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Re: who feeds in separate containers??
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Originally Posted by cherob1984
I feed all three of mine in a sep tub. They live in a 40 gal terrarium, I take one out at a time and feed them. When I am done feeding one, I wash my hands and reach in to grab the snake and place it back in its normal everyday enclosure. I have never been struck at by either 3 of my ball pythons.
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Originally Posted by kayrussell
i feed them in a separate enclosure so they dont mistaken me for a hopper!! ;)
I wish you both the best of luck in all your future endeavors. Have a great summer, see you next year. Maybe we'll have home room together again.
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Originally Posted by mackynz
Like how Pavlov's dogs associated the bell ringing with food, not just seeing the hand that rings the bell.
Pavlov's dog had a brain about the size of a small orange. The smartest BP on the planet has a brain about the size of a small black eyed pea.
Larger brains make associations. Smaller brains react to stimuli, like the smell and heat signature from a rodent.
I'm really starting to get the impression that some of you new guys look and smell like rats. Might want to have that checked ;)
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Re: who feeds in separate containers??
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Originally Posted by Slim
Pavlov's dog had a brain about the size of a small orange. The smartest BP on the planet has a brain about the size of a small black eyed pea.
Larger brains make associations. Smaller brains react to stimuli, like the smell and heat signature from a rodent.
I'm really starting to get the impression that some of you new guys look and smell like rats. Might want to have that checked ;)
I didn't mean they have the thought power of a dog haha.
And you indeed caught me. It is I, Splinter from TMNT.
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Quote Originally Posted by ballpythonluvr View Post
"I do not and will not feed in a separate container because on feeding day all of my snakes are ready to strike at anything that comes near their tubs so I would surely be bitten."
"This X 100"
I have seen a lot of people say this. That on feeding day putting their hand in their hungry snakes tub would "surely" get them bitten. I don't think this is cage agression at all. I think it is simply that when the snake is hungry he is looking for food to come into his enclosure and a heat signature is one of the things that identifies a prey item, and a good enough reason to strike. I disagree that is it an association of "hand in tub = food" but something more like "hungry and I eat here normally = time to eat".
I only have one snake and he will eat out of his enclosure so I have no problem moving him. A prey item has never entered his enclosure so I'm hopoing he will never mistake my hand for food when he is hungry (in his enclosure).
In his feeding box is a different matter. When he is in his feeding box he is coiled and just waiting for a prey item. His box smells like rats and he definitely associates the box to food and eating. I DO have to be careful to not get bit after he has eaten when I move him back, but this is the only time I ever have to be cautious when I go to pick him up.
Snakes have a brain the size of a pea. I don't think they have a strict list of criteria to meet before they strike when they are hungry.
I am not afraid to be bitten, I'm sure it barely hurts, like everyone says, but I don't want to be anticipating a bite at anytime when I'm putting my hand in his enclosure. Although it has never happened and I hope it never will I expect I will be bitten somehow, at some point, in my snake's 20-30 year lifespan. Until then I am going to do what I can to minimize the chance of that happening.
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Re: who feeds in separate containers??
Well,
I'm a new guy and I mean brand new to the forum, some would call me old as far as age goes LOL!
First off, this is a great post because I'm here with my son's (our) 1st snake ever. She was fed before leaving the store and we've yet to feed.
The owner of the reptile store, who'd I'd call an expert said exactly what the experts on here are saying. "feed in the tank". He's got about every type of python, boa, king, corn, milk and whatever else there is in the snake world, plus huge lizards. Its like a zoo : )
It's advice I'm going to follow. I think I'll have good luck with it and if I have any chance of switching from live to F/T'd it will be done in her tank.
It will take a lot of guess work out of the process and make things easier.
I was glad to hear most here fed in the tank. However, no knock on people doing what works for them, I'm a newbie so what do I know.
But thanks for the great thread.
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Re: who feeds in separate containers??
Ball pythons are not cage aggressive, as demonstrated by the fact that they will allow you to move them to a separate enclosure. With a truly cage-aggressive snake such as a boa, the prospect of moving the snake for feeding day is laughable. On feeding day I open my boa cages with a snake hook; they start striking madly at the cage opening as soon as they see movement. Would I like to try to pick one up while they're in food mode? I think I'll pass. :rofl:
In other words, if your ball python will let you move it to a separate container when it smells food, you don't need to worry about cage aggression, and moving them is pointless.
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So if you are on a good scheduled the snakes won't be cage aggressive if you feed them in their enclosure?
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Re: who feeds in separate containers??
I feed in a separate tank just so I can do maintenance. I feed once a week, so I use feeding time to get the snake out of the cage and do weekly maintenance. She doesn't seem to mind and it makes it easier for me.
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Re: who feeds in separate containers??
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Originally Posted by copperarabian
So if you are on a good scheduled the snakes won't be cage aggressive if you feed them in their enclosure?
They will not become cage aggressive no matter what kind of schedule you feed them on.
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Re: who feeds in separate containers??
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Originally Posted by Slim
They will not become cage aggressive no matter what kind of schedule you feed them on.
My mind has just gone through a 180 of what I previously though of ball python feeding O.O That's amazing, thankyou :)
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Originally Posted by mackynz
I was just trying to say that I think that people who believe feeding in their cage is a bad idea probably think it's an association with with anything entering the cage, rather than the hand itself. I wasn't trying to prove him wrong or anything.
The latter part was intended as a joke, about attempting to train my snake.
Nevermind :(
I'm not a him......
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