prekilling your snake's prey by yourself?

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Originally Posted by littleindiangirl

Protein is not only available in meat or fish products. Dark green leaves provide high sources of protein, also soy products and many other vegetarian sources. Chances are she intakes more protein in a day then most Americans just because of what she would eat on a daily basis is very healthy and high in many minerals, protein and nutrients.

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Originally Posted by blackcrystal22

What Connie said.

I am not vegan. I do eat eggs, not very much though. I never liked milk, but do enjoy cheese.
No, people who eat fish are not a vegetarian. If you eat fish you are a pescatarian, which in my opinion, doesn't mean a ton to me, but it is an often big step for people trying to become vegetarians or vegans.

Dark vegetables are fantastic. When I tell people I dislike lettuce, their jaws drop and say 'how can you be a vegetarian and not like lettuce?'
I dislike iceberg lettuce which is low in nutrients and is basically water, it shouldn't be the part of the meal that is 'vegetable healthy' which it often is in American families. I however, love dark leaves such as spinach in a vinaigrette salad. MUCH healthier.
I'm still working on amino acid intake with supplements, however, I do believe there are other methods of getting amino acids, and I have been looking them up.

We are way off topic. Lets stop talking about this please.

Edit: If you like, you may read more here.
http://www.vegsoc.org/info/protein.html#requ

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sorry for getting off topic. I am a personal trainer and big into nutrition for fitness.
back to gassing rodents.

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Originally Posted by mainbutter

anywhere that has basements should have CO2 detectors, people do get killed by it. Furnaces are the usual cause for the creation of CO2.

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Sorry Butter but furnaces do not produce CO2. They can sometimes leak CO which is carbon monoxide. People get their gases mixed up.

Starmom,

I would like to give you my "worthless" two cents and tell you that you need to understand it was just my point of view. Thanks for being so mature about this....this is a never ending discussion people. Kind like evolution/creation story. Happy debating

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Originally Posted by Basketball303

Starmom,

I would like to give you my "worthless" two cents and tell you that you need to understand it was just my point of view. Thanks for being so mature about this....this is a never ending discussion people. Kind like evolution/creation story. Happy debating

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Maturity is what you were lacking in your post. Read, really read, my responses and try to learn and grow a little bit from them. That's all any of us can do for each other.

I encourage you to read other members' responses. And then read some literature on this issue. I think your knowledge base might be a little lacking in this subject area for you to have such an inflexible opinion at this time :)

Anyone who has changed their mind about how they will dispatch rodents based on the discussion in this thread please report in. I'm interested to see how inflexible other peoples opinions are on this sensitive subject. I would guess almost everyone has a hardened opinion that would be nearly impossible to change.

I have read the literature on this, extensively...I guess I am just a person who thinks animals are animals, no souls, just trained responses throughout time. I will admit I am new to herping and I do appreciate all and every opinion on this sensitive matter. I guess what I was just looking for what a general acceptance on my method of stunning and then feeding because I do not have the money or enough snakes to buy a large quanitity of frozen mice/rats. My methods work best for me and I have had no problems with my snake so far. So simplechamp I guess my answer to your question would be that no my mind hasn't changed because of this thread, i believe it might change with the more snakes I get.

i don't want a chunk of dry ice finding it's way into one of the hands of my kids, so that's a no-go. i also don't wanna beat the hell out of a rat. i think i'll just try to feed a smaller prey item and find a way to hold it down until the snake has attacked it.

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Originally Posted by python baller

i don't want a chunk of dry ice finding it's way into one of the hands of my kids, so that's a no-go. i also don't wanna beat the hell out of a rat. i think i'll just try to feed a smaller prey item and find a way to hold it down until the snake has attacked it.

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Here's the good news - you don't have to use dry ice. Here's another alternative for making a CO2 chamber. Again - this states that CO2 is recognized as a HUMANE method of pre-killing your prey.

I personally will never support bashing or stunning of prey. I don't care if someone doesn't have feelings for the prey - it's cruel and not necessary when f/t is available to purchase and a CO2 chamber is so easy to make.

I feed live, and I've never stunned a prey item.

http://www.thereddragonsden.com/co2.htm

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Originally Posted by giaach

Sorry Butter but furnaces do not produce CO2. They can sometimes leak CO which is carbon monoxide. People get their gases mixed up.

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Not to drag this out but you are wrong.

http://www.inspect-ny.com/hazmat/CO2gashaz.htm

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How might CO2 accumulate at a dangerous level in a residential property?

Carbon dioxide, CO2, from a small leak is unlikely to be dangerous, as it can be expected to be diluted with fresh air mixing in a building. But there can be exceptions in which carbon dioxide may accumulate and reach higher, even dangerous concentrations indoors.

* Flue gas spillage: in an enclosed gas-fired boiler room with a deficient chimney draft can produce high levels of CO2. In a case in which there is sufficient combustion air, say from a direct air duct to the gas burner, the system may not be producing more dangerous carbon monoxide (CO), but the heating system may nonetheless spilling flue gases with a high level of CO2 into the room from a defective chimney. Since CO2 being more dense than air it may accumulate in an enclosed basement, crawl space, or boiler room. Alternatively, because the CO2 in this case is a heating system exhaust, it may be warmer than surrounding air and it may rise upwards in the building into the living space. For this reason when we measure for the presence of flue gases, even if the gas is one which is "supposed to be" heavier than air, we may measure both high and low in the test area.
* Soil sources of high carbon dioxide in buildings: NIOSH reports on an investigation of complaints by homeowners of blurred vision, breathlessness, and "episodic mild confusion" caused by exposure to from elevated carbon dioxide levels in a finished basement and an adjacent crawlspace. West Virginia Department of Environmental Protection detected carbon dioxide levels up to 9.5 percent in the basement and CO2levels up to 11 percent in the crawlspace grave, with 12 percent in the basement floor drain (suggesting a soil source of CO2 in a home in West Virginia home, according to a NIOSH report. CO2 levels in the soil surrounding the home were measured at levels up to 8 percent. The probable source of the high CO2 levels in the soils under and around this home

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Originally Posted by Basketball303

I have read the literature on this, extensively...I guess I am just a person who thinks animals are animals, no souls, just trained responses throughout time....

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Humans are animals also.... ;)