Is this Normal from a known breeder?

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Originally Posted by nimblykimbly

Please don't skew what I said. I NEVER said Garrick didn't have the right to know, nor did I ever say he didn't have the right to defend himself. Perhaps you should reread what I wrote, as I've repeated myself several times already... but to be nice I'll repeat myself AGAIN. The OP never put Garrick's name out... Someone else did. This could have all been avoided and Garrick wouldn't have needed to spend time out of his day defending something he never did wrong, had someone not put his name out. This was a can of worms that never even needed to be opened but dang it, everyone just kept prying the can until it opened. Silly really. It's like some people have just GOT to make a mountain out of a molehill. Listen, I think this forum is great and I don't have a problem with anyone on it... would like to keep it this way. My statement is just how I see it all... Too much drama that didn't need to be created.

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Oh I read what you wrote. And you think it should be between the op and garrick. Except the op came here, telling a half true story. Garrick should know that poo is being flung at him in a large bp community. We all look out for one another here.

And I don't give a rip if you have a problem with me.


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Originally Posted by wilomn

Fedex and UPS do NOT guarantee live arrival. Period. He is supposed to get his shipping refunded if he paid for an early delivery and they didn't make it IF the guarantee early delivery to the receivers location. In many places they do not guarantee early delivery. Paying for insurance to ship a live animal any way other than Delta Dash, or some other airline equivalent is a waste of money.

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You did notice that I said I was being facetious, right?

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Originally Posted by DrDooLittle

And I don't give a rip if you have a problem with me.


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......okay..... but I said I DIDN'T have a problem with anyone, including you. So I'm not sure why you felt the need to say that.

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Originally Posted by 3skulls

I hope that you trust your gut feeling next time.
Shipping should never be based on how much of a rush of the buyer is in.

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True however when dealing with a customer it is NEVER easy, it's damn if you do and damn if you don't.

You ship in extreme whether because they insist then something happen and they will complain even if you warned them it was unsafe.
You decide to delay shipment because it is unsafe and they will complain that you have not ship their animal and you have their money.

Generally speaking fortunately most customers will trust the breeder when they say it is not safe but some will insist anyway and those are generally the ones that can turn out to be trouble customers regardless of what you do.

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Originally Posted by 3skulls

Now how does it work on the end of FedEx? If they guarantee a time and fail to meet it, is it just to bad or do they pay an insurance?

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Fedex does not offer any guarantee when it comes to live animals, it's on the breeder if you use your own account, now when using SYR there is a live arrival guarantee for a fee ($2.50 per $100 in insured value in addition to the shipping cost)

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Originally Posted by DrDooLittle

Oh I read what you wrote. And you think it should be between the op and garrick. Except the op came here, telling a half true story. Garrick should know that poo is being flung at him in a large bp community. We all look out for one another here.

And I don't give a rip if you have a problem with me.


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Haha "I don't give a rip if you have a problem with me." Sounds like you need a hug.

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Originally Posted by nimblykimbly

I don't have a problem with anyone on it... would like to keep it this way.

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Obviously you do, otherwise why did YOU need to post that in response to my post?

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Guys,

This is an important thread which could affect peoples reputations and future business.

Please take the off topic bickering somewhere else where it doesn't have any ramifications if the thread gets locked ok?


dr del

If Garrick would post the emails from the OP telling him to ship, and the ones from Garrick to the OP telling him he'd rather not, this will die. Until he does that, bummer though it may be, doubt will linger about what really happened.

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Originally Posted by Seanjackmc

Haha "I don't give a rip if you have a problem with me." Sounds like you need a hug.

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Nope, I'm good. Just pointing out that I don't care what people on the internet think. You can like me or not, I don't care. I'm not going to lose any sleep over it.

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Originally Posted by DrDooLittle

Obviously you do, otherwise why did YOU need to post that in response to my post?

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I said I like this forum and don't have a problem with anyone on it and would like to keep it this way.... It doesn't need to be read into any more than what I said. It wasn't confrontational at all. My point is that I'm not trying to get into a debate or fight with anyone. I just feel this whole situation could have been avoided by not bringing the breeder's name into it without the OP's consent from the start. I am not passive-aggressive nor do I make snippy comments. You're reading my words and putting your own inflection on it, and there is no attitude there. I made the statement in its purest form, so please don't get defensive over what I said.

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Originally Posted by DrDooLittle

Nope, I'm good. Just pointing out that I don't care what people on the internet think. You can like me or not, I don't care. I'm not going to lose any sleep over it.

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Hey now, this is veritably plagerism Wench. Of course, it's the good kind, but still...

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Originally Posted by wilomn

Wench

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Lol....a term I use at least twice a day.

I agree that Garrick should post the emails regarding the OP telling him to ship anyways. Until thats done, there is no evidence of that happening other than Garricks word.

Funny how when the OP posts originally, everyone is demanding he post EVERY and ALL details about his transaction, and yet when Garrick comes on and only provides a story of what happened, with NO proof at all, people are like, "Thanks Garrick for clearing that up!"

Im not saying Garrick is lying. Dont get me wrong, i highly doubt one of the biggest breeders in North America would tarnish the reputation he built over the years over one silly transaction like this. What i am saying is people shouldnt be treated differently in a case like this, just because they are a bigger name in the industry. This thread should be on the BOI anyways but just like on there, BOTH parties should have to include all email transactions as proof for others to read. Otherwise its just "his word against his"...


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Not all people feel the need to defend their reputation on the Internet. I personally don't think Garrick should feel the need to waste his valuable time posting emails sent between himself and the op to satisfy some of those on this thread.

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Originally Posted by wilomn

If you send me a PM, without checking first to see if I'm willing to keep what you send me private, you have made the huge mistake of ASSuming I will not share as I see fit what you have sent.

The person pm'd was under no obligation, that I know of, to keep anything a secret.

This was not blown out of proportion, it actually brought to light some of the intricacies of online selling and buying, how important it is to READ a seller's TOS and how to answer questions without making it seem like you're hiding facts that are pertinent to the problem. The OP failed to provide what was needed to be of assistance to him. The OP muddled through this half-heartedly. Blaming those who tried to help is hardly fair.

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THANK YOU! As many people that were asking "WHO WHO WHO", I am not going to feel bad for posting Garrick's name. I could care less what the OP wished for when he sent the information to me (someone he's never interacted with), people deserve to know especially after the claims the OP was making.
Once again, I have nothing against Garrick, but it's not like it's some special friend that you don't want to talk bad about. He's a businessman, who runs a business. People are free to discuss their experiences with breeders, and that's that.

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Originally Posted by BCBallPythons

I agree that Garrick should post the emails regarding the OP telling him to ship anyways. Until thats done, there is no evidence of that happening other than Garricks word.

Funny how when the OP posts originally, everyone is demanding he post EVERY and ALL details about his transaction, and yet when Garrick comes on and only provides a story of what happened, with NO proof at all, people are like, "Thanks Garrick for clearing that up!"

Im not saying Garrick is lying. Dont get me wrong, i highly doubt one of the biggest breeders in North America would tarnish the reputation he built over the years over one silly transaction like this. What i am saying is people shouldnt be treated differently in a case like this, just because they are a bigger name in the industry. This thread should be on the BOI anyways but just like on there, BOTH parties should have to include all email transactions as proof for others to read. Otherwise its just "his word against his"...


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Well the OP didn't give all the information to begin with. That's shady. Garrick hasn't said/done anything shady. We saw an e-mail he sent to someone else, and he even came here and explained his side. He doesn't really need to do anything else unless the OP claims that he's lying. The OP hasn't returned so it seems Garrick has the last word. The ball is on the OP's court, but I don't think any should hold their breath :P.

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Originally Posted by Seanjackmc

Not all people feel the need to defend their reputation on the Internet. I personally don't think Garrick should feel the need to waste his valuable time posting emails sent between himself and the op to satisfy some of those on this thread.

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You must not really understand the business side of the industry. Reputation is everything. Good reputation means people feel safe buying your snakes. How do you gain reputation in the reptile industry? Well I don't see any commercials on TV for BHB or LLLReptile.... I only see youtube videos, BOI threads, reputation points, friendly and well-thought out forum posts, and Facebook "Likes" with positive comments... These are all things you only find on the Internet.

I think getting Garrick involved and releasing his name was the right thing to do. It clears up confusion of the OP's original question if we know the exact details of the transaction.
Assuming Garrick is in the right, we originally thought the breeder was wrong and a crook based on the OPs word. If Garrick proves his emails(something the OP refused to screen shot), then we know that the OP is the one negated the TOS. This changes everything... Without all the details we would be pushing the OP for a full refund or a replacement animal...

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Originally Posted by Seanjackmc

Haha "I don't give a rip if you have a problem with me." Sounds like you need a hug.

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No problem!
Lots of people want to give Doolittle a hug! :3
*hug Doolittle *

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Originally Posted by satomi325

Lots of people want to give Doolittle a hug! :3
*hug Doolittle *

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Don't we all? :)

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Originally Posted by Rob

Don't we all? :)

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Exactly. ;)

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Originally Posted by satomi325

I think getting Garrick involved and releasing his name was the right thing to do. It clears up confusion of the OP's original question if we know the exact details of the transaction.
Assuming Garrick is in the right, we originally thought the breeder was wrong and a crook based on the OPs word. If Garrick proves his emails(something the OP refused to screen shot), then we know that the OP is the one negated the TOS. This changes everything... Without all the details we would be pushing the OP for a full refund or a replacement animal...




No problem!
Lots of people want to give Doolittle a hug! :3
*hug Doolittle *

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Aww :p. *hugs back* :)

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Originally Posted by satomi325

No problem!
Lots of people want to give Doolittle a hug! :3
*hug Doolittle *

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I can confirm that I want to hug Doolittle

This is more ridiculous than some of the feeding frenzies on Fauna. You guys are being kind of silly.

Confucius says, he who points out silliness, is no less silly.

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Originally Posted by Anatopism

He who points out silliness, is no less silly. - Confucius

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"He who points out the silliness of one who points out silliness, is no less silly." - Rob :p

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Originally Posted by spitzu

This is more ridiculous than some of the feeding frenzies on Fauna. You guys are being kind of silly.

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LOL - that's a good metaphor for what goes on on fauna :P. However, it really shows your character when you purposefully tell only YOUR half of the story and you leave out YOUR mistakes, then ask for feedback on what SHOULD happen based on the half-told situation... I think the following quote sums it up...

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Originally Posted by satomi325

Assuming Garrick is in the right, we originally thought the breeder was wrong and a crook based on the OPs word. If Garrick proves his emails(something the OP refused to screen shot), then we know that the OP is the one negated the TOS. This changes everything... Without all the details we would be pushing the OP for a full refund or a replacement animal...

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PS.. @ dolittle :hug:

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Originally Posted by liv

I can confirm that I want to hug Doolittle

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I will x4 or x5 that and confirm it as well. I'd like to propose a motion to visit WA and exchange hugs for doolittle food.

Also, wth does "i dont give a rip" mean? I'd like at least 1 or 2 of your rips as well as the food doolittle.

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Originally Posted by Rob

"He who points out the silliness of one who points out silliness, is no less silly." - Rob :p

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Confucius says, she who sees silliness in herself, is on way to enlightenment.

:)

I hope this thread continues, out of sheer entertainment value while at work.

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Originally Posted by Anatopism

Confucius says, she who sees silliness in herself, is on way to enlightenment.

:)

I hope this thread continues, out of sheer entertainment value while at work.

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Mike says, "Hi!". :)

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Originally Posted by Anatopism

Confucius says, she who sees silliness in herself, is on way to enlightenment.

:)

I hope this thread continues, out of sheer entertainment value while at work.

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Lmbo! I'm guessing this thread will be locked shortly

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Originally Posted by h00blah

Well the OP didn't give all the information to begin with. That's shady. Garrick hasn't said/done anything shady. We saw an e-mail he sent to someone else, and he even came here and explained his side. He doesn't really need to do anything else unless the OP claims that he's lying. The OP hasn't returned so it seems Garrick has the last word. The ball is on the OP's court, but I don't think any should hold their breath :P.

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Yea ur right. And since all this new stuff has appeared i agree the fact the OP had vanished probably points to more holes in his story.

I too dont think Garrick has to provide anything else to us. This is a completely private manner between these 2 and it sounds like its been resloved somewhat so who really cares..? My point was this is a BOI type of thread, and we all know that words dont hold up too well sometimes in this business, unfortunatly. But yes i suppose Garrick did get the last word. If theres no argument then thats it!


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My stuff has been dealt with. I talked to Garrick Last night.

Almost 30 mins of my life that I will never get back reading these 19 pages so now I feel I am entitled to post my two cents.

If you are going to come on a PUBLIC forum as the OP did and not release all of the information needed then expect to get flamed.

For those of you saying this should have never been posted or should be between the buyer and seller........................... You are probably the same type that will be really pissed when you get screwed and someone posts that "oh yeah so and so screwed me too". hen you will be mad that you were not informed about so and so, right?

Our hobby of CHOICE relies almost 100% on a small word that doesn't seem to mean much to anyone anymore known as TRUST. I always want to know of anyone who is not trustworthy here. Call me over careful but its better to be safe than taken for a ride;)

I'd just like pop in to agree that I too call dibs on hugging Doolittle. That is all.

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Originally Posted by Derrick

My stuff has been dealt with. I talked to Garrick Last night.

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So, did you violate the TOS by insisting he ship against his advice?

Honesty is the path to respect.

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Originally Posted by wilomn

Fedex and UPS do NOT guarantee live arrival. Period. He is supposed to get his shipping refunded if he paid for an early delivery and they didn't make it IF the guarantee early delivery to the receivers location. In many places they do not guarantee early delivery. Paying for insurance to ship a live animal any way other than Delta Dash, or some other airline equivalent is a waste of money.

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Actually, fed ex will refund the shipping ONLY if the delay was because of mechanical failure, such as a problem with a plane. They do not refund shipping if the package arrives late because of the weather.

From: garrick@crestedgecko.com
Subject: RE: ball pythons
To: "derrick bustle

Date: Tuesday, January 29, 2013, 9:47 AM
Derrick I have some bad news. It looks like there are severe storms and tornadoes coming to the Southeastern part of the country including Memphis, TN, where Fed Ex's sorting facility is. They will most-likely experience delays with shipping, and delays at this time of year can be deadly for the animals if the heat packs wear out. I think it would be best if I held off on shipping until next week. I'm sorry for the wait, but I want the shipment to arrive on time, safe, and sound. It looks like it will be ok to ship on Monday for arrival on Tuesday morning. Let me know if you can receive on Tuesday.
Thanks,
Garrick DeMeyer
Captive Reptile Specialties, Inc.
715.845.5545 direct
941.803.2838 fax
www.CrestedGecko.com
www.RoyalConstrictorDesigns.com
Visit our YouTube channesl at: www.youtube.com/thecrestedgecko and www.youtube.com/theroyalconstrictor
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From: derrick bustle
Subject: RE: ball pythons

They should be air shipping it and itll be here in plenty of time.
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From: garrick@crestedgecko.com
Subject: RE: ball pythons
To: "derrick bustle
Date: Tuesday, January 29, 2013, 9:56 AM

It wouldn't ship out of WI until late tonight and it would arrive in Memphis TN in the early morning, right when this weather system will be there. It may make it to Memphis, but I don't think it would leave on time to get to you tomorrow. I don't want to take a chance with a shipment this valuable. I'd rather wait a few days and get them there safe rather than take a chance.

Thanks,


Garrick DeMeyer
Captive Reptile Specialties, Inc.

715.845.5545 direct
941.803.2838 fax

www.CrestedGecko.com
www.RoyalConstrictorDesigns.com

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From: derrick bustle
Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2013 9:02 AM
To: garrick@crestedgecko.com
Subject: RE: ball pythons

According to everything im reading it will be through memphis by 1 am tomorrow morning.
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Subject: RE: ball pythons
To: "derrick bustle" <bassfsn85@yahoo.com</mc/compose?to=bassfsn85@yahoo.com>>
Date: Tuesday, January 29, 2013, 10:12 AM

It may be, but I don't think it is worth taking a risk. I'll ship if you want me to, but it is against my better judgement and I won't guarantee live delivery. I've shipped thousands of packages and I know a dangerous situation when I see one. I really don't advise it.

Thanks,


Garrick DeMeyer
Captive Reptile Specialties, Inc.

715.845.5545 direct
941.803.2838 fax

www.CrestedGecko.com
www.RoyalConstrictorDesigns.com
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From: derrick bustle [bassfsn85@yahoo.com</mc/compose?to=bassfsn85@yahoo.com>]
Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2013 12:17 PM
To: garrick@crestedgecko.com</mc/compose?to=garrick@crestedgecko.com>
Subject: RE: ball pythons

Every thing was ok except the mystic male..he was D.O.A. got delivery about 2
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From: garrick@crestedgecko.com <garrick@crestedgecko.com>
Subject: RE: ball pythons
To: "derrick bustle" <bassfsn85@yahoo.com>
Date: Wednesday, January 30, 2013, 1:24 PM

Let the mystic warm up for 3-4 hours before disposing of him. I've received snakes that were lifeless and they came around after about 2-3 hours. Normally, fed ex would have had the box there by 10:30AM. I figured there was going to be a delay of some type with the weather they had.


Thanks,


Garrick DeMeyer
Captive Reptile Specialties, Inc.

715.845.5545 direct
941.803.2838 fax

www.CrestedGecko.com
www.RoyalConstrictorDesigns.com

Visit our YouTube channesl at: www.youtube.com/thecrestedgecko and www.youtube.com/theroyalconstrictor
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From: derrick bustle [bassfsn85@yahoo.com]
Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2013 3:47 PM
To: garrick@crestedgecko.com
Subject: RE: ball pythons

Nothing...es gotten nice and warm but hes gone



There were a couple of emails before I shipped and when he emailed me to let me know the mystic died, but I can't find them. I get 50-75 emails a day so some get lost in the shuffle. I asked again if he wanted me to ship and he said yes. I hope this satisfies everyone.

Well then, I guess this is all settled. :)

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Thank you Garrick.

Rob, I hope it was Rob, I'm terrible with names, I hope you understand why I couldn't take your word for what Garrick would do.

derrick, if you screw something up in the future and want help fixing it, give ALL the information in the beginning. I really don't like looking like a dumbass because I believed some guy, and I DID ask you about shipping, who's lying to me.

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Originally Posted by wilomn

Rob, I hope it was Rob, I'm terrible with names, I hope you understand why I couldn't take your word for what Garrick would do.

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Fair enough buddy :)

I want to hug Wes.

This thread was cleaned up and I would appreciate if everyone would keep it on topic also at this point I believe nothing more can really be added.

Anyone wishing to discuss internet and privacy you are welcome to do so here http://ball-pythons.net/forums/showt...n-the-internet

Thanks you