Axel Feeding Day!!

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Originally Posted by redshepherd

Cool beans, so you don't think your husbandry is incorrect? You think everything is perfect and he's not eating for no reason? Why do you think he's not eating? Let us know the reason.

Because once you've fixed the reasons, I guarantee he will start eating. If you don't, he may never eat, or if he does out of starvation, he will live an unhealthy life.

This thread has been going round in circles with you not listening to any of the advice. Good luck!



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I never said the husbandry was incorrect, I never said he wasn't eating for no reason. I just wanted help that's it. Stop being such a idiot and stop making people upset!!!

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Originally Posted by Axel28

I never said the husbandry was incorrect, I never said he wasn't eating for no reason. I just wanted help that's it. Stop being such a idiot and stop making people upset!!!

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You must be new to the forum
Like I said, good luck!

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Originally Posted by Axel28

I never said the husbandry was incorrect, I never said he wasn't eating for no reason. I just wanted help that's it. Stop being such a idiot and stop making people upset!!!

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They are not being an idiot. He clearly isn't eating for no reason, but the husbandry is most likely incorrect in one way or another, and the only way you can help him is to CORRECT it and take people's advice (who have been doing this for years). Please think before you reply

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Originally Posted by Axel28

I never said the husbandry was incorrect, I never said he wasn't eating for no reason. I just wanted help that's it. Stop being such a idiot and stop making people upset!!!

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Okay you know what?


CHILL OUT


The only one being upset is YOU. If you are not prepared for criticism or being asked questions then reconsider posting on the forum and asking for help and proving to ignore the advise given to you as shown on your previous threads. THAT makes people upset. This isn't about you. This is about Axel.


Name calling and getting overly defensive is NOT going to help him.


Snap out of it, take a break. Go for a walk, take a nap, SOMETHING To cool your jets.

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Originally Posted by GiddyGoat

They are not being an idiot. He clearly isn't eating for no reason, but the husbandry is most likely incorrect in one way or another, and the only way you can help him is to CORRECT it and take people's advice (who have been doing this for years). Please think before you reply

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I JUST SAID THAT!!!!! He isn't eating and he PROBABLY doesn't have correct husbandry!! HOW ABOUT YOU READ BEFORE YOU COMMENT!!

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Originally Posted by Axel28

I JUST SAID THAT!!!!! He isn't eating and he PROBABLY!! HOW ABOUT YOU READ BEFORE YOU COMMENT!!

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This is where I draw the line. Good luck, I hope Axel remains healthy in your care.

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Originally Posted by GiddyGoat

This is where I draw the line. Good luck, I hope Axel remains healthy in your care.

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Oh he will i tried to be nice but no one is listening!!

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Originally Posted by Axel28

Oh he will i tried to be nice but no one is listening!!

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No, it is YOU who is not listening. Again, good luck.

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Originally Posted by GiddyGoat

No, it is YOU who is not listening. Again, good luck.

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Whatever

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Originally Posted by Axel28

I JUST SAID THAT!!!!! He isn't eating and he PROBABLY doesn't have correct husbandry!! HOW ABOUT YOU READ BEFORE YOU COMMENT!!

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Okay, I understand this is a lot but this isn’t the way to handle it. Everyone here has your and your animals best interest at heart. For now you need to just back away and try and calm down


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Originally Posted by BluuWolf

Okay, I understand this is a lot but this isn’t the way to handle it. Everyone here has your and your animals best interest at heart. For now you need to just back away and try and calm down


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Everyone is making it worse.... I tried to listen but no one is listening to what I have to say... I WANT help, but everyone is being mean... Am I taking things wrong or what?

honestly you've had this forum by the ear since you got your beep. a lot of us have been reading and replying, trying our best to help. do not forget that.

you're not feeling well, you're upset. step away from the forum for today. collect your thoughts. and come back when you are READY.

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Originally Posted by tttaylorrr

honestly you've had this forum by the ear since you got your beep. a lot of us have been reading and replying, trying our best to help. do not forget that.

you're not feeling well, you're upset. step away from the forum for today. collect your thoughts. and come back when you are READY.

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I said I was sorry to everyone...
I want help...

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Originally Posted by Axel28

I said I was sorry to everyone...

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You did say sorry. You apoligized and now the best thing is to step away until you feel better :)

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Originally Posted by Axel28

I said I was sorry to everyone...

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but afterwards you called someone a name. be respectful, and SHOW you're sorry. don't just let it be a word.

take some you time. step away for today. you need to center yourself and your thoughts. i promise stepping away will help you feel better.

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Originally Posted by Axel28

Everyone is making it worse.... I tried to listen but no one is listening to what I have to say... I WANT help, but everyone is being mean... Am I taking things wrong or what?

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Just take a deep breath, they are only trying to help. I understand you’re stressed and this is a lot but for now I would just step away from the keyboard and give yourself some time to cool down then come back, and read through the responses once more with fresh eyes. People were giving you some good advice and were feeling frustrated because they felt like you weren’t listening.

Just read through again, look at their advice and make the necessary changes and everything will be just fine.


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Okay, EVERYONE, help me tell me what to change and ill do it. Just can't we let this aside I was in the WRONG, Everyone but me is right.

Let's get this thread back on topic. No name calling, no yelling, no ranting, no nonsense. Further off topic discussion will result in this thread being locked.

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Originally Posted by Axel28

Okay, EVERYONE, help me tell me what to change and ill do it. Just can't we let this aside I was in the WRONG, Everyone but me is right.

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read the first 7 pages of this thread.

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Originally Posted by Axel28

Okay, EVERYONE, help me tell me what to change and ill do it. Just can't we let this aside I was in the WRONG, Everyone but me is right.

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Look back at the previous comments everyone already gave you. I believe I left you a lengthy reply on suggestions.

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Originally Posted by redshepherd

read the first 7 pages of this thread.

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Originally Posted by MissterDog

Look back at the previous comments everyone already gave you. I believe I left you a lengthy reply on suggestions.

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read this thread over again. ask any questions you still have afterwards.

Okay, how to do the paper towel think to make him feel secure?

Please just retell me please... I made a mistake I called someone an idiot and I am sorry, so If my temps or wrong or the humidity is to low please tell me under this comment...

I WILL get a job to get him EVERYTHING he needs. I was planning on that anyways.

Your two main problems I can see right now is the lack of clutter and feeding again to soon. I will take the responsibility for you feeding again to soon, I hadn’t taken into consideration how close it was to your last attempt only the time of day. I thought you were asking if it was to early in the day to feed, I should have been paying more attention.

As for the clutter I know you are working on that in getting vines, which is great, but for now as a temporary solution MissterDog gave you some good suggestions on how to add clutter to your tank earlier on until your vines arrive.

There was probably a lot more good advice I missed but those were the two main ones I saw. Just be patient ^-^


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Originally Posted by MissterDog

First thing that comes to mind is total lack of security and waaay too much open space and no shelter. In understand budget is a concern and you were mentioning picking up more stuff when you can but Axel may not eat until your set up at the proper additions.

There are some temporary solutions you can use as a place holder until you get more stuff but I'll address the main things first.

I trust you already know the half log hides are not idea and you were in the words of getting more appropriate hides. Just remember they like flat, snug hides that resemble a cave and feel like a turtle shell. So keep that in mind when you shop for replacements. Reptile Basics sells great, inexpensive hide if you're not opposed to ordering online

http://www.reptilebasics.com/small-hide-box

I think Axel will do well in a small.

Way more clutter. Be it fake plants or vines, you need something to crowd up that open floor space. Even using paper towel/toilet paper tubes can help make traveling from point a to point be feel safer. A ball python is used to being attacked from above so he sure when you place your plants and vines, he feels like he can't be seen from above either. The less you see of him the more safe he feels.

You can also never have too many hides, as long as you make sure your matching, primary ones are identical and of the ideal type/size.

You can still keep the half logs, but I'd treat them more as an extra furnishing, making a tunnel or "bridge" Axel can use when he wants to travel between hides. Just keep in mind they can be hard to clean and unless you use sealant (just make sure it's reptile safe), you'll have to toss them out sooner than later as the wood can absorb pee if Axel decides to do business on it.

As for temporary solutions I already mention paper towel tubes, but using crumpled newspaper paper as your "fake plants" may help (just toss when they get wet), cardboard boxes as "structures" to block Axel's view of the glass, or half burying your log hides in more substrate.

What can make this more effective is is you find a flat box of some sort, be it a cereal box or some old plastic containers, whatever can hold substrate in it. Flip it upside down so it's like a sandbox then place the hide in it and make sure one of the openings it's pressed against the back so Axel only have one opening. When you fill it with substrate it will cover more of the hide and hopefully, make it seem more like an underground cave. You can place paper towels or newspaper on top for additional cover, and HOPEFULLY that will help until you can get more suitable hides and actual fake plants. Just remember, nothing with tape.

Dollar stores and craft stores are you friends with that. Other hide budget options Deborah covers on this thread.

https://ball-pythons.net/forums/show...0-Hides-my-way

Hope that helps!

Also how are you measuring your hot spot? You're using an UTH last I recall right? I know you were planning on buying a temp gun. Here is a good affordable one on amazon. https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00DMI632G

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Originally Posted by BluuWolf

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Right, I read that, but I sometimes don't understand instructions right... it is one of my "Problems" so I won't do some stuff but ill try my best to get it.

EDIT: I get it now that I read it over again...

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Originally Posted by Axel28

Right, I read that, but I sometimes don't understand instructions right... it is one of my "Problems" so I won't do some stuff but ill try my best to get it.

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What was the parts you couldn’t quite get? Perhaps we could help explain them differently?


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What was the parts you couldn’t quite get? Perhaps we could help explain them differently?


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The hides thing, I still kinda don't get, but i'll figure it out. lol
About the underground cave.

Okay, so my humidity and temperatures are okay though? Just I need to clutter things up?
What else is there? I am listening and if I missed something please tell me.

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Originally Posted by Axel28

The hides thing, I still kinda don't get, but i'll figure it out. lol
About the underground cave.

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Gimme a sec I'll see if I can set up an example

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Originally Posted by Axel28

The hides thing, I still kinda don't get, but i'll figure it out. lol
About the underground cave.

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two identical cave-like (meaning one opening) hides are the most suitable and most used hides for beeps since they offer more security than the hides you currently have. the RBI hides linked my MissterDog offer this for your snake.

if we look at your hides (im recalling from memory): they are not identical, one has two openings, and the other has one large opening.

clutter is a definite must. along with proper hides, clutter will help the snake feel less exposed and less stressed.

if i recall, your temps were good could you give us a temp rundown again?

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Originally Posted by Axel28

The hides thing, I still kinda don't get, but i'll figure it out. lol
About the underground cave.

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I believe what he was trying say is, to use a box with some substrate in it to turn the half log hides into sort of a cave.

Get a box and fill it up a bit with substrate and place the hides inside and kinda bury one half of the log underneath the substrate that way there is only one opening, kinda like a cave lol. That way it feels more secure for him.

Did that help a bit?


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I believe your temps were just fine, ambient at 83 and humidity at 50-60% with a UTH hotspot correct?


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Originally Posted by BluuWolf

I believe your temps were just fine, ambient at 83 and humidity at 50-60% with a UTH hotspot correct?


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The Ambient temperature is normally in the 80s right now it is on 81 and the humidity is 62 right now

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Originally Posted by Axel28

The Ambient temperature is normal in the 80s right now it is on 81 and the humidity is 62 right now

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Alright, ambient and humidity sound good. It’s mainly the other stuff we mentioned I believe


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Alright, ambient and humidity sound good. It’s mainly the other stuff we mentioned I believe


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Alright, I will do my best to get everything right...

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Originally Posted by Axel28

Alright, I will do my best to get everything right...

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we know you will, and you already are. [emoji4]

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Originally Posted by Axel28

Alright, I will do my best to get everything right...

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I know, you're trying your best! Just keep it up it'll be alright [emoji14]

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Originally Posted by Axel28

The hides thing, I still kinda don't get, but i'll figure it out. lol
About the underground cave.

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Hopefully this will help clear things out, I've used what i could find to help represent what I meant.

Get a box that's deep enough to hold some substrate and put your hide in. Mine is a sloped and heavily layered in sealant, which I unfortunately did a sloppy job at the time -_-
https://ball-pythons.net/forums/cach...7aso4_1280.jpg

Fill with substrate to cover as much as possible. You can also stuff the inside with paper towels.

https://ball-pythons.net/forums/cach...7aso5_1280.jpg

I'm using the unused half of my AP cage to show how it may look in the cage.

https://ball-pythons.net/forums/cach...7aso3_1280.jpg

Now time to get crafty! Rip up that paper towel and have it serve as some cover. Having some drape over the opening, over paper towel tubes, ect. Even a cereal box can be used as a 'wall' to be a good visual barrier. It won't look pretty but as a temporary solution it can help.

https://ball-pythons.net/forums/cach...7aso2_1280.jpg

Hope this helps.

Brilliant mister dog! Brilliant!

Hey! Hope you're doing alright! How's Axel doing? Any luck with feeding?

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Originally Posted by MissterDog

Hey! Hope you're doing alright! How's Axel doing? Any luck with feeding?

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No luck on him eating, but I think he is getting hungry he was out this morning.


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Tomorrow is your feeding day right? Hoping he eats this week for you! Did your driftwood arrive?

Keep us posted!

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Originally Posted by MissterDog

Tomorrow is your feeding day right? Hoping he eats this week for you! Did your driftwood arrive?

Keep us posted!

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Yes, I hope he eats this week also. :) Yes, everything arrived and I will try.


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Originally Posted by Axel28

Yes, I hope he eats this week also. :) Yes, everything arrived and I will try.


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Make sure it's evening , ideally dark / low light and warm the mouse/rat up with a hairdryer and offer instantly whilst still warm ...


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Axel ate tonight!! :D

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Originally Posted by Axel28

Axel ate tonight!! :D

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YES!!! YES YES YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

big congrats to you and Axel! you've done so well and it has paid off. i hope his next feeding is successful as well. [emoji3]

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Originally Posted by Axel28

Axel ate tonight!! :D

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I don't know why but this made my night! Happy Halloween and yay for your little buddy!

FOX YEAH. Way to go, i bet you feel less stressed now.

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Way to go Axel!