Terry Cullen raided

In an area of the city like there are all kinds of smells that float around. The neighbors may have in fact smelled it, but not realized the source. Plus with it's own air system, and depending on how the exhaust fans go, it may have been blowing up and out, with not much at street level.

It's hard to watch a respected pillar of reptile keeping fall, but there is no doubt in my mind those pictures are real. It's a tough pill to swallow but it looks like the care claims are true.

I just read through all of this, whew this is my couple pennies worth: When the news first started coming out about this the zoo personel & animal control reports stated that the animals were not kept in the best of conditions, but not the worst either, from what I gathered, now these pics are popping up? very questionable indeed.
I know a picture says volumes, but I question the validity of them.

I just think that sometimes, people want to do the right thing as I believe he did as far as the animals go, but "you can't bring them all home to care for", you'll quickly get in over your head, which may be the case here, or not. That's for a jury to decide.

As far as the other, well......

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by joepythons

Cmon she goes to a 4 hour interview(never had one last that long nor over dinner).Then she goes overnight for the first day of work(same as above comment).Then text boyfriend BUT does not say a word.Once dropped off sees mom and boyfriend starts crying BUT not one word why she is crying.Then tells boyfriend and he does NOTHING :O.Sorry i would have been at that persons house without the police and handed down MY punishment if that were my girlfriend :mad:.Then i would have called the police.I am not being harsh on the lady but cmon i smell tuna here :weirdface

---

I agree. Last I checked most cell phones have gps tracking, and if I thought I were in a situation like that, I'd have called 911 from the bathroom she used, is this woman a little slow? In this day and age kids as young 8 know to dial 911

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Wh00h0069

I see where you are coming from, but she had just been sexually assulted, and was scared. I'm sure she was very mixed up, and wasn't really sure where to turn. From my understanding, this happens to many females that have been sexually assulted. Many do not report being assulted, or have to be talked into going to the police. I guess we will just have to wait and see what happens in court.

---

Again, this is a 24 y/o woman, I'm having a hard time buying it.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Kaorte

As I said before, many victims of sex crimes DO NOT report the crime AT ALL. So the reason why YOU think this story is fishy is because the girl didn't immediately report the crime. What if he threatened her if she said anything? What if she was so emotionally traumatized that she didn't want to share this information with anyone? What if she was so embarrassed that she fell for such a scam? These are all things that I would personally feel if such a thing had happened to me.

You ever of the boy who cried wolf?

That is quite a thorough police report. I still don't know what happened though or how much of it is true. That is ultimately up to the court to decide.
If it were a bunch of BS there wouldn't have been this lengthy police report and all these charges filed against him.

---

Oh really now?

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by BloodyBaroness

In an area of the city like there are all kinds of smells that float around. The neighbors may have in fact smelled it, but not realized the source. Plus with it's own air system, and depending on how the exhaust fans go, it may have been blowing up and out, with not much at street level.

It's hard to watch a respected pillar of reptile keeping fall, but there is no doubt in my mind those pictures are real. It's a tough pill to swallow but it looks like the care claims are true.

---

As I stated before, no one claimed any of this in the beginning, and didn't I read where one of the charges was poor ventilation for the animals?

Ok since we are having some doubt whether or not the pics are legit or not i have something.This is NOT really a pic from anyones home i have ever been to its only to prove a point.I found this pic while doing a search on animal hoarders.Ok i went to Mary had a little lamb place and this is how it looked :rolleyes. http://i280.photobucket.com/albums/k...thons/cats.jpg

See how easy it is to find pics and say they are from someone elses home ;)

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by joepythons

Cmon she goes to a 4 hour interview(never had one last that long nor over dinner).Then she goes overnight for the first day of work(same as above comment).Then text boyfriend BUT does not say a word.Once dropped off sees mom and boyfriend starts crying BUT not one word why she is crying.Then tells boyfriend and he does NOTHING :O.Sorry i would have been at that persons house without the police and handed down MY punishment if that were my girlfriend :mad:.Then i would have called the police.I am not being harsh on the lady but cmon i smell tuna here :weirdface

---

Joe, I know that I'm late to this, I've been out of town. But until you're a woman who has been sexually assaulted (and I am), you cannot pass judgement on what the correct "behavior" should be after said assualt.

My assaulter was also the son of a foreign diplomat - and he had diplomatic immunity. Knowing that, I told no one, and suffered that abuse on my own for many years. Only in the past ten years have I ever spoken of it to anyone.

Don't be so quick to judge someone who waited three months to report this.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by joepythons

See how easy it is to find pics and say they are from someone elses home ;)

---

Joe, your loyalty is admirable.

However, you have no more facts than anyone else. Instead of constantly fanning the flames, which only serves to keep this foremost in the minds of many, why not get some FACTS?

Those might be pictures from his place. The fact is, YOU don't know if they are or not. Maybe, instead of just yelling about how it MIGHT be fake, you do some fact finding?

Seriously Joe, I know you don't care, but you're looking like someone stuck in denial.

Give that some thought.

Joe, if those pictures are fake and from "some other facility" then it would be just as easy for me to search and find duplicates somewhere on the internet.

Find me those exact pictures somewhere else referring to a different event and we will talk.

I really wish this thread would get locked and everyone would shut up and stop speculating about stuff they know nothing about other than what they have read. Seriously... you guys are ridiculous on both ends.
:mad:

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by anthonym

I really wish this thread would get locked and everyone would shut up and stop speculating about stuff they know nothing about other than what they have read. Seriously... you guys are ridiculous on both ends.
:mad:

---

Yes, make them all be quiet, afterall they don't agree with you, do they. They must be wrong. Why tolerate?

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by wilomn

Yes, make them all be quiet, afterall they don't agree with you, do they. They must be wrong. Why tolerate?

---

Huh...? What are you talking about?

Has nothing to do with agreeing/disagreeing with me. I never even stated my thoughts on this topic. I'm talking about all the speculation on both sides of the argument.

This entire discussion in general is nothing but heresy and speculation on both sides at this point. Even though no one on either side has any proof about anything. Its getting old.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by anthonym

Huh...? What are you talking about?

Has nothing to do with agreeing/disagreeing with me. I never even stated my thoughts on this topic. I'm talking about all the speculation on both sides of the argument.

This entire discussion in general is nothing but heresy and speculation on both sides at this point. Even though no one on either side has any proof about anything. Its getting old.

---

So what? If its getting old then don't read the thread. No one is holding a knife to your throat. :confused:

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Kaorte

So what? If its getting old then don't read the thread. No one is holding a knife to your throat. :confused:

---

So.. are you arguing that it would be more productive to just keep speculating back and forth on the matter?

You were also just asking for someone to provide proof and stop speculating just a few posts ago. I think we are on the same side.. :confused:

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by anthonym

So.. are you arguing that it would be more productive to just keep speculating back and forth on the matter?

You were also just asking for someone to provide proof and stop speculating just a few posts ago. I think we are on the same side.. :confused:

---

It doesn't matter. I am not just going to stop talking about it because YOU want me to because "speculating" is annoying to YOU. I happen to like speculating.

As for what I was asking, I was asking Joe to provide me another source from where those pictures could have been procured since he seems to think it is so easy to just fake that kind of stuff.

I'm holding all of you in contempt! Bailiff! Take em away! :bonk: :rolleye2:

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by wilomn

Joe, your loyalty is admirable.

However, you have no more facts than anyone else. Instead of constantly fanning the flames, which only serves to keep this foremost in the minds of many, why not get some FACTS?

Those might be pictures from his place. The fact is, YOU don't know if they are or not. Maybe, instead of just yelling about how it MIGHT be fake, you do some fact finding?

Seriously Joe, I know you don't care, but you're looking like someone stuck in denial.

Give that some thought.

---

This quote from wilomn is pretty much the same thing I am saying.. so why are you guys getting defensive when I say that speculation is bad, and we need actual facts. But when someone else says it, its totally accepted.. I'm confused here..

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by anthonym

This quote from wilomn is pretty much the same thing I am saying.. so why are you guys getting defensive when I say that speculation is bad, and we need actual facts. But when someone else says it, its totally accepted.. I'm confused here..

---

no, you said this topic should be locked and not discussed at all.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Kaorte

no, you said this topic should be locked and not discussed at all.

---

I said I WISHED it would be locked and that people would stop speculating. Sorry for expressing my opinion about it. Why are you getting so defensive about it? Have I insulted you in some way? If I have I apologize Kaorte.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by anthonym

I said I WISHED it would be locked and that people would stop speculating. Sorry for expressing my opinion about it. Why are you getting so defensive about it? Have I insulted you in some way? If I have I apologize Kaorte.

---

Nah I am not insulted. I just don't see the point of wanting a thread locked because you don't like what is being discussed when you can simply not look at it. The content is not breaking the rules so why lock it or delete it? Another thread will just be made.

I like this thread. I like the updates and I like the conversation, whether it be speculation or fact.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Kaorte

Nah I am not insulted. I just don't see the point of wanting a thread locked because you don't like what is being discussed when you can simply not look at it. The content is not breaking the rules so why lock it or delete it? Another thread will just be made.

I like this thread. I like the updates and I like the conversation, whether it be speculation or fact.

---

The point was more so that by speculating we are starting to spread mis-information and non factual data which is never a good thing. I think the guy is a piece of crap at this point. But that's besides the point. Inversely, if thats how you feel about my post, you could have just ignored it as well. But like me, you chose not to, and to voice your opinion as well. :)

I see nothing wrong with discussing the topic. It's very relevant to all of us. But speculation by its very definition as a transitive verb is not the same as discussion.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by anthonym

The point was more so that by speculating we are starting to spread mis-information and non factual data which is never a good thing. I think the guy is a piece of crap at this point. But that's besides the point. Inversely, if thats how you feel about my post, you could have just ignored it as well. But like me, you chose not to, and to voice your opinion as well. :)

I see nothing wrong with discussing the topic. It's very relevant to all of us. But speculation by its very definition as a transitive verb is not the same as discussion.

---

Touche :D

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by anthonym

Huh...? What are you talking about?

Has nothing to do with agreeing/disagreeing with me. I never even stated my thoughts on this topic. I'm talking about all the speculation on both sides of the argument.

This entire discussion in general is nothing but heresy and speculation on both sides at this point. Even though no one on either side has any proof about anything. Its getting old.

---

Then don't read it:gj:

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by anthonym

I really wish this thread would get locked and everyone would shut up and stop speculating about stuff they know nothing about other than what they have read. Seriously... you guys are ridiculous on both ends.
:mad:

---

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by wilomn

Yes, make them all be quiet, afterall they don't agree with you, do they. They must be wrong. Why tolerate?

---

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by wilomn

Joe, your loyalty is admirable.

However, you have no more facts than anyone else. Instead of constantly fanning the flames, which only serves to keep this foremost in the minds of many, why not get some FACTS?

Those might be pictures from his place. The fact is, YOU don't know if they are or not. Maybe, instead of just yelling about how it MIGHT be fake, you do some fact finding?

Seriously Joe, I know you don't care, but you're looking like someone stuck in denial.

Give that some thought.

---

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by anthonym

This quote from wilomn is pretty much the same thing I am saying.. so why are you guys getting defensive when I say that speculation is bad, and we need actual facts. But when someone else says it, its totally accepted.. I'm confused here..

---

I don't think you're saying what I am. You're complaining about people being able to complain. I get your point, but mine was that it's all or nothing, no one can tell anyone else to stop. You can ask them, as I did with Joe, but to take that ability away, as would locking this thread, but that isn't the way it should be, it's not right.

I do wish guys like Joe, and I mean no disrespect here Joe, would just shut the heck up. The defense is almost as bad as the charges. Bringing it up time and again without sound proof to either contradict the charges or prove them somehow in error, can only hurt guys like terry. Deservedly so or not is an entirely different subject.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by wilomn

I don't think you're saying what I am. You're complaining about people being able to complain. I get your point, but mine was that it's all or nothing, no one can tell anyone else to stop. You can ask them, as I did with Joe, but to take that ability away, as would locking this thread, but that isn't the way it should be, it's not right.

I do wish guys like Joe, and I mean no disrespect here Joe, would just shut the heck up. The defense is almost as bad as the charges. Bringing it up time and again without sound proof to either contradict the charges or prove them somehow in error, can only hurt guys like terry. Deservedly so or not is an entirely different subject.

---

Hey Wes if you dont like what i have to say you know how to use the ignore button ;).This is America and i have the right to say whatever i like when ever i choose :salute:

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by joepythons

Hey Wes if you dont like what i have to say you know how to use the ignore button ;).This is America and i have the right to say whatever i like when ever i choose :salute:

---

Just as you have the right, one which you have once again used improperly, to misunderstand any thing any time any place.

You're welcome. You don't know what for, but you are.

6any thing new with this case?

Actually, yes.

Video of raid (mostly pics and interviews) http://www.todaystmj4.com/news/local/97629914.html


Girlfriend wants seperate trial: http://www.todaystmj4.com/news/local/97895599.html

Looks like these animals need foster homes. It would be great if some of our members here could pitch in!

I live a little far :(

So what are the charges that this guy got? He didn't look to me as he really did anything wrong. They said he was keeping way to many animals in a small space but it looked like a big building and firemen had to pry the door off but people in the neighborhood were scared of there kids if animals escaped? This just seems dumb.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by chris4554

So what are the charges that this guy got? He didn't look to me as he really did anything wrong. They said he was keeping way to many animals in a small space but it looked like a big building and firemen had to pry the door off but people in the neighborhood were scared of there kids if animals escaped? This just seems dumb.

---

did you not see the pictures or the video of this "facility"?

No sorry I just started looking at this thread and 23 pages is a lot to go through. I saw he got searched for a sexual assault charge or something but not much about why they had to take all of these animals.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by chris4554

No sorry I just started looking at this thread and 23 pages is a lot to go through. I saw he got searched for a sexual assault charge or something but not much about why they had to take all of these animals.

---

Check some of the more recent articles and the new video (a few posts back).

It is pretty awful. There were a lot of dead and rotting animals, the place wasn't very clean at all...It was just pretty gross.

Oh wow I guess I missed a lot through all those pages. That was pretty bad. Well hopefully the living animals will receive better care now. He seems like he became to addicted to keeping all these animals and ran out of the room and time to properly care for them all.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Kaorte

Check some of the more recent articles and the new video (a few posts back).

It is pretty awful. There were a lot of dead and rotting animals, the place wasn't very clean at all...It was just pretty gross.

---

And don't forget about the sexual assault.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by jfreels

And don't forget about the sexual assault.

---

I think the sexual assault charges are a little bit more fishy then the video and pictures of dead rotting animals.

The assault charge is just based off what the woman said. Though it is doubtful (in my mind) that he is innocent on that charge.

I saw a little about the sexual assault part. Who knows since there wasn't any real proof besides a persons word. I don't want to start up a big debate like the first 23 pages haha but maybe the girl just didn't get what she wanted. The easiest thing for women to do to get bad at men is say they sexual harassed or assaulted them courts always believe that stuff. At least they did find these animals and help them whether he did or didn't do anything else.

I remember something like that happened at my high school. It could have happened I guess but it probably didn't just knowing the guy that was accused and the girl that said it happened. But what can you do?

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Kaorte

Looks like these animals need foster homes. It would be great if some of our members here could pitch in!

I live a little far :(

---

i have yet to hear anything about the animals as far as fostering. being evidence for a criminal trial i doubt i will hear anything

Interesting. I can't help but wonder why people at the beginning were all ready to defend this guy to the death, even despite the charges of false imprisonment and sexual assault, but many turned against him when the pictures and details of the animals came out.

Am I the only person who sees something wrong with this?

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by bsd13

Interesting. I can't help but wonder why people at the beginning were all ready to defend this guy to the death, even despite the charges of false imprisonment and sexual assault, but many turned against him when the pictures and details of the animals came out.

Am I the only person who sees something wrong with this?

---

Well the answer is simple.The pictures and videos were proof of wrong doings.The other part that seems to have been removed from his list of charges were just hear say :rolleyes:

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by jfreels

Actually, yes.

Video of raid (mostly pics and interviews) http://www.todaystmj4.com/news/local/97629914.html

---

Pause the video at 1:42.....is that alligators jaws deformed ? They look like they are curved up, maybe from being in to small of a tank for to long, or is it just the video making it look odd ?

don't quite know what to make of the sexual assault case...

i really hope this wasn't true... any woman who decides to lie and say they were sexually assaulted are crying wolf and it sucks because it hurts the other women who really have been sexually assaulted and could not provide proof... extremely horrible... if some form of undeniable proof comes that shows the girl was lying, i think she should go to prison :mad:...


as for the reptile part of the story, it's your average "just another irresponsible reptile owner" case... i don't care how popular he is or how much good he's done. that facility is unacceptable :colbert:.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by bsd13

Interesting. I can't help but wonder why people at the beginning were all ready to defend this guy to the death, even despite the charges of false imprisonment and sexual assault, but many turned against him when the pictures and details of the animals came out.

Am I the only person who sees something wrong with this?

---

Well as with anything as proof is produced your opinions can change!!

I would hope and pray that everyone would come to this guys side until such time that the evidence indicates he's guilty.

After all, isn't that what our freedom is predicated on? Innocent until proven guilty. Far too many times we as a society, have this backwards.

Good luck to the guy, but if he is guilty, he should have to pay his dues.
Jim Smith

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by joepythons

Well the answer is simple.The pictures and videos were proof of wrong doings.The other part that seems to have been removed from his list of charges were just hear say :rolleyes:

---

They dropped the sexual assault and false imprisonment charges?

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by BPelizabeth

Well as with anything as proof is produced your opinions can change!!

---

True, but that's not what I was getting at. There were and still seem to be people in this thread and other places that have this twisted notion that the false imprisonment and sexual assault charges aren't that big of a deal, but the animal neglect charges are a huge, huge problem. That's what I was getting at.

That's probably because the false imprisonment and sexual assault charges are based on he said/she said, without proof posted. The animal neglect is backed up by a few photos and video, although again.. most of what I saw wasn't abuse(snakes in tupperware isn't abuse), there was a lot of very bad stuff, like the dead croc and dead snake.

I can't speak for everyone, but I base my opinions on posted proof, not on hearsay. Trust me, if some person popped up and said you sexually assaulted them, I'd have the same opinion of "is there proof?". I'm all for rapists getting punished, there's no excuse for raping someone. But I won't leap onto a person if there's no proof of it. I also find the "false imprisonment" charge to be a bit of a reach, since the victim didn't say he restrained her or forced her to stay, he didn't lock her in where she couldn't get out. IF it's true as she stated it, he told her it was dangerous outside, and she decided it was better to stay than to try to leave. If I thought a guy was going to sexually assault me, I think I'd leave, no matter how dangerous HE said it was outside. But then.. I'm not her.. I wasn't there.. I don't know whether she's making up stuff to sound like she's a victim, or if he was intimidating, or what. So I only react to the stuff with proof. The abuse and neglect.

so did I miss something.....were the sexual assualt charges dropped??:confused:

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by tonyaltn

Pause the video at 1:42.....is that alligators jaws deformed ? They look like they are curved up, maybe from being in to small of a tank for to long, or is it just the video making it look odd ?

---

It definatly looks bad, I noticed that too. It does look deformed but it also looks very narrow and long and not at all like an alligator, I was wondering if it might be some species of crocodille or maybe a gharial? Kind of hard to tell other then it looks really wrong.

anything new on this?

It's funny when the "experts" are caught red-handed. Hahaha!

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by valleysnakeguy

It's funny when the "experts" are caught red-handed. Hahaha!

---

A real scream :confused: