Re: How often should a 4mnth Bp defecate if fed 1 fuzzie mouse a week?
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JoshJP7
Hes been a memeber for a yr and only made 18 posts what else are we supposed to think?
I didn't think that. Who's we?
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JoshJP7
Did I say bc hes only made 18 posts he must not know anything about snakes? No that was simply saysing that he could be a 14 yr old messing around on the computer... happens all the time.
Sounded like you were to me. I didn't see what you were simply saying because you didn't simply say it. You implied it.
Regardless, to each their own. Seems to me that you like the idea of housing BP's in large rubbermaids. If it works for you then great.
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JoshJP7
Dont believe everything people tell you... All 11 of my snakes are in tubs "too big for snakes" according to a lot of people on this site and I have zero problems. As long as you have 2 hides a water dish and the right temps/humidity youll be fine. Dont you think atleast one of my 11 snakes would be "stressed out" if that statment were true? Temps and humidity and snug hides are most important... The only reason I use such big tubs are bc i provide something for them to climb on which means my tubs need to be taller... check out my pics... the size comparison is no different that the pics recently posted. Theres no proof that babies do "better" in smaller tubs.
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JoshJP7
Naw your def right... a ball shouldnt be fed anything more than a medium rat... and even that is larger than most people choose to feed but itsnt toooooo unreasonable... a rabbit is probably the same as like 3 jumbo XXL rats.
So IMO before you make concrete statements as these. You should understand that like you, people are able to raise these animals differently based on their own personal experience. As with what others have said in the past "there is no ONE way to raise these animal."
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JoshJP7
I guess next time I need to research 2 hrs to point out the obvious?
What are you trying to point out?
Re: How often should a 4mnth Bp defecate if fed 1 fuzzie mouse a week?
Gib(Chris) may be a "well known member to the community" but Ive been here for 5 months and never seen his name posted before, never read anything until this. How many newbies have joined since the same time I did?... they as well have no clue who he is... If he had a profile... some pics... a website... a name on his signature... SOMETHING.... atleast then Id have something to "research" but all I and other posters have are GIB and his date of birth... Unfortunately I didnt go to crime school so I guess ill just take the info thats available to me... how long hes been here and how many posts hes made. It may not be a good indicator of someones knowledge but its all thats available.
In the end I of all people could care less what he feed his snake. I know what its like to stray from the norm and take heat for it... As everyones now pointed out ... theres more than 1 way than to care for animals and this is just another example.
Re: How often should a 4mnth Bp defecate if fed 1 fuzzie mouse a week?
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littleindiangirl
Well, I decided to put some credence into your position Gib, and I have read around a few different sites. I also have some books by well known authors and herptoculturists. Unfortunately, none of them back up that feeding 1-2 large rats every 7 days is recommended. VPI, NERD, Vosjoli, and others all say that BP's can eat 2-3 mice as adults. I have seen your picture of the female, and from the laying of the scales, you can very clearly see her skin inbetween them. This is usually a good indicator that she is too fat.
If you were to feed 1-2 large rats every few weeks, I could better agree with your position. I hope that most people will err on the side of caution, and avoid overfeeding our captive animals. Primarily based on the very experienced words of Dave and Tracy Barker. I would rather follow their guidance than yours, since theirs also reflects common sense.
agreed!:gj:
Re: How often should a 4mnth Bp defecate if fed 1 fuzzie mouse a week?
Wow, I didn't think that topic would go so far. I red every single post here and the important thing is that I have learned a lot about BPS from your experiences for which I Thank You All.
p.s the snake pooped the other day. I'm working on switching all my snakes to rats.
Re: How often should a 4mnth Bp defecate if fed 1 fuzzie mouse a week?
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JoshJP7
most well know breeders have a website of some sort where they sell their snakes...
Did Ed Clark have a website when you decided to purchase from him? How about BHB? They JUST got a website, but they are well known. How about Michael Jolliff - you've heard of him? No website. Amir Soleyman (I know I just crucified his last name) - no website. Ian G - no website. There are far more well known breeders out there that don't NEED a website.
Re: How often should a 4mnth Bp defecate if fed 1 fuzzie mouse a week?
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BT41042
I remember why I was never a big forum poster...Good luck - See you guys around...
BT
BT, please don't let this keep you from participating here. :(
Re: How often should a 4mnth Bp defecate if fed 1 fuzzie mouse a week?
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JoshJP7
In the end I of all people could care less what he feed his snake. I know what its like to stray from the norm and take heat for it... As everyones now pointed out ... theres more than 1 way than to care for animals and this is just another example.
So then why did you make a big stink about his credibility if you could care less?
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The OP got his information so to me this thread is dead... I've made the points I had to made... If you still do not see where I'm coming from and would like further clarification send me a PM and id be glad to explain myself.
Re: How often should a 4mnth Bp defecate if fed 1 fuzzie mouse a week?
Sorry, but my mouse-eating breeders gained their weight back plus some incredibly quickly. I had 2 2000g+ girls lay 6 and 7 eggs respectively, in late May to early June. Babies hatched late July, early August. One female is already breeding again, the other female is going to a friend of mine.
So yeah.. Rats or Mice, whichever is more convenient for you and whatever the snakes readily eat, is what you should feed. They both do the job just fine.
Re: How often should a 4mnth Bp defecate if fed 1 fuzzie mouse a week?
The staff recently received a PM from a member that was concerned about another thread. And part of that PM included the words, "I'm not sure I like the direction that BPnet is taking".... which leaves the whole staff sort of scratching their heads and going, "What the heck is that supposed to mean?" As the site grows...it WILL change. It's inevitable. The best we can do is to try and guide and direct these changes so that the core mission of our community (to educate and support those new to the hobby) continues to be met.
To me...this thread is indicative of the fact that the direction of the site IS changing somewhat. And I don't mean socially speaking....but I mean in the way that we educate our new members. In the past...when our core group was much smaller and consisted of only a handful of truly experienced folks....we were able to keep our advice relatively consistent and along the same track with each other. We broke things down to the most basic and simplest of methods that were proven to work. This worked well for our site because then the "newbies" felt like they had a trustworthy source of information and didn't have to constantly try and guess which answers were right.
As we grow...we bring in more and more people who don't do it "our way"...but their ways are still just as valid. The trouble with this is...how is someone totally new to the art of keeping snakes supposed to figure out which method will work for them? And THAT is why some of our members seem a bit militant about defending the advice we give out. It's not that we are critical of the way others choose to keep their snakes...it's because we have tried for so long to keep things as simple as possible for the beginner.
This is a sort of "growing pain" we have to go through...this transition of being able to support a single simple method to teach beginners....to being able to accept the expression of other methods. We do NOT need to argue about it. Doing so only adds to the confusion of the beginner and may very well cause them to look elsewhere for advice.
Try this...when you find yourself facing advice you personally would not give. DON'T address the person giving the advice. Instead, address the person seeking the advice. And don't tell them who to listen to or not listen to....just simply explain your own method of feeding or housing or whatever and WHY you do it the way you do. Rather than trying to force your personal thoughts to the top of the argument-heap....allow the advice-seeker to make their own decision after carefully weighing what each person has to say. If they are going to be successful at keeping snakes (or any animal, for that matter)...they'll need to learn to do that, anyhow.
Sorry so long winded...y'all know how I can get sometimes... :oops:
