Spider wobble

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Originally Posted by STEW

Why would you guys knowingly put this wobble gene out there? Im just wondering

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Because if your going to own a spider your going to have the wobble. If your going to breed spiders your going to produce wobblers. Not every body is ok with that and that is fine. There are loads of different morphs out there to pick from..And no law says you have to own a spider.

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Originally Posted by STEW

You are now speaking on things you do not know..... I will leave it at that.



I was just wondering. Ive personally never seen a spider in person so I dont really know what this wobble even looks like but if I had a snake that was chillen with its head upside down, I would think something is wrong...... Like it had down syndrome or something. I mean they look cool but this is a fault in the genes or they would not do it.... something is not lining up properly for this to happen or all ball pythons would do it....... am i wrong?

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Exactly! I know I don't know anything about pits - thus the analogy. You don't know much about the spider mutation, other than what you've read. That makes my anaology a fair analogy. If someone were to make incorrect assumptions that something was a "fault" with your pits with no hands on experience with pits, you would take issue with that. Just as I take issue with you making incorrect assumptions that the wobble is some sort of fault, when you've never worked with or seen a spider in person.

None of my spiders chill with their head upside down. They chill like any other ball python does. What they do is have a slight wobble to their head at times (like Parkinsons) - usually when they are excited (feeding time). They also lose their balance at times when stretching their heads up to the top of their tub and topple over (in slow motion).

If I handed any one of mine to you to handle, it behaves just like any other ball python does - you'd swear it didn't have a wobble. I see signs of a wobble late at night (when exploring the upper part of the tub) and right after eating.

Spiders also have a reputation for being one of the more outgoing of the morphs as well.

My female spider has a slight wobble. When she is preparing to strike it looks like she is doing the truffle shuffle. :rofl:

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Originally Posted by rabernet

Someone could say that the broad head of a pit is a fault, or the fight instinct is a fault of the breed and ask why you would keep putting that out there?

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EXACTLY what I was going to say.

I always get more knowledge on a subject im interested in by asking retarded questions or stirring up a lil trouble.....seems like if the right buttons are pushed, mass knowledge comes flying in from all directions and I get schooled up fairly quickly.....get it

Anyway, an obvious fault in a dog, would be cow hocks..... This is genetic and does not affect their ability to eat, poop, and all that other stuff that the wobble in spiders doesnt affect either. However, this is a fault, and would not be bred into any top notch bloodlines...... It doesnt take away from the character of the dog.

Pitbulls, by nature, are not fighters, though they will not back down if pushed into a corner..... this is not a bad virtue in a dog. People that teach their pits to fight and make them aggresive are in the wrong.

The issue with the spider, is that the wobble trait cannot be bred out of them as it is tied in with the spider gene itself. So if you want the spider look or the combos that spiders create, you must then acknowledge that you will have to deal with the wobble.

And you also must remember that morphs are nothing more than MUTATIONS, so inherently they are all flawed or faulted as you put it. ;)

Makes sense..... I guess I would have to see what this wobble actually looks like to come to a conclusion on whether or not I could deal with it or not. To each their own.

Is this the only mutation with side effects?

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Originally Posted by STEW

Makes sense..... I guess I would have to see what this wobble actually looks like to come to a conclusion on whether or not I could deal with it or not. To each their own.

Is this the only mutation with side effects?

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No...Caramel Albinos have kinking issues...Super Cinny/Black Pastels have duck billing issues...I'm sure there are a couple others too.