Beginings of a new morph.

Slim, a question has been posed on the other board that HCC may be a previous friend of yours......:rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by jinx667

Slim, a question has been posed on the other board that HCC may be a previous friend of yours......:rolleyes:

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HCC may be guilty of stealing intellectual property, but he spells far too well to be the other guy in question ;)

[QUOTE=HerpIsAhobby;1826305]15 pages about a black back pastel? Must of been a slow news day. After reading every page I felt obligated to say to HCC just take the images off your site and call it a day. This isn't going to help you or the business get anywhere but grouped together with a bunch of low life scammers and swindlers who have all been run out of the hobby.[/Q]

i agree.

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Originally Posted by HCC MORPHS

i agree.

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Does that mean you will be removing all the images from your site that you do not have permission to use?

A reminder here, this is a FAMILY FRIENDLY forum, now back to your regular programming. :gj:

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Originally Posted by Deborah

A reminder here, this is a FAMILY FRIENDLY forum, now back to your regular programming. :gj:

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I love that about this place. Thanks for keeping up with everything.

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Originally Posted by Slim

Does that mean you will be removing all the images from your site that you do not have permission to use?

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lmao, you cost me a 2 point infraction. Ill tell you what, as hard headed as i might be, i think i finally met a bull to lock horns with. the person i've learned the most from on this thread is you unfortunately =) , and for that you get some respect, and the issue originally wasn't with you, yours just happened to be the loudest voice, so my apologies.

im actually taking some natural light photos of my snakes and putting them up.

now maybe if you took that 1/4 % jerk and turned it into 1/4% nice guy we might get along a bit better.

The 25% jerk is my favorite quarter of slim pie lmao :P

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Originally Posted by HCC MORPHS

lmao, you cost me a 2 point infraction.

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Sorry, but you did that one to yourself.

HCC, I don't have a burning desire to lock horns with you, in fact, I would much rather be looking at pictures of everyone’s new hatchlings and trying to help a new keeper out with a humidity issue. But, the truth of the matter is that there is right in the world, and there is wrong. I have a hard time turning my back on a wrong when I personally know some of the people you have stolen pictures from.

I applaud your efforts to post pictures of your snakes on your site. But, until you kill the links to the stolen images, it's really an incomplete gesture.

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Originally Posted by Mike41793

The 25% jerk is my favorite quarter of slim pie lmao :P

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LMAO!! i hate to agree with you mike.

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Originally Posted by Slim

But, until you kill the links to the stolen images, it's really an incomplete gesture.

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Just when I thought you guys were going to kiss and make up...

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Originally Posted by Slim

Sorry, but you did that one to yourself.

HCC, I don't have a burning desire to lock horns with you, in fact, I would much rather be looking at pictures of everyone’s new hatchlings and trying to help a new keeper out with a humidity issue. But, the truth of the matter is that there is right in the world, and there is wrong. I have a hard time turning my back on a wrong when I personally know some of the people you have stolen pictures from.

I applaud your efforts to post pictures of your snakes on your site. But, until you kill the links to the stolen images, it's really an incomplete gesture.

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true, but the buck stops there, you want to re org a website make one of your own then you can take off what ever you please.

buy the way.. spoke on the phone to a few known names in the filed and they both, said what most of you did but in a non derogatory manner.

They are in deed pastel but, genetic black back pastels " blush backs". We did in fact manage to prove that the sire was genetic( most are not ), so the "dinker" pastel did turn out to be genetic, not a new morph but a genetic gem none the least. so the info was appreciated, maybe not in the way it was delivered, but appreciated anyway.

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Originally Posted by sho220

Just when I thought you guys were going to kiss and make up...

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too much pride on both parts for that, the curmudgeon way ;) .. we just agree to disagree lol

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Originally Posted by HCC MORPHS

true, but the buck stops there, you want to re org a website make one of your own then you can take off what ever you please.

buy the way.. spoke on the phone to a few known names in the filed and they both, said what most of you did but in a non derogatory manner.

They are in deed pastel but, genetic black back pastels " blush backs". We did in fact manage to prove that the sire was genetic( most are not ), so the "dinker" pastel did turn out to be genetic, not a new morph but a genetic gem none the least. so the info was appreciated, maybe not in the way it was delivered, but appreciated anyway.

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are you honestly unfamiliar with the offense of copyright infringement or are you deliberately trolling? for the record, I think slim has been beyond accommodating in all his responses.

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Originally Posted by HCC MORPHS

true, but the buck stops there, you want to re org a website make one of your own then you can take off what ever you please.

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:colbert:

By refusing to remove those images, you are stealing. That makes you a thief. There is no way to sugar coat it, and no way to make it sound better. You're actions are no better than if you walked into the NARBC show and took a KillerBee off of NERD's table and walked out the door.

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Originally Posted by HCC MORPHS

too much pride on both parts for that, the curmudgeon way ;) .. we just agree to disagree lol

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The difference is, I'm not the one who is driving a rail road spike through my reputation in this community.

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Originally Posted by Slim

:colbert:

By refusing to remove those images, you are stealing. That makes you a thief. There is no way to sugar coat it, and no way to make it sound better. You're actions are no better than if you walked into the NARBC show and took a KillerBee off of NERD's table and walked out the door.

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nothing like beating a dead horse in the head.. i might be hard headed but not a thief. again, point was taken 4 posts ago.

EDIT: Thank you for taking the links down.

EDIT TO THE EDIT: I'm still able to get to the pics...

http://www.hccmorphs.com/morphs-101.html

P.S. I hope you realize you have morph listed on this page that have never proven to be genetic, right?

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Originally Posted by Slim

EDIT: Thank you for taking the links down.

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not a problem.. now can we get on with life please....

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Originally Posted by HCC MORPHS

not a problem.. now can we get on with life please....

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I can stil access it on your site.

http://www.hccmorphs.com/morphs-101.html

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Originally Posted by wwmjkd

are you honestly unfamiliar with the offense of copyright infringement or are you deliberately trolling? for the record, I think slim has been beyond accommodating in all his responses.

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Apperently not... Or maybe he is posting from under the bridge. Who knows? ;)

HCC, you need to kill the link at the bottom of this page:

http://www.hccmorphs.com/about-bps.html

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Originally Posted by Slim

I can stil access it on your site.

http://www.hccmorphs.com/morphs-101.html

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If you want to post info and pictures of these morphs without stealing you should probably just make those all links to the World of Ball Pythons page about each one. Not links to pictures that aren't credited.

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Originally Posted by Slim

HCC, you need to kill the link at the bottom of this page:

http://www.hccmorphs.com/about-bps.html

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This is the part where you get pushy and we disagree again. My sudhestion is leave well alone enough for one day and let me handle my bussiness without some one who I could honestly give to shakes about breathing down my neck.
I'm removing the info because it is unethical, not because you say so. So give it a rest.

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Originally Posted by Mike41793

Apperently not... Or maybe he is posting from under the bridge. Who knows? ;)

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The jar is actually full, your 2 cents are extra.

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Originally Posted by babyknees

If you want to post info and pictures of these morphs without stealing you should probably just make those all links to the World of Ball Pythons page about each one. Not links to pictures that aren't credited.

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Good idea will look into that option. Thank you.

Haha looks like he got too scared to keep posting on the other forum. But seriously, it's not hard to take down pics or pages man. Just do it already and disappear into the night, hopefully never to be heard from again. :gj:

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Originally Posted by BAMReptiles

Haha looks like he got too scared to keep posting on the other forum. But seriously, it's not hard to take down pics or pages man. Just do it already and disappear into the night, hopefully never to be heard from again. :gj:

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Yet more unnecessary chump change.

I'm actually laying this post to rest. Thanks for the help slim.

No worries, I'll be waiting to hear from your lawyer. You have my contact info.

Wow what a post. A great example of how nasty forums can actually get.. THe guy shows us some nice pics of nice snakes he's proud to have produced, fair enough they aren't new as he says but to then read 15 pages of attacking each other is embarrassing on all parts. He's done wrong on his site too but to outcast the guy is just not on. We all make mistakes and everyone on here is here to learn. I see to many people being shot down on forums like this nowadays and it's ridiculous .

Any way... Nice albino:)

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Originally Posted by docturgonzo

We all make mistakes and everyone on here is here to learn.

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Your are certainly entitled to your take on the situation, but showing such a blasé attitude about the theft of copyrighted material after it was pointed out as a serious issue goes beyond making a simple mistake and leaning from it.

Ya people make mistakes. That though was not a mistake. It was intentional to take another's pictures altered them and placed them on to his website. In my personal opinion that person immediately goes on my do not buy from list. Why? Well because they obviously has little regard for another's years of work.
I've seen alot of sites pop up That feature others productions on them so that when the sites are visited they look like they are bigger than they really are. To me it just looks like someone trying to make quick sales.
Whether that was hccs intent. I don't know. Nor am I saying it was. But I've seen it all before. I have a website of my own and I know I pride myself on being a hobbiest breeder that enjoys sharing my animals with the world. But every picture on my site is work of my own and animals I have in my collection. There's one picture actually I have permission to use. But that baby was produced from the parents That I produced. Either way credit is given to the owner.
Also hcc probably wasnt looking for all the drama. But when you post on a public forum you open yourself and your business to anything. I myself know. I've had to publicly apologize for a comment here or there and tucked my tail bc I was in the wrong. It something all humans have to do at some point let a little humility in. But agian when you participate in a forum if things are on the up and up you don't have to worry About things like that. Just some .02c


Check out what's new on my website... www.Homegrownscales.com

I've been following this thread since page 1, and here's my reaction...

http://img.tapatalk.com/440a7a86-d3ae-8b30.jpg

Anyways, I've just added another person to my "do not buy from" list. Anyone who intentionally steals pictures and removes a watermark is bad juju. I hope he takes the advice and takes his bruises elsewhere. Thanks to Slim for uncovering that. The only thing nowadays that other people can't take away from you is your own integrity, and in my opinion, this guy has none.

Add my $0.02 to jar #2.

Trey
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This thread is...
Lord, this threat is amazing. It's like a Train Wreck! I can't stay away.

That being said, the picture used on this page: http://www.hccmorphs.com/about-bps.html is also stolen without credit. It is a photograph by Natural History Photographer John Murphy [website here: http://www.jcmnaturalhistory.com/about.html], though that particular photograph is not on his website anymore. It is a print of his, one that you must buy from John Murphy if you want it for yourself.

Just...shaking my head at this whole nonsense.

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Originally Posted by heylookitsjon

that particular photograph is not on his website anymore. It is a print of his, one that you must buy from John Murphy if you want it for yourself.

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How hard is it to use photos of your own animals? How ashamed of your animals do you have to be to not WANT to show them off?!

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Originally Posted by Rob

How hard is it to use photos of your own animals? How ashamed of your animals do you have to be to not WANT to show them off?!

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Well...it actually does take a little effort to get good at taking pics, learning what backgrounds work, how to crop them and stuff like that. And well...a little effort is just too much to ask for a lot of folks now-a-days...

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Originally Posted by sho220

Well...it actually does take a little effort to get good at taking pics, learning what backgrounds work, how to crop them and stuff like that. And well...a little effort is just too much to ask for a lot of folks now-a-days...

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Now that you mention it, that does sound awfully time consuming. Hey why go through all that trouble when great looking snakes are just a click away.....lol smh

Okay so...honest question. If I wanted to build a site for my business and wanted to add an educational section (where it would be CLEARLY labeled as such and not be misleading that they might be my available bps), how would one go about using online material such as pictures to say, "hey check out this fantastic morph by NERD!"? Would a simple credit beneath the photo suffice?

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The worst part is he is charging $350 for that "morph". Tried to give him the benefit of the doubt, but that was an epic fail.

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Originally Posted by Chuckels

Thanks to Slim for uncovering that.

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In all honesty, it was our very own super sleuth Shadera who found his website with all the copyrighted material on it.

But, if HCC is still reading this thread, I want him to continue to focus his lawsuit on me, not Shadera. :gj:

Don’t forget, I'm the one who has defamed your character and has cost you money, so stay focused! Eyes on the prize…every red cent I own, remember ;)

(You guys should see the PMs. They're a thing of beauty)

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Originally Posted by moonlightgdess

Okay so...honest question. If I wanted to build a site for my business and wanted to add an educational section (where it would be CLEARLY labeled as such and not be misleading that they might be my available bps), how would one go about using online material such as pictures to say, "hey check out this fantastic morph by NERD!"? Would a simple credit beneath the photo suffice?

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No it would not. In NERD's case, his website clearly states that all his images are copyrighted to NERD, and you would need actual permission from NERD to use his images in anyway. I can only assume others protect their images in a similar fashion.

Having said that, you might be able to hot link to the images on his site without doing anything wrong. I'm not 100% sure about that.

I know that there are good, legitimate reasons to want to use photos from other sources. Educational pages are a good example. This is why I have contributed images of ball pythons, including a few morphs, to Wikimedia Commons. With nothing more than a small attribution, they're free for anyone to use. There's a spider, an albino, a female on eggs, a female inverted basking, eggs in an incubator, and more. I plan to add additional ball python photos in the future, including some images that I will release into the public domain.

They aren't quite as perfect as work by a professional photographer, to say the least...but they can be legally used, unlike the former.

I just used NERD as my example, but any owned photo will do. Thanks slim! :)

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Oh c'mon Slim, dontcha think we'd make a decent tag team in court? Don't wanna take your glory though. LOL

Honest question. How come it always ends up with the person caught red handed threatening lawsuits? They realize we know they're full of it, right? And even if he did manage to make that a reality, does he not realize that a day in court against someone like Slim is gonna turn into the worst day of his life? Got guts, gotta give him that.

He's been caught breaking copyright law, quite frankly, and thinks he has a leg to stand on in court for whatever reason. :rolleyes:

It's crossed the line into sad.

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Originally Posted by Shadera

Oh c'mon Slim, dontcha think we'd make a decent tag team in court?

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I think we would make an awesome tag team in court, but I didn't want to drag you into anything :D

He has promised a law suit, and I sent him my contact info and address so his lawyer can send the papers. We'll see where he takes it from here.

He wants to sue you?
That's like me shooting a guy. You catch me and call me on it, then turn around and say I'm going to sue.

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Originally Posted by Rob

He wants to sue you?

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He has promised that if he can track the loss of even one penny of business back to this thread, he will sue me.

Of course when he sent that PM, I forgot to mention that since I will never buy an animal from him, that I guess he has his proof of lost business, and should sue away....I hate it when you think of a good one after the fact :(

Are the courts going to use his website as proof of his business? Y'know, the one with all the stolen images?

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Originally Posted by moonlightgdess

I just used NERD as my example, but any owned photo will do. Thanks slim! :)

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If you left the watermark on the photo and had a caption that said: Epic Killer Clown produced by Kevin McCurley at NERD then i doubt kevin would mind or it would be illegal. This is a pretty friendly hobby and not everones out to get eachother :)

With that said, im no expert so dont take my words as the law lol!!!

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Originally Posted by Mike41793

If you left the watermark on the photo and had a caption that said: Epic Killer Clown produced by Kevin McCurley at NERD then i doubt kevin would mind or it would be illegal.

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I think your right that Kevin would most likely not care, seeing as it would be free advertising, but Im pretty sure for it to be legal he would need written consent saying its ok to use his photos.

HCC you can sue me too if you want. I will never buy from you after the way you have acted in this thread. I also will make sure no one i know buys from you until you really start acting like you belong in this hobby. And right now, you dont.
OH YEA: and i dont buy from thieves!!! Thieves, liars, cheats, i cant stand any of them...