The Official Birth Defect Documentary *Graphic picture warning*

Last year we had a double het clutch of albino to pied, 4 eggs. Incubation was fine. We never noticed a temp spike or power outage. Eggs pipped on their own at day 57. Three hatchlings crawled out and were perfect and the last baby never came out. As for as I could tell he pipped his egg and just died. He (I never sexed him) had a very small lower jaw and his neck never separated from his belly (I hope that makes sense). We have been breeding a while now and that was our first defect....

Some of you guys crack me up! Get a kingsnake or cobra and move on!

Intense thread to read! I've heard of most of issues, but you never hear about the dirty side of it! This is a really great thread!

So, I unfortunately have a few additions to make to this thread.

I have 2 babies that are deformed. They are both from my first clutch ever. It was my super pastel and my lesser bred to a normal. It was a 12 egg clutch, with one boob egg. I have 10 beautiful healthy babies to be proud of!

I incubated at 89, and I had humidity issues in the beginning of incubation but that was quickly fixed. There were no known temperature spikes or drops.

Unsexed Pastel - this is the deformed baby that was in the boob egg. This baby died in the egg around day 55-57 It is severely kinked and fused. This was the only pastel in the clutch.
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The rest of the clutch was out of the egg. The one remaining egg had not pipped, and the baby was very active. I peeked in the little flap and saw it was missing an eye and the jaw looked a little "off" so I cut a bigger hole at the top of the egg.

This baby is a normal, so a different father than the pastel from the boob egg, and I won't know more until it is out of the egg. This egg was almost completely vertical, so I am wondering if the face became deformed when it had to developed pressed up against the rest of the body....

Well, it only has one MASSIVE eye, and its face is deformed and twisted kind of to the side. I will let the pictures speak for themselves.
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Great thread Nikki! Hope all is well.

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Originally Posted by grcforce327

Some of you guys crack me up! Get a kingsnake or cobra and move on!

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I wouldn't consider a topic about recording deformed/dead babies and breeders needing to cull them a laughing matter, personally.

I'll be following this thread. Sad, yet informative and insightful.

The second baby that I had posted about didn't end up making it. The baby managed to get out of the egg, but still hadn't absorbed a lot of its yolk, so I moved it to a small deli cup lined with damp paper towels to make a cozy place to finish absorbing it. As of a few hours ago when I checked, the baby was dead.

Besides the deformed face, missing eye, and enlarged remaining eye, it was heavily kinked. Something to be noted about this animal is that it really resembles that "dinker" lesser that someone had a while back.... I will see if I can find the thread that had it. Here is a youtube video of that lesser dinker that resembles the deformed baby I have.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QpbnAb1m8U8

https://fbcdn-sphotos-h-a.akamaihd.n...959cda25b6e34f

https://fbcdn-sphotos-h-a.akamaihd.n...add013ca0acaed

https://fbcdn-sphotos-h-a.akamaihd.n...52a3d5b1f7d7b7
https://fbcdn-sphotos-h-a.akamaihd.n...c6b33963b7231e

https://fbcdn-sphotos-h-a.akamaihd.n...0f21ba039aad72

Whoah, sorry about the losses. Poor little guys never had a chance. :( Glad to hear you got 10 healthy ones, though. :)

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Originally Posted by TJ_Burton

I have first hand experience with what can happen when breeding for super cinnamons and it was covered by The Reptile Report: http://thereptilereport.com/super-ci...eason-why-not/

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You can get variations in head/skull deformities including duckbills, mishaped heads, cleft jaws etc.
You can get severe and minor kinking of the spine etc.
You can get eye issues (usually stemming from skull deformity)

Of 5 supers produced in an 8 egg clutch, only 1 came out flawless. 2 were culled due to extreme deformity, and 2 were given away to friends as pets due to being completely unbreedable, but in survivable shape.

Super black pastels and black pastel cinnamons have also run into the same complications according to other breeders, although it hasn't been well documented and the frequency of these complications isn't known.

Taken from my post on reptilescanada.com

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I would like to hear more about super black pastels from other breeders. We are planning to go for super black pastels in a year or two, and we have our hearts set on an all black snake. I hope to hear about deformities relating to them from others. I am really sorry to hear about your experience TJ, but hopefully it can help others.

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Originally Posted by mykee

I toss them in the freezer.

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OMG. This is enough of a reason for me to never buy from www.strictlyballs.ca ever. disgusting. :no: