What do I do about a pet store that is taking poor care of BPs?

Or,

We could simply stop attacking each other in the first place and agree to disagree.

I have to say that, at the pace it is deteriorating presently, this thread will be locked or deleted sooner rather than later and some people may well end up with infractions.

A disagreement about what constitutes abuse rather than different husbandry methods has no need to get to that level.

Type the rants out if you must, delete them afterwards if you can, and go hug someone or something you love if you have em.


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Originally Posted by j_h_smith

See, there you go showing your ignorance. I use an infrared heat gun. I can check mulitple enclosures and know that each temperature recorded will be calibrated with the same gun. You can't do that with thermometers. Each can give you a different reading. So, to answer your questions, no I don't guess, I use technology. You ask me whether it doesn't really matter? Do you honestly think you have any of the answers, much less all of them.

Unlike your precious carsheets, I don't monitor my humidity. I have water bowls that provide enough humidity. Do you honestly think that these snakes live in controlled temps and humidity in the wild? So what if my humidity ranges from 40-70% at times. I know my snakes don't, but you probably do.

When you have a 1600 gram snake in a 32 qt enclosure, you don't have room for a hide. They are all in racks with solid sides, so if they want they can dig under the paper to hide but they don't usually.

See how much you can learn by listening? Stop talking and listen to us. We've been giving you the correct answers, but you continue to insist it has to be your way.

From your descriptions, THESE SNAKES ARE NOT BEING ABUSED. The husbandry is different than you've read on caresheets, but they are okay. Maybe not ideal, but okay. Stop preaching until you've read the Bible a few times.

Jim Smith

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A heat gun is a form of thermometer. It is a tool that measures the temperature...I was simply asking questions. If I went to your facility, id ask you how you measured temps, humidity etc. If you responded with I dont use thermometers, and tht you use heat guns etc and that you measure humidity by feeling the substrate etc etc id be fine. Second, it seems you have mistaken me to being the OP.

Your so busy getting upset at the OP your just coming across as very arrogant to put it nicely. Aggressiveness doesnt get your point across, it just makes more hostility. Relax, and be respectful and maybe people will listen to you.
Take care

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Originally Posted by OhhWatALoser

assuming he has the same theories as I do, ill answer that

you manage it with an IR gun of some sort and a thermostat. yes it does matter and thats why I use what I use.

Humidity is hard to measure accurately, moisture doesn't spread evenly in air by any means, thats why you can have same humidity gauges next to each other and give different readings. I find it better to gauge it by how the cage looks and feels. Moisture on the glass and wet looking substrate indicates high humidity, Dry substrate means low humidity, it not hard to figure out the balance.

I only use hides on snakes that need them, observe their behavior and eating habits, half my snakes don't need hides, so why use them, their fine in the racks.

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Thanks for the insightful post :). You have to admit that in a fully lighted petshop, it would be nice to give the little guy somewhere to hide. Anyways, have a good one

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Originally Posted by muddoc

I have one question and one response. Did you buy your rodents from them that day? If so, quit buying the store's product. The only way they stay open is by turning a profit. If you do not support their knowledge and husbandry, then quit supporting their business. I would be willing to bet that you could order your own frozen rodent for the smae price or cheaper than you are paying them.

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I didn't read this whole thread but I agree with Tim. You don't like the conditions at a pet store, don't buy ANYTHING there.

As far as trying to correct the store's husbandry... that's up to you but you can't save 'em all.

Ok I have stayed out of this and just sat back. But OP you call the care of the BP at the pet store cruel and not appropriate . So let me say this. Do you really think your snake and any snake in captivity likes being stuck in a tub or tank regardless of how ideal your or any owner or breeders setup is. Do you really think your snake likes being stuck in a tank where he cant move freely, a tub that when full grown he will take up almost all of it. I'm pretty sure all snakes in captivity would rather be in the wild. I don't care how long of a captive bred blood line they are from..... They are WILD animals. So if your really all about your snakes well being then maybe you should hop on a plain, fly to Africa and set yours free. Because it would be a lot happier being free then in a tank.

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Originally Posted by ScottNBecky

Ok I have stayed out of this and just sat back. But OP you call the care of the BP at the pet store cruel and not appropriate . So let me say this. Do you really think your snake and any snake in captivity likes being stuck in a tub or tank regardless of how ideal your or any owner or breeders setup is. Do you really think your snake likes being stuck in a tank where he cant move freely, a tub that when full grown he will take up almost all of it. I'm pretty sure all snakes in captivity would rather be in the wild. I don't care how long of a captive bred blood line they are from..... They are WILD animals. So if your really all about your snakes well being then maybe you should hop on a plain, fly to Africa and set yours free. Because it would be a lot happier being free then in a tank.

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Isn't most of Africa a plain? But I digress.

Balderdash. You have no better, or more valid clue, than the op did about what makes a snake happy. There are hundreds of thousands of ball pythons living it tiny spaces, some with hides some without, that regularly eat, shed, grow and reproduce. They aren't stressed. They aren't, as far as I can ascertain, unhappy. In fact, do snakes even know what happy is or are you geniuses doing a little too much anthropomorphizing?

The op obviously has some issues with a lack of grandeur that are probably a daily challenge for him. Coming here, where he thought such grand gestures as he is wont to make would be not only well received but accompanied by the accolades of the masses, his disappointment has been a bitter pill for which we can all be glad he IS capable of swallowing.

op, your concern was nice. Just about everything else could have been done better. Don't go getting all butthurt because people tell you the truth,even if the ones like me don't put any saccharine on it to make it easier for you take, you're not here to make friends and most of us are not here to cater to dramaqueens.

Quite your female dog emulationating and go to the other store, the one that is not so convenient for you, the one that may cost you a buck or two more. If you're either too broke or too cheap to do that, get rid of the snake or quite complaining. YOU have made EVERY choice that has brought you here. Just you.

[QUOTE=wilomn;1526234]Isn't most of Africa a plain? But I digress.
Yes most of Africa is but that's where they are from.


Balderdash. You have no better, or more valid clue, than the op did about what makes a snake happy. There are hundreds of thousands of ball pythons living it tiny spaces, some with hides some without, that regularly eat, shed, grow and reproduce. They aren't stressed. They aren't, as far as I can ascertain, unhappy. In fact, do snakes even know what happy is or are you geniuses doing a little too much anthropomorphizing?

I was being sarcastic thank you very much!!! I was making the point that the OP was upset with the care of the BP. Well despite the fact that the set up of the tank was not that bad, I was being a smart ass telling the OP to take it back to Africa .... Ect I think every animal is able to feel emotion. Does a dog like being stuck in a cage all day....... Would a pet bird rather be outside flying free...... Well I can't say for sure because I'm not a snake lol but I don't think any snake likes being stuck in a tub or tank . Do you honestly think when your snakes are roam

Do you honestly think when your snakes are roaming the cage or tank or tub pushing at the top going back and forth ect...you think They are doing it for fun.... No they want out. Im not trying to be all "anthropomorphizing" lol sorry that word made me smile lol. I own a lot of snakes so yeah I keep mine in tubs. So I can't be mad and preach to others when I do the same. That's not what I was trying to do.
But I do think it's time for this to be moved to the QT Room. It's getting a little to heated ... More than it ever should have.

Sorry for the messed up posts lol.... I really am not a big fan of this tapatalk thing lol

If one's sarcasm fails is it then the fault of the reader?

I think not.

Practice practice practice.

The op has some serious personal issues that need to be dealt with. You S&orB, just need to work on your humor. From my point of view which is often only seen through mine own eyes.