hets and aggression poll

has anyone out there noticed their hets being more aggressive than the normals they have. I have two het albinos a het pied and 3 het clowns all of which are more aggressive than the normals that I have. the het clowns especially so.
my thought is that maybe hets for certain traits tend to be more aggressive and that could possibly be the reason why so many ball python morphs exist. If the hets are more aggressive then maybe they are more aggressive feeders, and breeders as well. that would give hets an advantage over a normal ball python and thus lead to more morphs in the wild. anyway just kinda throwing this out there and thought I would see what you guys thought.

Not sure about the Hets but I've talked with a local guy who says his Pinstripes are more aggressive and I've read that Red Axanthics are also.

oops I just realized I put this in the wrong place...could a mod move this to BP advanced husbandry???

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Originally Posted by Shadrach

Not sure about the Hets but I've talked with a local guy who says his Pinstripes are more aggressive and I've read that Red Axanthics are also.

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Its funny you say that, My '07 male pinstripe is the nicest snake i have ever owned.

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Originally Posted by Shadrach

Not sure about the Hets but I've talked with a local guy who says his Pinstripes are more aggressive and I've read that Red Axanthics are also.

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well i actually own a pinstripe that is also het..

she is a sweetheart, really docile!

i also handled a pinstrip at house of scales and he was a really nice snake too.

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Originally Posted by wuldier

well i actually own a pinstripe that is also het..

she is a sweetheart, really docile!

i also handled a pinstripe at house of scales and he was a really nice snake too.

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What is your pinstripe het. for if you don't mind me asking?

I have a double Het that is kinda nasty but not to me...sometimes i try to feed him and he gets mad and strikes at the rat but dose not eat it...has not bit me yet....

I don't think any one morph or het. is any more aggressive that another. I have some pretty crazy normal females and one that are very sweet. My most aggressive is my male black pastel, but that doesn't mean all black pastels are aggressive

Each snake is inclined to its own personality.

Be it het or not.

I find that it really depends on the animal itself.

My worst animal is a "Normal"

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Originally Posted by ARpythons

I have two het albinos a het pied and 3 het clowns all of which are more aggressive than the normals that I have. the het clowns especially so.

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OMG maybe my poss het clown really is a het!!! :banana: :rofl: He's nasty! Once you get him out of his tub he's fine, but my land does he have a bad temper. There isn't a day that goes by that he's not hissing at me. He's never bit me, but he's struck at me plenty of times!!!

He's my only het, and my only ill-natured BP so I voted yes :P

I have a 100% het albino female that is really sweet, and a 100% albino male that used to be really nasty. Now he has calmed down to just a hisser....

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Originally Posted by LadyOhh

Each snake is inclined to its own personality.

Be it het or not.

I find that it really depends on the animal itself.

My worst animal is a "Normal"

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Agreed ! I have a normal that just does not like to be messed with at all !

Worst animals I've had are normals, but I did have a pastel hatchling last year that was a real trip.
I can't say any of my hets have shown signs of being overly aggressive. Sometimes a little flighty or fussy, but that's not consistant either. I have orange ghost, albino, and pied hets now, and my grown het animals are all handleable.

I have a beautiful little albino hatchling that bit me while I was arranging her for photos. That stood out in my mind, because they so rarely bite the hand that is holding them...lol.

It could be possible , did anyone catch the special on the tiger's who are becoming more aggressive:taz: from having too small a gene pool to mate from .

Hey,

Wouldn't you always be upset if you had A Rods genes and looked like Tom Arnold?

Bill

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Originally Posted by Shadrach

Not sure about the Hets but I've talked with a local guy who says his Pinstripes are more aggressive and I've read that Red Axanthics are also.

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My big boy pin is great now( but he is a paradox). He use to hiss supa loud and rattle his tail which I thought could neva be done by a ball. My pastel though on the other hand does not like anything not even himself lol

I think their color or pattern has absolutely nothing to do with their personality. all snakes are individuals and some have a bad attitude some don't.

each snake has its own personality, its like taking a poll to see if people with blue eyes are more aggressive, i find its more how the snake was raised that determines if its aggressive or not.

Personality in animals is primarily genetic (this is true for humans as well... well for many things, not everything, and you can successfully fight against your genetics), so if someone notices a parent is aggressive and breeds it, then typically the offspring will be more likely to be so. Note that a LOT of genes have an effect on personality, so it isn't necessarily something that will always prove out.

Anyway, if someone's genetic stock is based on a couple of snakes and they are aggressive then that explains the likelihood of their snakes being aggressive, hence someone saying one morph is more aggressive than another, its because their experience is based on a limited genetic stock.

Oh and I dont mean to offend people by saying that you're like your parents, its entirely possible that you're not (we all know genetics here, we know about hets and homs and how they are passed on), but you are genetically predisposed to a certain brain chemistry and hormone activity (genetics entirely keys for proteins production), your response to your brain's actions is partially experienced based, so you can react in a different way to how your mind would tell you to.

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Originally Posted by Oxylepy

but you are genetically predisposed to a certain brain chemistry and hormone activity (genetics entirely keys for proteins production), your response to your brain's actions is partially experienced based, so you can react in a different way to how your mind would tell you to.

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i think that should read "your response to your brain's actions is mostly experienced based"

i think genetics plays very little roll in personality, mayb has an effect on instincts but eventually animals, humans included, start to learn and base behavior off of experiences.

Hi,

Actually that's almost the exact opposite of what they found during the experiments on the silver fox in a 50 year experiment in russia.

http://cbsu.tc.cornell.edu/ccgr/behaviour/Index.htm

http://www.brighthub.com/science/gen...les/46555.aspx

Intrestingly it also brought with it unexpected physical changes that we see in dogs such as shorter legs, differing coat patterns etc.

Quite a facinating study overall.


dr del

My 1.1 het clowns that I got last fall are both hissers. Neither has bit or struck at me, and they have gotten better with time, but neither are the nicest. And I just got a new het clown female today who is a bit nippy.

My normal female and my lesser male are super docile and fantastic.

So based on my limited anecdotal evidence... I voted yes.

I have het pieds, het clowns and het caramels. They are all no different than my other BPs. I was struck at by JKs little het pied once but he was just hungry :P

Only one of my BPs could be considered agressive and I believe she is just nervous all the time. My het clowns are very calm and relaxed compared to some of the other BPs that are not hets. I believe it just depends on each individual snake.

My 1.1 het albinos are my two nippiest snakes, but I also have 4 possible het albino females and they are really sweet snakes.

My 2 100% hets are also incredibly timid, and poor feeders, so their hissy attitudes and strikes are due to this (far as i can see).

Het clowns... sweet, but timid feeders.

4 het orange hypo females are all nippy, but because they have such strong feed responses. They are tracking me for two days after each feed. If I open a tub too fast they tend to come snapping out at me (I try to remember to peer in first and see who is poised in strike mode - but sometimes forget).

4 possible het orange hypos, all are sweet sweet sweet angels in snake suits.

So either I vote no. Or I accept that all my P-hets are just sweet normals. :P

Bruce

I only have 2 hets in my collection (100% albinos), and they aren't really aggressive... but the boy was a striker when he was young, and the girl has been dubbed "Miss Hissy-Pants" for her attitude. She never strikes, but will hiss & puff up a storm! So while I don't have much of a control group, I'll say my hets are generally less nice than my other snakes.

I have noticed no difference at all with my two het pieds and my het ghost. I think it all boils down to the individual snake.

I started a similar thread a short while back about mojaves and aggression. Both of mine want to tear my face off all the time, while other people say theirs are tame as can be. On a side note...I was tagged by a super mojave at the show this weekend! : )

Just my thoughts,

I dont really have a lot of XP with hets, yet. But I tend to agree that aggro can be caused by both, genetic and enviromental influances. Just like any other animal. You can breed aggro into or out of any animal. Look at fighting dogs, and bucking horses, which are selectivly breed to do their job. But that being said you could also lock up and abuse "sweet" dog and create a mean dog. With some of the gene pools being so small it is quite possible that some morphs may have genetic predisposition to be aggresive.

I got two het albinos on September 19 I got my female from a big breeder and to this day she has never stopped trying to bite the heck out of me. But on the other side I got my male from a small breeder that claims to hold them all and he is so nice and melo I can't believe I got them the same day.
Ps. I just finished cleaning out her tub she struck at me like 30+ times.:taz:

My het pied us one of my most chill snakes. My possible het pied isn't noticeably different from any of the others. These are my only hets so far, not including the co-doms.

Attack of the zombie thread, lol.

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Originally Posted by Darkbird

Attack of the zombie thread, lol.

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Haha you are right! Some how it came up on my tapatalk as a new thread, I didn't bother looking at dates.

My Het Red eats rats mice fingers arms snaps at everything

Hahahaha.... seriously??? How can this be a serious question....

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Originally Posted by Evildrdee

My Het Red eats rats mice fingers arms snaps at everything

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....all I'm gonna say is... that if you own a "het red" and don't know it's not really a "het", then you should probably pay more attention.