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Originally Posted by Kaorte

I don't think he was using the word ignorance as an insult, even though thats what everyone seems to think.

It is very hard for someone to offend an Atheist ;) But extremely easy to offend those who subscribe to religion.

No one can prove or disprove the existence of a god, but just as Christians truly believe with every fiber of their being there is a higher power, Atheists truly believe there is not.

I respect the rights of those who choose to believe in God, even though I personally believe it is nonsense. Me calling it nonsense is not an attack on your beliefs, it is me expressing my opinion ;).

This video bothers me because it makes it seem like everyone in that mall subscribes to the same religion, which they likely don't. Also it is very staged.

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Hold up, An atheist does not believe there is no God or gods. An atheist is someone who does not believe in God or any gods. There is a big difference. If I told you that there is an even number of blades of grass on my lawn you would be ignorant to believe me. Not believing me does not mean that you believe there are an odd number of blades of grass. Big difference. I am an atheist and I don't believe in any gods. Please do not make assumptions about what I do believe.

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Originally Posted by Egapal

Hold up, An atheist does not believe there is no God or gods. An atheist is someone who does not believe in God or any gods. There is a big difference. If I told you that there is an even number of blades of grass on my lawn you would be ignorant to believe me. Not believing me does not mean that you believe there are an odd number of blades of grass. Big difference. I am an atheist and I don't believe in any gods. Please do not make assumptions about what I do believe.

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I think you have some double negatives in there... what is your point? I never made any assumptions of what you believe..

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Originally Posted by Kaorte

I think you have some double negatives in there... what is your point? I never made any assumptions of what you believe..

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I don't see any double negatives. My point is that these are two completely different statements

I don't believe in God.
I believe there is no God.

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Originally Posted by Egapal

I don't see any double negatives. My point is that these are two completely different statements

I don't believe in God.
I believe there is no God.

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The original ignorance comment was made toward believers saying we were ignorant. Not directed towards the atheists. That word would be stubborn or close minded.


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Originally Posted by interloc

The original ignorance comment was made toward believers saying we were ignorant. Not directed towards the atheists. That word would be stubborn or close minded.


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I read the whole thread. I understand. My comment was directed at Kaorte who said

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Originally Posted by Kaorte

but just as Christians truly believe with every fiber of their being there is a higher power, Atheists truly believe there is not.

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Whenever you start a sentence by saying "Atheists believe" chances are pretty good you are misrepresenting atheists. The only thing required to be an atheist is to not believe in any gods. This is not a statement about what you do believe. There is a big difference.

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Originally Posted by Egapal

I don't see any double negatives. My point is that these are two completely different statements

I don't believe in God.
I believe there is no God.

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Your first sentence says "An atheist does not believe there is no God or gods."

I agree the statements are different. But I guess I am still missing your point. I don't get why you are so offended with the comments I made?

Not believing in god and believing there is no god are both in a similar boat.

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Just as Christians truly believe with every fiber of their being there is a higher power, Atheists truly believe there is not.

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It was this part right? Let me break it down, just so I know I'm not crazy.

Christians believe there is a higher power.

Atheists believe there is not a higher power.

Just to be clear, I am a super atheist. I'm not disagreeing with you. Just trying to understand why the difference between those two comments is bothering you so much? I don't even think that is what I said...

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That's the Christmas spirit! :)

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I know. I love being in the Christmas spirit! XD


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Originally Posted by Mike41793

Ohhh i hate you! Taunting me with your warm weather! Haha
Yea merry christmas to you to from cold, rainy, still on edge, CT! :)

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A warm hug from here <('.')> XD. I wouldn't want you to freeze!


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Originally Posted by Egapal

I read the whole thread. I understand. My comment was directed at Kaorte who said

Whenever you start a sentence by saying "Atheists believe" chances are pretty good you are misrepresenting atheists. The only thing required to be an atheist is to not believe in any gods. This is not a statement about what you do believe. There is a big difference.

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How can you say that "I don't believe in gods" or "I believe there is no gods"? To me the first one says "there is a god but I refuse to believe" and the second says "I think no god exists"

At its simplest form its like this. On one hand if you believe, you will spend eternity in the best place you can think of with the best people and things you can think of, or I turn to worm food. It's a no brainer for me anyways.


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Is it potato or potato? Lighten up, folks, really. Everyone here is an adult (I hope! If not, why are you on the Web unsupervised?!) so agree to disagree and move on. People can call me anything they want via an Internet forum and on occasion have done just that on other sites I frequent. Who cares? Agnostic, atheist, believer, Believer, Druid, Wiccan, sea fairies that talk to sea monkeys to make them dance, etc., what's it matter? Do what works for you and I'll do the same. I don't espouse my beliefs or thrust them on anyone else for a very simple reason: I believe that if my religion is the best and the Way, the Truth and the Light, I can do more by LIVING what I profess to believe and what my religion teaches me than what I can brow beating someone into submission with insults, a holier-than-thou attitude or snide comments espousing my professed or believed superiority either as a person or because of the religion/teachings/beliefs I choose to follow/adhere to. Each to their own and live and let live. Now, how 'bout that ultramel-pied-axanthic that was just produced?! Hahahahahaha! If only...!