If it's ok to...

I dont have all day to read a book on here, i respond to the short and sweet posts. Granted the wordy people make good points, i would rather not write a novel trying to reply.

Im not pushing buttons by trying to be clever. How come if people acknowledge a good point they always label you as a troll on the internet?

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Originally Posted by WingedWolfPsion

Extremes can be BAD for the animal.

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And so my question is. If people know that extremes can occur out of no where, why breed them at all.

DOUBLE STANDARD much?

We breed spiders for our own personal reasons. I have two females, my oldest had a spin when I checked her at the show, I have never seen it since. My smallest I haven't noticed any yet. I realize they all have it, but we all can't be perfect.

I think a slight wobbler is worth the beautiful combos they make. From my understanding, they don't pass the wobble into the combos. Right?

You haven't told us your views on the subject yet. Do you think it's 'ethical' to breed spiders?

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Originally Posted by stratus_020202

You haven't told us your views on the subject yet. Do you think it's 'ethical' to breed spiders?

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I posted this thread to help me form a REAL opinion for myself, not to call people out on their own.

Turns out all i get for trying to think outside the box is a bunch of bashing and misunderstandings. I post one thing and people go on the defense, perhaps because they see an issue with a custom that until now has not been looked at from a certain angle.

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Originally Posted by TheReptileEnthusiast

Purebred dogs can have a lot of health problems.

•Crippling bone and joint disorders
•Eye diseases that cause reduced sight or total blindness
•Heart diseases that drastically shorten a dog's life
•Hormonal and endocrine system diseases like hypothyroidism and diabetes
•Seizure disorders such as epilepsy
•Skin diseases that cause frantic itching
•Digestive disorders that cause chronic diarrhea and vomiting
•Kidney and liver diseases
•Blood-clotting diseases
•Cancer -- the number-one killer of many, many breeds

Over 300 genetic health problems occur in dogs -- all kinds of dogs, purebred, crossbred, and mixed -- but the risk of these health problems occurring in a purebred dog is higher than in a crossbreed or mixed breed.

Humans have been selectively breeding animals to produce certain traits or visual looks for millenia, in spite of the genetic probems that result from breeding closely related animals.

It is estimated that 50% of German shepards will develop hip displasia, but the breed has many redeeming qualities that make them useful to humans, and few would argue that German shepards don't enjoy thier lives. Spiders have a wobble, but they eat, breed, shed, and don't seem to suffer in any way.

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Well to tie this in to the original post....breeding a German Shepherd who is known to carry the gene for Hip Displaysia is considered unethical.

It is something that "back yard" breeders do all the time and one of the reasons you would be encouraged to buy only from a reputable breeder and not a puppy mill.

A reputable breeder will go a long way to make sure his stock doesnt carry the gene's for the defact, including having his dogs x-rayed and certified to not have the disease.

Also there is the question...how many of the genetic pure bred dog diseases were caused by breeders doing things they shouldnt have been doing, like inbreeding and breeding animals with known defects?

To be humane you have a responsibility to the animal. You would not want to intentionally pass along traits that in the end could harm the animals quality of life.

Not saying the wobble does this in a Spider. But if it did then it is equiv to hip displasia in dogs and would be unethical to breed an animal who had it.

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Originally Posted by mozbink

Also there is the question...how many of the genetic pure bred dog diseases were caused by breeders doing things they shouldnt have been doing, like inbreeding and breeding animals with known defects?

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A thread related post that provokes thought. :gj:

These are reptiles though, not mammals. I thought it was proven inbreeding with reptiles didn't carry the harsh effects as it does with mammals? Considering it has been done so many times. We should try and stray from comparing to mammals, there are just too many differences.

True that.

Also, is it the breeders responsibility to notify the buyer of the severity of the wobble in the animal they are selling?

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Originally Posted by SK_Exotics

I posted this thread to help me form a REAL opinion for myself, not to call people out on their own.

Turns out all i get for trying to think outside the box is a bunch of bashing and misunderstandings. I post one thing and people go on the defense, perhaps because they see an issue with a custom that until now has not been looked at from a certain angle.

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No one is bashing you. Goodness. People don't have a problem with your stance on the subject, they have a problem with how you're presenting it. Furthermore, to say you're trying to formulate an opinion on the matter (though it seems you had an unshakable opinion before you even asked your question), yet you're unwilling to read and respond to the most fleshed-out responses, makes no sense. If you care enough to continue arguing your case, than you should care enough to read people's responses. Otherwise, it seems there's no alternative than you're on here to 'troll.' Either take the time, or don't, and admit you don't care to really think about the other side of the argument. Either way, it's not fair to say people are bashing you simply for disagreeing with you, or pointing out the seemingly rough nature of your posts. I have not seen a single uncivil comment in this thread, and I think it's a copout to say people are bashing you.

Cheers,
-Matt