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Re: Pacman, who's got em?
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Re: Pacman, who's got em?
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Re: Pacman, who's got em?
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Originally Posted by BIG HYDRO
Snakes are not a better diet.
This is a SNAKE forum, I don't appreciate the animals I love being eaten by frogs. It seems as if you fed it to the frog live, and that is cruel, and inhumane nonetheless.
Wow Emily, you knew it was him way before he saw that coming. :]
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There is nothing wrong with the occasional rodent. However as a staple it would definitely be unhealthy.
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Originally Posted by BIG HYDRO
PRICELESS! Whether you like snakes or not, heh, them be some badass pictures!
I love that Budgetts pic!
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Thank you Ragnew. This is something they eat in the wild, so why not in captivity as well right? I only feed rodents maybe once every 4-6 weeks.
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Yes, they would be a much better diet than rodents. It's the mammalian fats and protiens that frogs do not do well with when fed too often.
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Originally Posted by BIG HYDRO
WOW, insane pics, I never knew these frogs eat are sorts of things.
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Originally Posted by BIG HYDRO
Thank you Ragnew. This is something they eat in the wild, so why not in captivity as well right? I only feed rodents maybe once every 4-6 weeks.
Captivity is different than the wild. When moving animals to captivity you take away all wilderness factors that provide in it's hardiness and immune system.
It's the same issue as feeding the lizard, it could injure the frog (and even kill it if it's lucky) and if you caught it from the wild or got it from a pet store it could contain ALL KINDS of pests and problems.
Like said previously, it's a stupid risk that is unnecessary when they are perfectly fine eating insects.
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Originally Posted by blackcrystal22
Captivity is different than the wild. When moving animals to captivity you take away all wilderness factors that provide in it's hardiness and immune system.
It's the same issue as feeding the lizard, it could injure the frog (and even kill it if it's lucky) and if you caught it from the wild or got it from a pet store it could contain ALL KINDS of pests and problems.
Like said previously, it's a stupid risk that is unnecessary when they are perfectly fine eating insects.
It's not different than feeding a CB snake. Said CB snake would have also lost all of it's hardiness factors as well, so the mouse would also have a possibility of injuring/infecting the snake eating it. CB feeders are in no way, shape or form free of parasites and or infection.
I really don't see any difference where the frog(s) are concerned. A staple diet of inverts is the best way to go, I believe everyone has already agreed on that. A mouse, snake or even a lizard is also perfectly acceptable where the bigger terrestrial frogs are concerned. Just don't use them as a staple, it's really as simple as that.
Now live or frozen rodent, well, that's all up to the frogs owner.
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Originally Posted by ragnew
It's not different than feeding a live rodent to a CB snake. Said CB snake would have also lost all of it's wilderness factors, and said live rodent could also mess up the poor snake.
I really don't see any difference where the frog(s) are concerned. A staple diet of inverts is the best way to go, I believe everyone has already agreed on that. A mouse, snake or even a lizard is also perfectly acceptable where the bigger terrestrial frogs are concerned. Just don't use them as a staple, it's really as simple as that.
Now live or frozen rodent, well, that's all up to the frogs owner.
A large amount of inverts in the diet can cause problems with the frogs and their livers. I understand feeding mice to a snake because they can't eat ANYTHING ELSE.
I just don't think it's a very humane idea. If it could eat something else and still get a good nutritions I think it's pointless to kill those animals just for the sake of it being 'awesome'.
It doesn't seem very animal caring to me personally.
(I'm not trying to flame or anything!! I'm just in a personal bad mood and bah, I want to stab things.. :[)
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This is a SNAKE forum, I don't appreciate the animals I love being eaten by frogs. It seems as if you fed it to the frog live, and that is cruel, and inhumane nonetheless.
Do you think the people that love rats appreciate us showing our snakes eating them?
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Originally Posted by blackcrystal22
A large amount of inverts in the diet can cause problems with the frogs and their livers. I understand feeding mice to a snake because they can't eat ANYTHING ELSE.
I just don't think it's a very humane idea. If it could eat something else and still get a good nutritions I think it's pointless to kill those animals just for the sake of it being 'awesome'.
It doesn't seem very animal caring to me personally.
(I'm not trying to flame or anything!! I'm just in a personal bad mood and bah, I want to stab things.. :[)
So your responses are soley based on your personal views? What's right or wrong in your eyes is completely different that what is healthy and unhealthy for a frog, and it's diet. These guys would be eating rodents in the wild, so it's only fitting for them to get it in captivity as well, and that would be my personal view as well.
I totally respect your opinion Crystal, I just don't really share or agree with it.
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You flippin people are ignorant. BTW DO YOU GUYS EVEN HAVE ANY PACMANS OR PYXIES?? Anyways, rodent and such are perfectly healthy to be feeding to these particular species of frog, as long as they arent used as a staple or fed too frequently. once a month is perfect and probably healthy too because afterall in the wild these frogs natural diet includes rodents and lizards although youre right it is PRIMARILY composed of insects and other inverts. SOOO why dont you people just chillaxx a little bit and think about what youre talking about. ANd ED Clark if you are reading this thread i must say once againn AWESOME pics and im looking forward to seeing some more over at fatfrogs where you dont get flamed or "in trouble" for posting pics of frogs consuming what would be a natural part of their diets. GOODBYE PYTHON PEOPLE I TAKE IT I AM NOW BANNED BY THAT IGNORAMOUS OF A ADMIN.
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Originally Posted by littleindiangirl
Do you think the people that love rats appreciate us showing our snakes eating them?
exactly!
I'm sure they'd be angry if we went and posted feeding pictures on a I <3 rodents forum
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Originally Posted by soy.lor.n
exactly!
I'm sure they'd be angry if we went and posted feeding pictures on a I <3 rodents forum
But see that's not my point.
There's nothing else that you could realistically feed a snake in captivity except for rodents. :]
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Originally Posted by blackcrystal22
But see that's not my point.
There's nothing else that you could realistically feed a snake in captivity except for rodents. :]
Well, mine are vegetarians. It's the new "thing" :cool:
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Originally Posted by nathanledet
Well, mine are vegetarians. It's the new "thing" :cool:
I'm a vegetarian.
But not because I disagree that people should eat meat and that carnivores were meant to eat meat, with that, I agree. I don't like the abuse that animals are forced into before they die.
Frogs have a much wider variety of foods that are suitable for aprox. the same amount of nutrition, such as many varieties of insects, mice, and rats. Reptiles are used, but are expensive and not bred to do so, many of which may have vaccinations and other problems that can lead to the frog. So what I'm saying, is I don't like when people feed their frogs wild caught (or even bred) snakes that they could've paid quite a bit of money for because it's 'cool'. Snakes have rodents and occasionally chicks.. but are very uncommon because they have salmonella issues and other diseases.
Understand?
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Originally Posted by blackcrystal22
I'm a vegetarian.
But not because I disagree that people should eat meat and that carnivores were meant to eat meat, with that, I agree. I don't like the abuse that animals are forced into before they die.
Frogs have a much wider variety of foods that are suitable for aprox. the same amount of nutrition, such as many varieties of insects, mice, and rats. Reptiles are used, but are expensive and not bred to do so, many of which may have vaccinations and other problems that can lead to the frog. So what I'm saying, is I don't like when people feed their frogs wild caught (or even bred) snakes that they could've paid quite a bit of money for because it's 'cool'. Snakes have rodents and occasionally chicks.. but are very uncommon because they have salmonella issues and other diseases.
Understand?
Of course I understand. I'm just trying to lighten the mood a bit.
:)
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Originally Posted by blackcrystal22
But see that's not my point.
There's nothing else that you could realistically feed a snake in captivity except for rodents. :]
What about lizard or invertebrate eating snakes? There's also people that feed bird prey, bunnies, guinea pigs. Some snakes even eat other snakes.
What I've been trying to say, is it's often in the best interest of our captive animals to give them a wide range of foods. This guy clearly chose to take it to heart. I don't think we really have a right to be offended when we feed our snakes what other people consider "pets".
It's nature.
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He is a fat happy frog :gj: I dig him too!
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Re: Pacman, who's got em?
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Originally Posted by nathanledet
Of course I understand. I'm just trying to lighten the mood a bit.
:)
Haha, ok I'll go for that.
Ooh I like his color a lot!!
Connie: I agree with you, I just think that it can be more dangerous than it needs to be sometimes when associated with ignorance. :[
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Thanks much folks :D He's definitely my buddy!
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Nice male cranwelli ragnew
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LOL, I love the first pic, it's need a caption! :D
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Gulp. :D That's cute, and a cute little frog.
My Eastern Toad was named Blorp... Someday I may be able to get a nice Tomato frog.
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Re: Pacman, who's got em?
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Originally Posted by jknudson
Nice looking cranwelli you have there.
I would be getting off that substrate and onto some cocofiber as quick as you can. Many a frogs die from impaction on substrates like that.
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Re: Pacman, who's got em?
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Originally Posted by BIG HYDRO
Nice looking cranwelli you have there.
I would be getting off that substrate and onto some cocofiber as quick as you can. Many a frogs die from impaction on substrates like that.
Jason says thanks for the compliment. This is just temporary housing since he's at my house for the night. (just got him today) He'll be in his permanant enclosure tomorrow. :D
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