waste your time with cheap normals. you most likely won't make your money back. You want to look at morphs such as jags tiger zebras granites ect.

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IMHO, if you want to make money with carpets, don't go with morphs... get a trio of real nice jungles from very well known lines. i see more jungles going for astronomical prices with guys sold out by the time labor day rolls around than any morphs. you get two clutches of sweet jungles and you just raked in $11k after a $1k investment.

all too often, morphs are just hoop dreams... or pyramid scams.

anyway, i digress, i'm in love with the brown carpets (mcdowelli). :rolleyes:

Those Look Very VERY IJ to me....just sayin.

Colin Hit some awewome points!

Id Agree with Colin Hands down, selectively bred jungles are worth a lot more than this morph stuff, and I own some morph stuff, but a perfect jungle is a hard sight to beat.

IMO those are IJ/Jungles more than likely.

Id suggest building a 2.3 group of jungles, get ones from all different lines, theres plenty of top notch, well respected pure jungles out there, and then mix and match. Selectively bred Jungles will always be worth more than any mutation.http://www.moreliapythons.com/forums...1&d=1247792828

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Originally Posted by Colin Vestrand

anyway, i digress, i'm in love with the brown carpets (mcdowelli). :rolleyes:

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me too :D

ok im not understanding the logic here, combo morphs are a few thousands, albino alone is a crazy amount, high yellow jungles go for,,, well mine was 125$ and my 2 year old girl was 250 shipped, i dont think its a comparision

I had someone trying to drop a trio of basically full grown bloods on me at the show this weekend, they weren't particularly pretty, looked like borneos. I asked what they were and he said half red half black... was like, ohhhhhh... That explained the stupidly low price... I don't see why anyone would make that cross, it was fugly compared to either of its components... but I digress.

For me, quality comes before quantity. You just gotta know when to pass sometimes. Also, I hardly think selectively choosing carpets is "greedy and in it for the money only."

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Originally Posted by Colin Vestrand

IMHO, if you want to make money with carpets, don't go with morphs... get a trio of real nice jungles from very well known lines. i see more jungles going for astronomical prices with guys sold out by the time labor day rolls around than any morphs. you get two clutches of sweet jungles and you just raked in $11k after a $1k investment.

all too often, morphs are just hoop dreams... or pyramid scams.

anyway, i digress, i'm in love with the brown carpets (mcdowelli). :rolleyes:

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I wish the UK prices were as boyant for Jungles. I just hatched 13 - the sire being the hi yellow pictured to a very nice yellow female and i'm struggling to get £150 a pair over here!
Export...now there's an idea!:cool:

Not sure if it was brought up in a previous post, didn;t read every one. The guy bought them as babies, are they clutch mates? I see a problem with breeding siblings, some do not.

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Originally Posted by DavidG

Not sure if it was brought up in a previous post, didn;t read every one. The guy bought them as babies, are they clutch mates? I see a problem with breeding siblings, some do not.

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Bear in mind most of these subspecies live in isolated populations so would naturally breed with siblings/parents. Also bear in mind that Reptilian DNA is a simpler chain than mammalian and keeping a chain pure can actually prevent deforimities etc (see the study on cunninghams skinks as a good example.)
Also couple the above with the very limited bloodlines outside of Oz.

The only time I can foresee future problems is when interbreeding snakes (and other reptiles) with weak/defective/abnormal genes. 'Morphs' for example.

Out of interest what problems do you see?

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Originally Posted by OhhWatALoser

ok im not understanding the logic here, combo morphs are a few thousands, albino alone is a crazy amount, high yellow jungles go for,,, well mine was 125$ and my 2 year old girl was 250 shipped, i dont think its a comparision

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http://moreliapython.googlepages.com/

True trophy carpet pythons command a value WELL above $125. Granted some trophies are jags and intergrades, but they aren't combo morphs. I think albino or zebra or any other morph other than jag is completely unnecessary and in fact unwanted (for my preferences at least) for animals of the quality at the above website.

I don't know what a DJJ sib from a clutch laid by Gamma has sold for, but whatever price was paid was not enough.. lol

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Originally Posted by mainbutter

http://moreliapython.googlepages.com/

True trophy carpet pythons command a value WELL above $125. Granted some trophies are jags and intergrades, but they aren't combo morphs. I think albino or zebra or any other morph other than jag is completely unnecessary and in fact unwanted (for my preferences at least) for animals of the quality at the above website.

I don't know what a DJJ sib from a clutch laid by Gamma has sold for, but whatever price was paid was not enough.. lol

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http://www.ukpythons.com/en/available-offspring.asp

Zebras - 4500 euros = 6,600 dollars and they don't even tell you how much for het albinos

http://www.sobekserpents.com/content...ategory/17/37/

2600 for a pair of 66% hets

http://www.moreliapythons.com/forums...ad.php?t=25027

granite 6000

the main point i was trying to make is that they all cost the same to raise. it doesn't cost anymore to raise a true trophy carpet, from my carpets, to low end 50 dollar carpets, to the stuff i posted above. it simple math, your going to have alot bigger payout if you go with the morphs, even after taking into account the drop in price after 3 or so years.

I have yet to see any "astronomical priced" non-morphs as stated b4.

and just because you don't want them personally doesn't change the fact that these animals are commanding those prices. I'm not saying their not nice animals, and im hoping my boy will develope to look something close to that. personally i think jag crosses would be amazing with the animals you posted :). but if your in it for the money, morphs the way to go, zebra imo being the best being co-dom and chance of hitting a super zebra.

but also if you in it for the money, im sure there other things with better payout vs risk/ time invested.

I know a very big breeder, he breeds a lot of things and he actually makes more money off 20 to 40 dollar corn snakes/rat/king and milk snakes. It's about quantity, not quality with most people. If someone can buy 20 corns for 15 dollars each and sell them for 25 later they will over one or two jags and make little profit margin. There is a market for nice animals, but the breeder has to know he can unload them. If he keeps them a year he loses more money than intended on feed and cage space.

If I had a sweet, trophy adult proven jungle, you wouldnt find her for sale, your not going to see adult nice normals for sale, your looking for stuff thats not advertised. Would you to sell an adult female pied proven breeder?

Yes you can buy 125$ jungles, but you always get what you pay for. nice adult normals are not for sale, there are also certain polygenic traits that are expensive as well and there not true mutations.

Co-dom mutations will never command the same money for the same period of time as any recessive. The carpet python market will go up, Normals will demand more money once there more popular, you have to understand the carpet community is relatively small, and you can only sell the same snakes to the same people before the people have everybodys stock, these mutations are the driving force behind popularity, however the Wild type pure stuff will hold its value and go up as more of these designer crosses are created.