yes, another hybrid thread...

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Originally Posted by Oxylepy

That's pretty crazy. Just goes to point out the differences between mammals, which probably are where most data is taken from, and reptiles. Hrm, wonder how many chromosomes/genes these species have. Same number of chromosomes would make things easier.

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corns have 36 chromosomes
kings have 36 chromosomes

Didn't look for other species.

Raptor, I think I love you now.

Well my curiosity has been handled. Same number of chromosomes means that when the gametes meet it produces an organism with the correct number, provided the crucial genes meet up there shouldnt be much of a problem and within the subfamily there shouldnt be too much genetic difference. That's pretty awesome.

IMO that Balltic is a crazy cross, I really like it. The coloration, face, and the pattern is just insane. Very cool hybrid:gj:

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Originally Posted by Oxylepy

Raptor, I think I love you now.

Well my curiosity has been handled. Same number of chromosomes means that when the gametes meet it produces an organism with the correct number, provided the crucial genes meet up there shouldnt be much of a problem and within the subfamily there shouldnt be too much genetic difference. That's pretty awesome.

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Well, corns and kings aren't in the same genus. They're in the same family, colubridae, but so are half a million other species since the colubrid order is basically: It doesn't fit into any other category so lets toss it into the colubrid group.

I'm going to throw out a little different spin on this hybrid. With all of the different State and Federal bills pending, I don't think we need to associate the Ball Python with the Retic. Regardless of the looks of the hybrid snake, I think we are now putting the Ball Python in the same light as the Retic. I know there's a BIG difference, but them Congress Critters don't care and all we're doing with the Baltic is adding ammunition for their fight.

The Ball Python has always been seen differently than the larger pythons, but if they find out a Ball Python CAN breed with the Retic (and it's been done), they could start looking more closely at the Ball Python.

Just being overly cautious,
Jim Smith

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Originally Posted by j_h_smith

I'm going to throw out a little different spin on this hybrid. With all of the different State and Federal bills pending, I don't think we need to associate the Ball Python with the Retic. Regardless of the looks of the hybrid snake, I think we are now putting the Ball Python in the same light as the Retic. I know there's a BIG difference, but them Congress Critters don't care and all we're doing with the Baltic is adding ammunition for their fight.

The Ball Python has always been seen differently than the larger pythons, but if they find out a Ball Python CAN breed with the Retic (and it's been done), they could start looking more closely at the Ball Python.

Just being overly cautious,
Jim Smith

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Very true.

I'm against the balltic anyways.... just ugly and unnatural.

I like a lot of hybrids, but this one just isn't my thing.

I'm no quite sure how much sense the "it isn't natural" argument makes to me. Neither is air conditioning. Or chemotherapy. Or automobiles. Or organ transplants. If there is no harm caused to the natural balance to the breed in the native country, then....? And if the argument is related to the health of the hybrid animal, consider that we breed animals every day for our pleasure and benefit that would never occur in nature. Cows don't naturally give multiple gallons of milk a day. Broiler chickens cannot live natural lives due to their extreme growth. Many breeds of dogs have breed-related illnesses, etc etc.

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Originally Posted by unspecified42

I like a lot of hybrids, but this one just isn't my thing.

I'm no quite sure how much sense the "it isn't natural" argument makes to me. Neither is air conditioning. Or chemotherapy. Or automobiles. Or organ transplants. If there is no harm caused to the natural balance to the breed in the native country, then....? And if the argument is related to the health of the hybrid animal, consider that we breed animals every day for our pleasure and benefit that would never occur in nature. Cows don't naturally give multiple gallons of milk a day. Broiler chickens cannot live natural lives due to their extreme growth. Many breeds of dogs have breed-related illnesses, etc etc.

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I mean I get what your saying.... but your talking about a snake that can grow 20+ feet and breeding it with a 5-6 foot max snake.... I would guess that the offspring had many deforms and it took many tries to get this one to work out.... just a waste.... but what ever floats your boat.

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Originally Posted by Raptor

Well, corns and kings aren't in the same genus. They're in the same family, colubridae, but so are half a million other species since the colubrid order is basically: It doesn't fit into any other category so lets toss it into the colubrid group.

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Kinda like the "non-sporting" dog category? :D I wondered about that, since the colubrid family has such a variety... makes sense now!

As for this balltic snake, I think it's interesting looking but a little odd - curious to see how it matures. Do you know if they crossed with a normal retic, or a dwarf/super dwarf?