Big snakes, small enclosures.

Personally, I think Brian should make a video addressing this thread (not directly, but show these new 8ft tubs and 10ft Monitor cage).

In my opinion, that would set this arguement straight.

Also, no matter whats happening at Brians facility, it likely will stay as is and this thread of massive hatred will be of absolutely no use. My point iss... can't we all agree to disagree. Being rude and quite frankly... ignorant is'nt getting anybody anywhere (typical, non-constructive arguement).

:)

Brian should not have to go out of his way to address a thread on a forum, it's not his responsibility in the least and I somehow don't think he has time to be bothered with stuff like this. I can only imagine how many rumors and threads on various forums probably cycle like this elsewhere! his animals are his business, and none of them look abused to me!

I CAN agree to disagree. I'm going to try to stay away from this thread. Its like running on a treadmill.

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Brian should not have to go out of his way to address a thread on a forum, it's not his responsibility in the least and I somehow don't think he has time to be bothered with stuff like this.

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Why shouldn't he? How come he shouldn't address the question? Because he's Brian Barczyk, one of the most respected people in this hobby/business? In threads with sales inquiries, if something goes wrong, everyone expects/demands the party in question to chime in and explain their side of the story. Not like he doesn't have time to take 2 minutes to address the question of where that Nile now. He posts his SnakeBytes videos on this forum and as one member said, he spends hours a day answering phone calls and emails.

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Brian should not have to go out of his way to address a thread on a forum, it's not his responsibility in the least and I somehow don't think he has time to be bothered with stuff like this. I can only imagine how many rumors and threads on various forums probably cycle like this elsewhere! his animals are his business, and none of them look abused to me!

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Why shouldn't he? How come he shouldn't address the
question? Because he's Brian Barczyk, one of the most respected people in this hobby/business? In threads with sales inquiries, if something goes wrong, everyone expects/demands the party in question to chime in and explain their side of the story. Not like he doesn't have time to take 2 minutes to address the question of where that Nile now. He posts his SnakeBytes videos on this forum and as one member said, he spends hours a day answering phone calls and emails.

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Who are you again?

Do you have something that you'd like to ask Brian? If so, and it seems you know him well enough to know that he has a couple of minutes, why don't you quit your complaining and call him. Ask.

What you've got is some very inexperienced and some fairly experienced but very biased opinions based on pure speculation.

There are no facts to support allegations, HA, that Brian has treated anything in anyway that was detrimental to the animal's well being.

Kinda reminds me of a sewing circle. natter natter natter gossip gossip gossip eeek a fact, kill it quick before it ruins our fun backstab backstab backstab

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Who are you again?

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You'd have to introduce yourself a first time to explain who you are again. And I don't believe I've had the 'honor' of introducing myself to you.

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What you've got is some very inexperienced and some fairly experienced but very biased opinions based on pure speculation.

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Speculation? In a SnakeBytes episode Kel mentions something along the lines of "these are not the cages we keep them in all the time. these are for feeding"

But in the video some many pages back someone posted Brian clearly stated "We're making a new one (cage) that's gonna be 10'..... so she'll be really happy with her new cage."

If that's not a tip off that this is/was the monitors temporary cage, please do say so.

Actually, don't. You'll probably just come up with some obnoxious sarcastic answer.

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There are no facts to support allegations, HA, that Brian has treated anything in anyway that was detrimental to the animal's well being.

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Now are you honestly going to say that Nile can thermoregulate properly in that tub? It can get its warm end with its basking spot and cool end in that tub?

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Good for building a bigger cage for it. Not the greatest choice for a temporary cage though.

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Apparently not...

They might seem a little small but i dont think they mind...

Actually, just because Brian said they were building a bigger cage doesn't mean it was housed full time in THAT tub. Just that they were building a bigger cage. Since that's what was quoted. Again.. why not call and find out? Go see?

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And for the record, I will call Brian today when I do have time and ask him about it.

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And for the record, I will call Brian today when I do have time and ask him about it.

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Why shouldn't he? How come he shouldn't address the question? Because he's Brian Barczyk, one of the most respected people in this hobby/business? In threads with sales inquiries, if something goes wrong, everyone expects/demands the party in question to chime in and explain their side of the story. Not like he doesn't have time to take 2 minutes to address the question of where that Nile now. He posts his SnakeBytes videos on this forum and as one member said, he spends hours a day answering phone calls and emails.

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Because some people have already gone crazy with their wild speculations based on six minute long videos. As I said before, if I were Brian, I wouldn't come here and justify this crucifixion with a reply either.

Because Brian is one of the largest breeders in the country - he will ALWAYS be a target in one manner or another - just like Kevin is, just like Ralph is, just like all the big breeders are.

Internet gossip is just that - gossip, because people don't have anything better than to do than critique and tear down others to make themselves feel holier than thou.

Not a single person here who has been flinging the internet poo has had the balls to pick up the phone and give Brian the courtesy of a call. Not one of you. It's so much easier to be keyboard warriors. :cool:

Dutch, I hope you're sincere and MAKE the time to call Brian.

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Personally, I think Brian should make a video addressing this thread (not directly, but show these new 8ft tubs and 10ft Monitor cage).

In my opinion, that would set this arguement straight.

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While it makes sense on the surface to think he could simply make a vid addressing these questions and then everyone would be happy....such is NOT the case. I guarantee you, for every answer he would try to give, there will be SOMEone still wanting to argue and say it's not good enough and continue the bickering and criticism. ANYone in the spotlight for any length of time goes through phases like this...and if they were to try and take the time to answer every little nit-picking critique and convince everyone to see their point of view....they'd NEVER get anything else done and the arguing would go on forever.

And why should THIS thread on THIS forum get special treatment above any other thread on other sites? There's a reason why guys like Brian rarely, if ever, participate regularly on internet forums.

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I CAN agree to disagree. I'm going to try to stay away from this thread. Its like running on a treadmill.

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Indeed it is. Threads like this go on for so long because folks can't be content to express their opinion and then let it go. They must be the LAST one to express it so their's is "on top" I guess. :confused: Or they feel their job is not done until they've convinced everyone else in the thread that their way is the right way. And all we end up getting is the same ol' arguments over and over again in an endless round-robin where stepping off means you're less of a man or something. :rolleyes:

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Heyyyyyy! Leave me out of this! :P

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Heyyyyyy! Leave me out of this! :P

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In addition to a thank you button. I would also like a "smack in the back of the head button" for use with bad puns. :)

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While it makes sense on the surface to think he could simply make a vid addressing these questions and then everyone would be happy....such is NOT the case. I guarantee you, for every answer he would try to give, there will be SOMEone still wanting to argue and say it's not good enough and continue the bickering and criticism. ANYone in the spotlight for any length of time goes through phases like this...and if they were to try and take the time to answer every little nit-picking critique and convince everyone to see their point of view....they'd NEVER get anything else done and the arguing would go on forever.

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Point taken.


But I think the monitor portion would make for a cool video :D (without regards to this thread)

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In addition to a thank you button. I would also like a "smack in the back of the head button" for use with bad puns. :)

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That's what this is for! :fishslap:

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Kid, real life and book learin' aren't often the same.

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I believe this is your best quote ever.

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Brian has been getting slack for his monitor keeping for quite some time. Yet I am unable to find an edition of SnakeBytes where he shows us the "actual enclosures". Or even the makings of one.

Tubs suck for snakes, I don't care what your goals are.
Tubs are ridiculous for monitors, and Wes, I have been keeping large varanids since 1990, and I know what I'm talking about. Tubs DO make great water containers for small monitors and medium snakes. And I have been keeping giant snakes since 1986.

You guys all belong to the same group that think reptiles are stupid, don't know their keepers, can't learn or even recognize themselves. The same group that thought Mommy Croc was eating her young...

We haven't even scratched the surface as far as reptile behavioural studies go. I can tell you, after 30+ years of keeping them, that they are smarter than you think and you are torturing them in those tubs without any stimulation/opportunities to be themselves.

Not that you'll listen to me, you've got your own greed to think about...

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Dutch, I hope you're sincere and MAKE the time to call Brian.

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I called at 4.50 central time.

No answer.

Try again later.

Lol this is getting rediculous. All these speculations without actually contacting the source. And what is the significance of posting on here to claim you called with no avail? You guys should TALK to Brian before continuing with your accusations....because reallly, you arent going to persuade anyone to think like you, you arent going to make a difference, its not going to change a single thing. And for all you know, it can be something totally different than what you are thinking it is. Imagine if you started making all of these accusations and speculations for every big breeder out there...where would this hobby be? Do you think they owe you something? Do you think they should take the time out of there busy day to respond to an online forum topic? Because really , I dont. That just causes more drama. They could answer every question with an answer that would suit your likes, but there would still be others out there to complain about something else. Its how these forums go. Everyone is wrong, everyone is right. It is opinions! Nothing is going to change that.

all i have to say about this thread (and how long its gone on) is wow. its amazing, the amount of uneducated and unjustified posts have been on this thread. take that comment how you will. i think we all know which posts are the uneducated ones, pretty obvious. how many of us on here would buy animals from brian? i would, in a heartbeat. and those who wouldnt, because of "the way he keeps his animals" should not post that kind of stuff in here, it probably should go into the boi, where brian would be notified and would put to rest these idiotic accusations

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all i have to say about this thread (and how long its gone on) is wow. its amazing, the amount of uneducated and unjustified posts have been on this thread. take that comment how you will. i think we all know which posts are the uneducated ones, pretty obvious. how many of us on here would buy animals from brian? i would, in a heartbeat. and those who wouldnt, because of "the way he keeps his animals" should not post that kind of stuff in here, it probably should go into the boi, where brian would be notified and would put to rest these idiotic accusations

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He's already been asked on numerous forums including kingsnakes monitor forum. The ones asking were respected and well educated monitor keepers and breeders. Guess what? No answers. Nothing has been put to rest...

I also called (just now) and nobody picked up.

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It's Sunday... :)

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WHAT!!! It makes a difference what day of the week it is now? Inquiring parasites, er minds, want to know.

Brian should be at the beck and call of EVERYONE, how can he not know that simple thing?

Just another black mark for Brian, taking a day off when such hot button topics are alive and thriving online.

The NERVE!!!

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:oops: Hahaha I be smart! :taz:

Wow this must be a record 23 pages:) In all honesty I think that if a breeder does his job and keeps wild animals wild( NO WC for sale) then he's done his job. Has anyone bought a sick animal from him? has anyone lost money due to his failure to take good care of his breeders? Are his animals taken to the vets when needed,tubs cleaned. geeze my hatchling sav(5inch) is in a 20L and I've been yelled at because of it.

that is fine notifying someone on forums that really mean nothing to the big breeders. if anyone thinks his caring for animals is poor and tainting his reputation as a big name and well respected breeder, then this really should be taken to the right forum, section and correctly labled thread, where every big name breeder checks in on a regular basis and responds, the boi. this thread is just that, a thread in a forum. he has way to much to deal with than a couple people thinking his keeping is sub-par. if this was taken to the boi, alot of questions would probably be answered and minds put at ease.

It should mean something. Big or small, a breeder is a breeder. Their business is being questioned with a simple statement, by possible customers. It is their job as the business owners, to upkeep their reputation to those possible customers by simply answering their questions.

It would take 5 minutes out of his day to snap a picture of the monitor caging, resize it and post, or email to those inquiring. Why not show the actual cages on snake bites, vs their feeding cages? That would be a smart and simplistic business move. How about his staff? I'm sure they could do the same with this problem. All the questions would be put to rest by a simple 5 minutes out of their day.

Is that not what business is about? Not just producing quality animals, but what about customer care, both pre and post-purchase? "Forum drama" or not, the questions are still being asked... yet they still go unanswered...

understood, but i view it as it seems like a couple people here just trying to start stuff about a well known breeder, for some reason. it seems the people that are "bashing" brian are the ones that are saying that rack systems are not suitable quarters for housing snakes, and so on and so forth. and granted, i would admit, it wouldnt take much time to address these accusations, but this is exactly, to the tee, why the boi was created and exists. is post questions/inquiries/bad experiences/good experiences with breeders and also purchases. all i am saying, is i bet, more would be accomplished by posting there, where it is truly meant to be, than on a totally non-confrontational forum section. these forums, to my understanding are supposed to be utilized for people asking advice and posting pics and threads about their animals. where the boi is about inquiries and questionable breeder practices (if justified)

The BOI, although a useful tool sometimes, has more or less lost its purpose. Not much would be gained there. Why take something such as this to another site for the same answer?

Most questions I have seen were legit questions asked about his husbandry. Mainly proper caging for the larger animals. With the rock pythons, I'll agree. The caging isn't too small. It is just right. I've kept and bred Rocks for quite a while. What most would like to see, that he has not answered, after numerous inquiries from respected and educated individuals is his monitor housing. Its a simple question to answer. It doesn't have to be a prime, professionally photographed picture. A simple snapshot of his monitor housing would do. After that, where do those questions go? They're simply answered, and thats that.

As for the feeding cages. Its simply not needed. Look at some of the most respected in monitor breeding and husbandry. How many of them would move a very large lizard to a smaller cage to feed? After that, you risk damaging the animal internally if it decides to retaliate, or it moves incorrectly being maneuvered. Anyone with the animals health in mind most, simply wouldn't do it. Not only the animal is at risk, but the individuals moving the animal take a huge risk too. It's not like moving a snake.

Seriously..if I were Brian, I certainly would not be posting in a forum to justify myself. If someone had a problem, it would be okay for them to email or call. Writing on a forum is suicide in that case. Wouldnt solve a thing. As it has been said numerous times, he could say everything, take a picture, and you guys would still find something to argue about. Kinda like this thread, it would turn into a never ending cycle.

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It should mean something. Big or small, a breeder is a breeder. Their business is being questioned with a simple statement, by possible customers. It is their job as the business owners, to upkeep their reputation to those possible customers by simply answering their questions.

It would take 5 minutes out of his day to snap a picture of the monitor caging, resize it and post, or email to those inquiring. Why not show the actual cages on snake bites, vs their feeding cages? That would be a smart and simplistic business move. How about his staff? I'm sure they could do the same with this problem. All the questions would be put to rest by a simple 5 minutes out of their day.

Is that not what business is about? Not just producing quality animals, but what about customer care, both pre and post-purchase? "Forum drama" or not, the questions are still being asked... yet they still go unanswered...

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I seriously doubt that Brian's reputation is being ruined over this little thread here on BP.net.

Brian is under no obligation to answer the nay-sayers in this thread. I don't believe a single one of them have even suggested that they were currently in or planned to be in a deal with Brian at the moment, so there's no customer to be satisfied.

This also isn't a BOI type thread either, because there's no "wronged" party here that was wronged by Brian in any type of business transaction. In fact, I don't recall anyone pointing fingers here as having ever done business with or even talked with the man.

This thread has no bearing on whether "I" will do business with Brian in the future (and I sure hope to) and I'd hazard a guess that it will not have any bearing on many other people here who have done or plan to do real business with Brian and not just Monday morning quarterback and critique him.

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I seriously doubt that Brian's reputation is being ruined over this little thread here on BP.net.

Brian is under no obligation to answer the nay-sayers in this thread. I don't believe a single one of them have even suggested that they were currently in or planned to be in a deal with Brian at the moment, so there's no customer to be satisfied.

This also isn't a BOI type thread either, because there's no "wronged" party here that was wronged by Brian in any type of business transaction. In fact, I don't recall anyone pointing fingers here as having ever done business with or even talked with the man.

This thread has no bearing on whether "I" will do business with Brian in the future (and I sure hope to) and I'd hazard a guess that it will not have any bearing on many other people here who have done or plan to do real business with Brian and not just Monday morning quarterback and critique him.

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Look back on the kingsnake threads about his monitor caging, and on other forums. Those were possible customers wanting to buy from him, but refuse until they see caging. I would be also. Refusing to accept the fact that this could or could not damage reputation is simple ignorance. Be a groupie all you want, but simple thing is it shows customer service, pre-purchase. ;)

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Seriously..if I were Brian, I certainly would not be posting in a forum to justify myself. If someone had a problem, it would be okay for them to email or call. Writing on a forum is suicide in that case. Wouldnt solve a thing. As it has been said numerous times, he could say everything, take a picture, and you guys would still find something to argue about. Kinda like this thread, it would turn into a never ending cycle.

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Not many can argue against a picture, with proof of proper caging, don't you think?...

Of course, if a guy actually WAS a good guy, was actually KNOWN for being a good guy, actually CARED what people thought about him, had a reputation, well deserved, for being HONEST, and that guy said, on the same short videos you're all blasting him for, that those were temporary, I don't guess any of you torch carriers would accept that.

Interesting how you'll pick the facts YOU want to use and totally disregard anything that may contradict YOUR opinions.

Do you find a flaw in your logic there?

Afterall, if you accept what he says as truth, even in a small part, would you not be best served by believing all he says? And if you believe him, if his word has always been good enough, why should he have to PROVE anything to any of you?

Basically some of you are calling his very integrity into question.

Heh.

Good thing I'm not Brian.

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Look back on the kingsnake threads about his monitor caging, and on other forums. Those were possible customers wanting to buy from him, but refuse until they see caging. I would be also. Refusing to accept the fact that this could or could not damage reputation is simple ignorance. Be a groupie all you want, but simple thing is it shows customer service, pre-purchase. ;)

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What you're referring to is Monitors though, this thread was mainly pertaining to the big snakes. How he takes care of his monitors would have no bearing on my decision because frankly I know jack about monitors so who am I to judge someone on a subject I know nothing about?

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You can choose to demean my contribution to this topic by calling me a groupie if that makes you feel better. :gj:

Those who actually know me know that I am quite capable of making my own judgements about individuals, and am the furthest from a groupie that you can possibly be.

Whatever happened to the photo session you were so excited about at Brian's btw? His integrity didn't seem to be an issue to you then?

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Of course, if a guy actually WAS a good guy, was actually KNOWN for being a good guy, actually CARED what people thought about him, had a reputation, well deserved, for being HONEST, and that guy said, on the same short videos you're all blasting him for, that those were temporary, I don't guess any of you torch carriers would accept that.

Interesting how you'll pick the facts YOU want to use and totally disregard anything that may contradict YOUR opinions.

Do you find a flaw in your logic there?

Afterall, if you accept what he says as truth, even in a small part, would you not be best served by believing all he says? And if you believe him, if his word has always been good enough, why should he have to PROVE anything to any of you?

Basically some of you are calling his very integrity into question.

Heh.

Good thing I'm not Brian.

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He openly posted through video his husbandry, publicly, on many forums. If something (which has been) spotted wrong, is called into question, it was his own doing. It leaves him open to questioning. If you're investing a good amount of money into animals, you want to know that the animals were kept in prime condition, do you not?

Why "should" he?...It is part of business. He opened himself up to questionability in his husbandry by posting those videos. I feel it is the right of the customer, or possible customer to ask those questions. They would be the ones investing their money, in Brians animals, correct?

While he is making the videos, how hard would it be to show a quick shot of a monitor cage? What makes this suspicious, and makes things questionable is if you look at any other educated monitor keeper, they do not feed outside of the animals cages. No "feeding" cages, no suspicions. Yet here is Brian with smaller than normal "feeding cages", in where the cage size grossly cramps those animals. Every time monitors are shown on his videos, they are only shown in those "feeding cages". Would that not raise any doubts or questions?...

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Whatever happened to the photo session you were so excited about at Brian's btw? His integrity didn't seem to be an issue to you then?

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It was canceled for said reasons ;)

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It was canceled for said reasons ;)

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I can see your point.

I can see why you have that point too.

Have you asked Brian about them yourself?

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I feel it is the right of the customer, or possible customer to ask those questions. They would be the ones investing their money, in Brians animals, correct?

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I missed where anyone questioning Brian in this thread stated that they were a customer or even seriously considering being a customer?

Can you please point me to official complaints from real customers who have been unhappy with the quality of the animals that Brian has provided to them?

Everyone I've spoken to has been very happy with the animals that they've invested in with Brian.

As stated, nothing about this particular thread has anything to do with real transactions with real unhappy customers. Instead, it's about people with nothing better to do, using sketchy evidence from six minute videos to question Brian's integrity.

And you cancelled a photo shoot because of monitors in feeding tubs? :8: :rofl:

Seems you could have seen for yourself instead of joining the speculation bandwagon.

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I can see your point.

I can see why you have that point too.

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Yes I have asked Brian. I got an answer stating he would show me what the caging is for the large monitors, yet I never got proof.

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This thread, myself. I am still waiting on proof of proper caging. Other threads, other monitor keepers.

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As stated, nothing about this particular thread has anything to do with real transactions with real unhappy customers. Instead, it's about people with nothing better to do, using sketchy evidence from six minute videos to question Brian's integrity.

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Possible customers, and inquirers questions should matter just as much. How many other businesses have come into question here, with no unhappy customers to show proof of dissatisfaction, yet those companies are ripped apart for husbandry? Those companies were asked for pictures of proper husbandry and caging...why should Brian be any different. I see no difference. As said, a breeder is a breeder, and if they make something public that looks off, it should be able to be questioned. Isn't that one of the deals with this forum....equal treatment?...

I don't see any real bashing, but more a long the lines of questions being asked, no? Inquiries on caging being too small.

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More than feeding tubs, but yes. Improper husbandry or the questionable "feeding cages" with no answer back from Brian on them. Why should I drive an hour or so to his place, take time out of my day for free, to shoot his collection when I still wait for my question to be answered. I have better things to do, and other photo shoots to set up.

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I could have but chose not to for said reasons again. It should not be on myself to go out of my way to find something out on said company. It should be at the company's discretion to do so.

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Yes I have asked Brian. I got an answer stating he would show me what the caging is for the large monitors, yet I never got proof.

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If you had the opportunity to go and see it for yourself then why didn't you just do that?

Pictures can be used to show you what you want to see it doesn't necessarily have to be a accurate depiction of the reality of the contents of the picture.

Like they say Seeing believing, and you gave up your opportunity to see.


Edit: Oh I see you couldn't be bothered to check it yourself, you couldn't take the personal responsibility to validate your beliefs. That makes perfect sense...

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Am I the only one here seeing a Admin mock a member?

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I wouldn't say she's mocking him. Just displaying disbelief...

I see her trying to push his buttoms and "bear bait" as THEY THEMSELVES call it.


Its obvious that the Admins here are all buddy buddy with Brian, so why wouldnt they "be happy with the quality of their animals".

But they can be happy when it is in their hands, but what about the XX months its lived over at BHB?

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But they can be happy when it is in their hands, but what about the XX months its lived over at BHB?

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The condition your animal arrives in reflects the conditions it lived in. If the snake, eats, poops, and acts normal with no parasites or illnesses then what else can you ask for?

So now we are flat out calling Brian a liar?

Wow... some people are just never happy/satisfied.