this is beautiful i wantted to share

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Originally Posted by Mike41793

Its really disgusting. I think the governor and state police are handling everything really well though.

Yea bc that would work. :rolleyes:
Why didnt any of draculas friends sit with him at lunch?

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Because he was sleeping in his coffin


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Originally Posted by Solarsoldier001

Because he was sleeping in his coffin


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No, bc he's a pain in the neck!

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Originally Posted by Mike41793

No, bc he's a pain in the neck!

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I believe I :)


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Originally Posted by Solarsoldier001

I believe I :)


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YOU GET IT BC DRACULA CHOMPS ON YO NECK LIKE OMNOMNOM!

Hahahaha.

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YOU GET IT BC DRACULA CHOMPS ON YO NECK LIKE OMNOMNOM!

Hahahaha.

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Lol yes I do


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Originally Posted by creepin

life only comes from other living things. it does not generate itself (from everything we've observed). we haven't been able to recreate "spontaneous" generation, yet it must have happened on its own randomly (if you believe a god didn't intervene). therefore, somewhere down the line, whether you believe in a god or not, something contradicted biological function.

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Right, spontaneous generation has been proven to not exist, at least in the context that was originally proposed.

Second law of thermodynamics would propose that the universe at least that non organic materiel always existed.

Now how we get from non organic to organic I would guess has something to do with the right ingredients. The theory or model of thought that I'd subscribed to is that inorganic materiel needs to meet certain outside variables (heat, humidity, air mixture, etc) and that overtime this turns inorganic into single celled organic life. My main evidence I'd use to support this is the second law of thermodynamics and the fact that all life is simply a construction of molecules, all of which are found outside organic life as well as in organic life. So yeah, I'd imagine that there is some combination or series of different combinations which allows life to begin to reproduce. An interesting read would be the information that we know of previous extinction events on earth and how life tried several times to flourish but was wiped out. A lot of the life that had existed had very different variables that they required to live such as the air mixture.

Again, this is mostly theory from an amateur biologist.

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Originally Posted by wolfy-hound

I'm thinking that the definitions of agnostic and atheist are a bit blurry in some cases.

To me an agnostic "I don't know that any gods exist"
To me a atheist "No gods exist"

Because that's what they believe, neither usually state it as facts. I could say that I believe a invisible unicorn exists, and you can't prove it doesn't exist. So I can believe in it all I like. If I start insisting that you have to put up decorations, call off events or work or start obeying my invisible unicorn's decrees regarding blue cupcakes being ILLEGAL and IMMORAL, then it starts infringing on that whole "Freedom of Religion" thing.

And I love debating the nuances and aspects of all of it. I have discussions I'd like to have with Christian believers, but most seem to wig out and fall back to "YOU HAVE NO FAITH" as soon as I try.

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Another thing too is that the burden of proof is on the person claiming something from which there is no empirical evidence. In and of itself the burden of proof does not disprove the existence of a deity but it does get it off the atheists shoulders of having to disprove a claim posited by a theist.

So like in your unicorn example. It is not up to me to disprove that your invisible unicorn exists, it is up to you to prove to me that it does exist.

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Originally Posted by interloc

The original ignorance comment was made toward believers saying we were ignorant. Not directed towards the atheists. That word would be stubborn or close minded.


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On the contrary, being an atheist means that at some point in life, the atheist either 1) was introduced to religious beliefes and made an educated choice not to believe or 2) stopped and looked at what they had been taught since birth and questioned it, turning to atheism when their questions couldn't be answered. By definition they would have an open mind, not a closed one.

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Originally Posted by interloc

At its simplest form its like this. On one hand if you believe, you will spend eternity in the best place you can think of with the best people and things you can think of, or I turn to worm food. It's a no brainer for me anyways.


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Just as ones sexual orientation is not a choice, neither is belief in a higher power. Do you wake up every day and chose to believe in god in the face of complete lack of evidence? I don't believe that you do, however I could be wrong. For me and for everyone that I have talked to on the subject, believeing is not a choice, it is just how one feels. You BELIEVE in god. In the same vein, you feel that your snakes are beautiful, while someone that doesn't like snakes would not. I think my snakes are beautiful and I do not believe that there is a god, a higher power or anything supernatural in this universe. This is not a choice, it is just how I feel after interpreting all available evidence. Either way, if there is a god and you arrival at some gate and meet a gatekeeper after you die, would that god not appreciate honest questioning while living a good life more than someone saying "I believe" everyday, simply because they don't want to accept the fact that they will become maggot food when they die and want there to be something more?

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Originally Posted by interloc

Lol you cannot say that agnosticism is a position based on knowledge. You cannot "know" either way. We can BELIEVE in God or NOT BELIEVE in God (or any gods for that matter). You can't say "I know God doesn't exist" in the same way a believer can't say "I know God exists". There is information both for or against God. Therefor you must have an opinion or BELIEF.


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Please, share with me the information that is "for god," as you put it.



All of that aside, if a christian can make a post that celebrates what they BELIEVE, then I am free to make a post celebrating what I believe. I didn't say not to post anything like that, I didn't make any personal attacks, I just voiced my opinion. This is an open forum, I didn't disrespect anyone, I stated what I feel that religion is, and given that I was a believer for the first 20 some-odd years of my life I think that I am qualified to say what it is to me (i.e. my own opinion). If you don't agree with me, then feel free to let me know, but personal attacks? Nice. I'll let the family and friends of the 5 men that we lost know that you don't think that their loved ones are rotting in the ground. Also, if you can find one sentence where I ever proclaimed myself to be a war hero I will give you every penny that I make for the rest of my life.

Happy holidays everyone, whether the ones that you celebrate be religious or secular in nature. I hope that you all have the opportunity to be with family, friends and loved ones and that all that you wish to happen to/for you happens!

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It's a long read but its worth it.


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