Lowest prices you've seen for these morphs?

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Originally Posted by jglass38

If you don't like it here, leave. I don't know what more to tell you. This is a message board and opinions are expressed constantly. Sorry if they don't jive with your feelings on the subject.



See above.

I am sure somebody can start a Ball Python bargain hunters forum, right? Deal of the day!

Maybe you can call it "Snoot" and every day someone can post a great deal they saw on a Ball Python??? :gj:

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Oh man I know. I was just making light of the situation. You are going to have all kind of views and personalities. It's a great place and I do love it but forums are just funny places sometimes.

I do not know if Ralph has kinked Caramels, or if he infacts sells Kinked Caramels. I am talking about quality of snakes that are purchased for the sole purpose of breeding. If you buy a kinked caramel to use as a breeder, I think that is piss poor thinking, no matter what the price is. If you purchase a spider that ties itself in knots just because it is a few dollars less, to use as your breeder male, that is again, poor thinking and poor planning. I have seen and heard of people passing up a NICE Pastel to buy an ugly one, just to save $20.

Sure, price should be one of many considerations when buying a Ball, but if it is the only one, and you intend on starting a breeding program, I think you are going to be sorely dissapointed down the line.

Dave

Of course Ralph Davis has kinked caramels. EVERYONE who breeds caramels has kinked caramels. That's part of their genetic legacy, they throw kinked hatchlings. I thought everyone knew that by now. RD just isn't afraid to show them to people. Having caramels with kinks is like having spiders with wobbles and cinnamons with duck faces. These mutations aren't just skin deep.

The person to beware of? The one who says their caramels never kink, and their spiders never wobble. I would be very wary of buying from a breeder making those claims.

I'm glad there is a new T+ line to work with, and because of that, I have no plans to ever acquire caramel albinos. I'll stick to Crider/Ultramels. I definitely see caramel albinos being 'phased out', and the mutation might even eventually be lost. Why continue to breed them when they have a clear and very serious defect, and there is an alternative with very similar features that will serve just as well in combos? Actually, I think the ultramels are even prettier.

I think the best way to show that you're breeding quality animals is to show people pictures of their parents. I've seen some butt-ugly 'lemon pastels', and some lines of morphs from some big name breeders really aren't impressive, even direct FROM those breeders. You really have to look at the individual animals, not the name behind them.

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Originally Posted by EmberBall

I do not know if Ralph has kinked Caramels, or if he infacts sells Kinked Caramels. I am talking about quality of snakes that are purchased for the sole purpose of breeding. If you buy a kinked caramel to use as a breeder, I think that is piss poor thinking, no matter what the price is. If you purchase a spider that ties itself in knots just because it is a few dollars less, to use as your breeder male, that is again, poor thinking and poor planning. I have seen and heard of people passing up a NICE Pastel to buy an ugly one, just to save $20.

Sure, price should be one of many considerations when buying a Ball, but if it is the only one, and you intend on starting a breeding program, I think you are going to be sorely dissapointed down the line.

Dave

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Agreed. But I don't see anyplace that the OP even hinted that she was shopping much less price shopping.

She queried, was answered, side tracked and then sort of attacked.

Like I said, lighten up. We ALL know what you would or would not do, but you're neither the standard nor the subject at hand.

Wes, I am not going to go back and forth with you, your first post towards me actually did not make much since at all, the whole boat analogy and all.

The original poster asked where someone saw a $125 Spider for sale. I think at that point, quality and quantity discussions are more than fair game.

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Originally Posted by wilomn

Agreed. But I don't see anyplace that the OP even hinted that she was shopping much less price shopping.

She queried, was answered, side tracked and then sort of attacked.

Like I said, lighten up. We ALL know what you would or would not do, but you're neither the standard nor the subject at hand.

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bravo. thanks. :salute:

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Originally Posted by EmberBall

The original poster asked where someone saw a $125 Spider for sale. I think at that point, quality and quantity discussions are more than fair game.

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Because....they have absolutely nothing to do with the topic?

You've got good stuff dave, no doubt. But the way you express your views is just odd. How can you think asking about a price is an invitation to discussions about quality? While the 2 are related should an actual purchase be in the offing, for the purposes of this thread, you're out of line.

Wes, you are the one who has now, probably made this thread 2 pages longer than it should have been. This thread got off topic by post #7. I feel all of my posts have some relevence, if you do not, fine by me. I think alot of people would disagree with you, and your views towards my posts.

What have your posts added? Do you even have Balls?

Dave

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Originally Posted by EmberBall

Wes, you are the one who has now, probably made this thread 2 pages longer than it should have been. This thread got off topic by post #7. I feel all of my posts have some relevence, if you do not, fine by me. I think alot of people would disagree with you, and your views towards my posts.

What have your posts added? Do you even have Balls?

Dave

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For longer than you have though I'm not so quick to pull them out and show people just to prove I have them.

Oh, you meant pythons. Yes, a few for a while.

You still took it your own way, a way which was in no way the way this girl wanted.

Way to go.

Back on the price thing: I did sell a female spider for $200, this year, but she was a difficult starter who needed to be assisted twice before she would feed on her own. I wouldn't price such an animal at normal market prices. I feel the buyer is taking on the risk of a snake that might not continue to feed reliably, after all. She had a wobble as well, but it appeared to be diminishing by the time she sold.