Re: Can you house a male with afemale?
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Originally Posted by
keelenswife217
its dont that i dont want to house them separatly its that i cant. and its not that i dont want to take the advice because its good advice, but all i asked was it okay to keep them together. period.
NO!
It is not ok
It is not ok under any circumstances
It is not ok if you ask enough times in enough forums.
It is not ok....
It is not ok
It is not ok
You should give up your second snake.
If you can not live on your own and make your won rules don't you think you should be worried about other things?
Once again it is not ok.
It is not ok...
I think i said in enough but jsut in case you missed it....
It is not ok.
Re: Can you house a male with afemale?
Please give your snakes up for adoption... Please :(
Re: Can you house a male with afemale?
You are being very selfish. Please return the snake to the store or find someone who can care for it until you can provide him with what he needs.
Re: Can you house a male with afemale?
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Originally Posted by
keelenswife217
Hey. We bought a male ball today and put him in with our female.. i dont want lil babies.. what can i do? i havent got another tank to put him in and i really dont want to take him back. is there anyway to keep them from breeding?
No offense but if you dont have the room or setup for another snake you shouldnt have another snake.
Re: Can you house a male with afemale?
Let’s see if I can resume the situation
You did not do any research prior to purchasing yours animals or did very little
You were not prepared for a new animal
You do not quarantine
Your vet thinks RI cannot be passed on to other snakes
You are attributing human emotions to snakes
You think you will be able to prevent your female from being gravid.
You do not listen to advice from people who have experience (Pet stores do not count)
Did I miss anything?
Now to the question should they be house together the answer is NO.
BP are not social they do not have friends, they will dominate one another leading to stress and feeding issues etc etc etc
BP do not benefit from being house together, YOU do, you have already jeopardized the health of your snake by bringing a new animal without any quarantining it, so how about trying to do the right thing now? (Not what YOU feel they would like but what THEY need)
Also I would also recommend you to change vet.
Re: Can you house a male with afemale?
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Originally Posted by
keelenswife217
Hey. We bought a male ball today and put him in with our female.. i dont want lil babies.. what can i do? i havent got another tank to put him in and i really dont want to take him back. is there anyway to keep them from breeding?
Let me try to answer your question:
there is nothing you can do to stop them from breeding if they have the mind to do it. Females do not have to be cooled to breed.
ball pythons are solitary creatures. they do not crave friendship or companionship. People often anthropomorphize their pets.
housing two balls together, with one unquarentened, is extremely irresponsible. they can transfer diseases between eachother, and when one gets sick you will have to treat both. if one has weird or runny stool you will have to play a guessing game as to who is having the problem, or if you're a responsible pet owner you will have to treat both and that means 2x the vet bills, same thing with any regurgitations.
a note on pet stores: they RARELY do anything correctly. they feel that a "one size fits all" for snake keeping is appropriate and should be used. This has been proven wrong. Please, the breeders and keepers on this website for the most part have a much better understanding of the needs of these animals than some uneducated pet store clerk.
Males can breed extremely young (400 grams is not unheard of). And your female is obviously at breeding size. If you arent prepared for eggs and the babies that may follow, you should really separate them. Females can become egg-bound and that can kill them or requires an experienced vet to take care of and is a surgical procedure. Males can experience injuries to their genital areas during breeding that may take vet visits and antibiotics to take care of.
If you aren't prepared to do what is right for the animals, perhaps you should rehome one of them. I know you stated that you "fell in love" with one of them, but it is a much better decision to make the RIGHT decision for the animal even if it means that you might not be happy.
Domination in snakes is shown as them appearing to cuddle. Snakes do not cuddle. Your larger female is bound to dominate the smaller male, this will stress him out. Stressed snakes get sick easier.
You will have to separate them to feed them.
Cannibalism is possible and has been documented in ball pythons.
Solutions:
you really should quarantine. See if a friend can watch the snake while it is in quarantine away from your current snake.
divide your current enclosure to house two snakes. Keep in mind you may have to buy a bigger enclosure to give them both enough room.
give the new snake back. If you cant come up with a feasible solution to this problem to keep both snakes, then it is detrimental to their health to keep them both like that.
I hope this helped. People get kinda uppity on these forums because they care so much about these animals. Housing two un quarantined animals together for no reason other than the OWNERS benefit is not a good idea. A lot of keepers find this out the hard way, we are trying to help you do waht is best for you and your animals and keep them healthy.
Please look past that and do waht is best for your animals.
Re: Can you house a male with afemale?
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Originally Posted by
Deborah
Let’s see if I can resume the situation
You did not do any research prior to purchasing yours animals or did very little
You were not prepared for a new animal
You do not quarantine
Your vet thinks RI cannot be passed on to other snakes
You are attributing human emotions to snakes
You think you will be able to prevent your female from being gravid.
You do not listen to advice from people who have experience (Pet stores do not count)
Did I miss anything?
Now to the question should they be house together the answer is NO.
BP are not social they do not have friends, they will dominate one another leading to stress and feeding issues etc etc etc
BP do not benefit from being house together, YOU do, you have already jeopardized the health of your snake by bringing a new animal without any quarantining it, so how about trying to do the right thing now? (Not what YOU feel they would like but what THEY need)
Also I would also recommend you to change vet.
Do you get it yet...
It is not ok....
Do we need to recap?
Mike
Re: Can you house a male with afemale?
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Originally Posted by
keelenswife217
and the guy we got him from said it would be safe to put themtogether
:weirdface Boggles the mind.
Re: Can you house a male with afemale?
Well I'l be the one to say it.
The guy you bought him from is an IDIOT
Re: Can you house a male with afemale?
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Originally Posted by
keelenswife217
you all said to seperate them but i have been to several pet places and they are housed together
Pet stores are TEMPORARY housing. My local pet store has them on sand, they are all skin and bones, horrible sheds, and they told me that I'd sterilize them if I sexed them. Pet stores are the LAST place to get advice from. They are there to move product, period.
You came to a forum with experienced keepers and asked if you could permanently house a male and female together. Can you? Yes - you can. And you can have all sorts of issues with sick and stressed snakes as a result.
SHOULD you? Absolutely not.
Why come and ask the question, and then proceed to argue with everyone who has told you no?
Shouldn't these questions have been asked BEFORE you got the second snake?
