Who builds computers?

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Originally Posted by flameethrower

Heres a quick i5 build that includes a complete system that is hair more than the dell since its using better ram,motherboard,and cpu,power supply. Not to mention includes 22". The dell is using a older athlon ii am3 which is very slow and integrated gfx. And pcie gfx card will beat integrated.
you WILL NOT find a build like this for this price or cheaper for a prebuilt.

Last time i seen a i7 prebuilt from FX they wanted voer 1800 for it and they used really sub par parts.
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Right but DELL has a business to run, and most people honestly don't want to build their own computers or have to deal with more than 1 company of 1-2 components goes bad over the life of the computer.

Prebuilts has and will always costs more, thats just the way it is. It's like comparing Tap Water to Bottled water...

For the record: Athlon X2's are not slow, they're just not as fast as i5's.

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Originally Posted by AaronP

Right but DELL has a business to run, and most people honestly don't want to build their own computers or have to deal with more than 1 company of 1-2 components goes bad over the life of the computer.

Prebuilts has and will always costs more, thats just the way it is. It's like comparing Tap Water to Bottled water...

For the record: Athlon X2's are not slow, they're just not as fast as i5's.

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Athlon II Am3 Score very low on benchmarks especially in 3dmark scores. Their low end budget processors. I always use AMD for customers that need computer under 500 as amd is cheap. Intel has a more powerful platform/chip. And your going to pay for that as Intel is more expensive. I have AMD and Intel Computers here and prefer intel for power and AMD for music,videos,CAD.

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Originally Posted by Samuel

Sorry, failed attempt at posting a funny clip.

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Has no relevance to the thread at all. I can argue all day long as to why building your own is cheaper and better in long run.

Any prebuilts than need work done have to be done by the manufacture otherwise you void your warranty if you do it yourself. Never have i owned a prebuilt computer

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Originally Posted by flameethrower

Has no relevance to the thread at all. I can argue all day long as to why building your own is cheaper and better in long run.

Any prebuilts than need work done have to be done by the manufacture otherwise you void your warranty if you do it yourself. Never have i owned a prebuilt computer

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Originally Posted by flameethrower

Athlon II Am3 Score very low on benchmarks especially in 3dmark scores. Their low end budget processors. I always use AMD for customers that need computer under 500 as amd is cheap. Intel has a more powerful platform/chip. And your going to pay for that as Intel is more expensive. I have AMD and Intel Computers here and prefer intel for power and AMD for music,videos,CAD.

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But you're not a Multi-Billion dollar company. Not to mention DELL computers have infinite #s of coupons and discounts, little bit of googling could have you 20% or more on your car insur... next DELL Purchase.

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Originally Posted by flameethrower

Any prebuilts than need work done have to be done by the manufacture otherwise you void your warranty if you do it yourself. Never have i owned a prebuilt computer

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What Prebuilts have you worked on? :rolleyes: I can't speak for all the manufactures but most will send you the part that needs to be replaced if it's one that can easily be done. If it's a component that's a little more complicated, say a Power Supply or a Motherboard, you'll likely have to send it back.

Which is no different if you went to say your local computer guy and had them fix it, difference is in all likelihood the local person is going to charge you for installing it, unless they covered it with their own kind of warranty/guarantee/fair dust. In which case this entire argument becomes invalid because you're missing the point:

The people who buy Prebuilt computers do not want to build their own computer or tinker with it, they paid the extra $ for someone to do it for them and they're okay with that.

Is building a computer hard? That's relative. I'm an IT Professional, and a computer former Boutique Computer Industry vet, I can do it with my eyes closed and even go into greater detail about computer hardware than you can even begin to imagine. But that's what I do, it pays my bills, most people don't want to do that.

I'm the opposite with my Car. I only do minimal work on my car by myself, if it takes more than a hour or two to repair/replace then I take it to a shop/dealership to have them do it. They're professionals, they know way more than me, it's what they do I 'trust' them to do it right so I don't have to and I don't mind paying for that premium.

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Originally Posted by flameethrower

http://www.dell.com/us/en/home/deskt...46&cs=19&s=dhs

You show me on this site where you seen that Dell for 500 That included the 22" monitor. Those specs on the computers are horrible and cheap parts According to Dell its 729, and at 729 i can build a nice AMD or Intel Computer with name brand parts with monitor for that price. Replacing parts from Newegg is a total waste. Youd have to replace the Psu which is about 100+ for a good brand. You will have to replace the motherboard and ram. Those 3 things are the biggest money in a computer and can cost a lot just to swap it out. Save the hassle and build your own and not have these extra parts laying around as paper weights.

My reasoning about prebuilt is that they use sh*t parts that die very easily. I replace about 1-2 PSU and hard drives per week from customers computers and most are from Dell and HP. Some are even from New computers under year old who dont have warranty.


And building PCs it NOT a lot of work. Not sure where you got that but i have custom build 6 computers last week one of which being a custom 4 loop water cooling. Takes a computer builder on average 2 hrs per computer to put them together and test it. If i thought it was going to be a lot of work i would never offer that service to people. This is my main job i do around town.

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http://configure.us.dell.com/dellsto...ps_great_deals

I said 550. Just because you can't find the deals doesn't make me wrong. I think you are grossly exaggerating the failure rate of parts in pre-builts. If it takes you two hours to build a computer how long is it going to take a person who doesn't build computers all day. Not to mention picking out the parts which will take a lot more time for someone who doesn't do it every day. Lets say it takes an average person 2 hours to price out all the parts and order them. Then it takes another 2 hours to put it all together and another 2 hours to install the OS, drivers and programs. Thats about 6 hours. Lets say it takes 30 minutes to buy a pre-built and an hour and a half to install programs and get it working like you want. Thats 4 hours difference. If your take home pay is say 10 dollars an hour for sake of math thats an additional 40 bucks your computer costs not to mention the Operating System. Now if you are going to pirate your OS or use linux thats great for you but most people aren't so tack on another 100 for an oem copy of windows (If you are going to buy you should get retail so you can use that copy on another computer). Most people are never going to use a $189 processors to its potential. A $75 will do just fine. a little extra ram can be had cheap and a new harddrive for 110 bucks is a good call and then you use the stock one for backups.

I have no doubt you make a living doing this work but you do charge money right? I notice you didn't include that in the price of the computer you spec'ed out.

Heres a decent deal for a dell with 21.5" monitor for $429 plus shipping and tax.

http://configure.us.dell.com/dellsto...en&s=bsd&cs=04

In my home I have a bunch of computers

My PC (3 year old Gateway someone was tossing for a bad harddrive)
My Media Center (custom)
Girlfriends Laptop (Dell XPS She liked the product Red)
Xen Server Host (Dell Dimension)
NAS Server (custom)

I am speaking from experience. If you like building computers or have specific needs that most people don't then building your own is the way to go. But at the end of the day an old Gateway with an extra 50 bucks in ram and 75 in a new video card will cover the needs of most people. It won't play the cutting edge games with all the setting turned up but it will hit facebook, play WOW and do it all without taxing the processor.

So flameethrower if you are talking about pirating the OS or using linux then I agree that building your own is looking better. If your not then please include an OS in your price list. You also didn't include a keyboard or mouse. Your argument will most likely be that the keyboard and mouse suck and most people already have a keyboard and mouse. It comes down to this. Either you want all your stuff to look the same and should get a prebuilt, or you are a computer person and either have a use for another keyboard and mouse, know someone who could use a new one, or you will put all the replaced parts and the keyboard and mouse on craigs list or ebay.