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Well, i havent seen Gina in about 3 days so i decided to make sure she was in shed and yup, her eyes are all blue and she was all curled up behind her cool hide being antisocial lol. It amazing how small of a little ball they can make themselves into. Sorry for the blurriness. Didnt want to really bug her. Cant wait for her to shed as this will be the first shed with me.
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Gotta love boas and their willingness to eat. Fed everyone except Luna yesterday. So i get Luna her mouse today and i guess the little boas smelled the mouse because Rango was sitting outside his hide with his face glued to the door and Gina attacked the door 2 times as i walked by. Then when i stopped to look at her, she popped up and came to the front of the door hovering over the floor doing the little "I'm going to strike" sway lol. Well now that the mouse is gone, Rango is sitting on the floor and Gina has laid back down. They just ate yesterday too, cant believe the little piggies are already hungry lol.https://ball-pythons.net/forums/cach...704e47f8_h.jpg
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Re: Gina the Rio Bravo Pokigron Suriname progression thread
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Gotta love boas and their willingness to eat. Fed everyone except Luna yesterday. So i get Luna her mouse today and i guess the little boas smelled the mouse because Rango was sitting outside his hide with his face glued to the door and Gina attacked the door 2 times as i walked by. Then when i stopped to look at her, she popped up and came to the front of the door hovering over the floor doing the little "I'm going to strike" sway lol. Well now that the mouse is gone, Rango is sitting on the floor and Gina has laid back down. They just ate yesterday too, cant believe the little piggies are already hungry lol. https://ball-pythons.net/forums/cach...704e47f8_h.jpg
She's top notch!
My buddy has two Gus Pokis and the female is gravid.
That is not good for me LOL!
I'd seriously consider placing our royal, which is so unlike me, to have one.
If my wife didn't care about any of this I'd already be gearing up and I'd never consider placing anything.
Sadly I'm out at 4 LOL.
Gina will be my Poki through you.
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Originally Posted by Gio
She's top notch!
My buddy has two Gus Pokis and the female is gravid.
That is not good for me LOL!
I'd seriously consider placing our royal, which is so unlike me, to have one.
If my wife didn't care about any of this I'd already be gearing up and I'd never consider placing anything.
Sadly I'm out at 4 LOL.
Gina will be my Poki through you.
Keep wearing down the wife lol. I mean one more snake isn't that bad if you got 4 already...but then there is always 'the one more' snake lol.
Or yeah, I mean if you really don't care for the BP and your son isn't really hip on it anymore, then rehome it and get a Poki.
That's how it was with Allison. I mean I liked her but to me, keeping something that you are scared of or don't want or has habits that you really dislike, it's better for the animal and you to part ways because in the long run you will regret keeping it and the animal could possibly suffer because of it.
For me, I love Dottie even though she is my pet rock. She seems much happier in a T10 than a T8. The first night in her T10, she slept out in the open and the next day, she ate a small rat and weaned rat like a champ. The bigger cage seems to have sparked her feeding again lol.
I really couldn't get rid of any of my snakes now as each of them have a special place in my heart now.
So since I got a T10 and T8 empty, I can probably swing 2 more animals. Like I've said, I've always wanted a Gila so I'm pretty sure the T10 will have one of those and for the T8, I'm debating on a Pucallpa Peruvian or Peruvian Long tail BCL. But it wont be for a few months at least. I need to get a few more things squared away here first like a small chest freezer for snake food as the snakes and especially Harley my beardie are eating me out of house and home lol. Harley LOVES her hornworms so I'm going through tubs of 20 every week or less lol. And hornworms are pretty freakin expensive.
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Caught Gina in her 'dark phase' today. You can really see her little eyelashes now and her red cheeks lol.https://ball-pythons.net/forums/cach...9b98b2f9_h.jpghttps://ball-pythons.net/forums/cach...fb30dafa_h.jpg
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Well it was pretty freakin hot today. I got the window open and the room fan going. Louie was soaking in his bowl. Vicky was hanging half outside the cage. Caesar was pushing until I opened his door and then he cooled down and went into his hide to relax. Gina was windshield wiping so slid her door open too and she found the perfect spot to sit to cool off lol.
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I'm pretty excited to get her a boyfriend from Chris. Hopefully I have the cash on hand when the time comes haha. Going have to put on blinders so I quit looking at snakes as I only got 1 AP cage left but I do have 2 40 gallon breeders with flexwatt hooked up to them haha. My god, I feel like a crack addict but with snakes :P
Wonder if they have a SA group...Snakes Anonymous :D
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Well it was pretty freakin hot today. I got the window open and the room fan going. Louie was soaking in his bowl. Vicky was hanging half outside the cage. Caesar was pushing until I opened his door and then he cooled down and went into his hide to relax. Gina was windshield wiping so slid her door open too and she found the perfect spot to sit to cool off lol.
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I'm pretty excited to get her a boyfriend from Chris. Hopefully I have the cash on hand when the time comes haha. Going have to put on blinders so I quit looking at snakes as I only got 1 AP cage left but I do have 2 40 gallon breeders with flexwatt hooked up to them haha. My god, I feel like a crack addict but with snakes :P
Wonder if they have a SA group...Snakes Anonymous :D
Colors are coming in nice on her. Suris get better as they age. At least for the first 4 years. She's a smoker!
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Nice looking BCC!
I know what you mean about addiction lol. I am currently at my max with 10 snakes (plus some geckos, a BTS, and some frogs). I would love to get a BCC and a breeding pair of BCL eventually, but for that to happen I feel I have to downsize elsewhere.. Problem is, I don't want to rehome any of the ones I currently have lol. Add to that the fact that I'm running short on room in my reptile room, so for now I'll just have to live vicariously. :)
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Colors are coming in nice on her. Suris get better as they age. At least for the first 4 years. She's a smoker!
Thanks. And i agree, she is coloring up nicely. She will be 1 year old in 11 days.
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Nice looking BCC!
I know what you mean about addiction lol. I am currently at my max with 10 snakes (plus some geckos, a BTS, and some frogs). I would love to get a BCC and a breeding pair of BCL eventually, but for that to happen I feel I have to downsize elsewhere.. Problem is, I don't want to rehome any of the ones I currently have lol. Add to that the fact that I'm running short on room in my reptile room, so for now I'll just have to live vicariously. :)
Thanks and i hear you about being at the limit haha. Like i said, i got one more AP cage laying around for the male Suri. I would like to get a female BCL too and i got a gal who breeds Denton Line BCL but not Meltzer/Lincoln as she told me that line which was started by Marcia Lincoln and John Meltzer is almost extinct so finding one of those might be work. So I'd like a female of that but also would like a Peruvian BCC and still kicking around the idea of a Gila which i was really excited about since i liked those as a kid but really, for my position, a venomous reptile might not be the best idea so despite loving them, i might have to live through pics with one lol. And i couldnt see getting rid of any of my 'kids' i got now so looks like it will boil to a male Suri or a female BCL......probably the Suri lol. Been bit by the bright red tail and now hard to say no ;)
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Lol so I got my order of ReptiChips today and decided to give it a try on Gina and Rango again.
Well not sure about Gina as she sat me the whole time and didn't want to go into the cage. I finally set her on top of her hide and she is slowly investigating the stuff.
Rango is in shed so he really didn't care as long as he got to back into a hide lol.
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Sauzo, she's beautiful (I've gone thru all her pictures like a stalker!).
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I've tried the reptichips...Currently trying an "off brand" version that is cheaper. I like them a lot...haven't had any snakes try to burrow in them yet, but have not had mold issues or negative reactions from the snakes. I just wish they weren't as expensive as they are. I'm not liking the cheaper brand that I'm trying now, but was happy with a different off-brand (prococo).
Great colors in her last photo btw!
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I've tried the reptichips...Currently trying an "off brand" version that is cheaper. I like them a lot...haven't had any snakes try to burrow in them yet, but have not had mold issues or negative reactions from the snakes. I just wish they weren't as expensive as they are. I'm not liking the cheaper brand that I'm trying now, but was happy with a different off-brand (prococo).
Great colors in her last photo btw!
Thanks. And i tried off brands too and not doing it again. Was not pleased. I just got 4 bricks of the real stuff again and going to stick with that. It's more expensive but seems the best so far. Gina seems to have accepted it and is back to relaxing in her cool hide with her face poking out lol.
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Lol so I got my order of ReptiChips today and decided to give it a try on Gina and Rango again.
Well not sure about Gina as she sat me the whole time and didn't want to go into the cage. I finally set her on top of her hide and she is slowly investigating the stuff.
Rango is in shed so he really didn't care as long as he got to back into a hide lol.
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Such a good looking boa.
My buddy here just told me his two Gus Pokis had a littler and sent me a picture.
It is killing me that I can't buy one.
Gina is such a beauty. Look at that body. If anybody wants to know what "lateral compression" looks like in a boa constrictor, this is the perfect example.
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Such a good looking boa.
My buddy here just told me his two Gus Pokis had a littler and sent me a picture.
It is killing me that I can't buy one.
Gina is such a beauty. Look at that body. If anybody wants to know what "lateral compression" looks like in a boa constrictor, this is the perfect example.
Thanks. Is your buddy BNS? Saw his sneak peek on the 'other' site lol.
And the number one reason i love boas, they always want to eat lol. I was changing Dottie and Luna over Reptichips today. They are on the cages at the bottom of the stack so while i was working, i look up as I'm reaching in to wipe the back wall down and there is Gina standing up to get a birds eye view down at me lol. I think she was thinking it's dinner time even though she ate 3 days ago haha.
And i hear you, there is still 3 snakes i want. The male Pokigron suriname from Chris' Oct litter to match Gina, a Peruvian BCC and a female Peruvian Longtail preferably Meltzer/Lincoln line to match Louie. Problem is i got 1 extra cage haha.
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Thanks. Is your buddy BNS? Saw his sneak peek on the 'other' site lol.
And the number one reason i love boas, they always want to eat lol. I was changing Dottie and Luna over Reptichips today. They are on the cages at the bottom of the stack so while i was working, i look up as I'm reaching in to wipe the back wall down and there is Gina standing up to get a birds eye view down at me lol. I think she was thinking it's dinner time even though she ate 3 days ago haha.
And i hear you, there is still 3 snakes i want. The male Pokigron suriname from Chris' Oct litter to match Gina, a Peruvian BCC and a female Peruvian Longtail preferably Meltzer/Lincoln line to match Louie. Problem is i got 1 extra cage haha.
Yes its BNS.
He and Gus used to chat quite a bit and BNS knows his stuff.
Gina looks amazing here and in PERFECT Suri shape.
I'm not sure if folks new to the hobby truly appreciate something like this. A locality boa constrictor in perfect condition is something special.
Some folks want BIG snakes immediately and completely lose sight what boa constrictors are all about.
Off track rant on my part.
Gina looks great!
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Thanks. She is also the sweetest little worm too. Always up to come out and explore or check stuff out. Think its the baby curiosity in her lol.
Well if they are like me, they get involved because of all the colors and patterns of morphs. Then after a few years, they move into the locality stuff. That's pretty much how i went lol.
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Thanks. She is also the sweetest little worm too. Always up to come out and explore or check stuff out. Think its the baby curiosity in her lol.
Well if they are like me, they get involved because of all the colors and patterns of morphs. Then after a few years, they move into the locality stuff. That's pretty much how i went lol.
Nothing wrong with that.
I started with locality stuff, still love it, but one "electric" morph would be OK by me!
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Oh i know. I was saying that's how i started. I was enthralled by all the pretty colors lol. Then the more i looked at other boas, the more i started liking them. Thats why i went with a BCL. I love how they go through a dramatic color change throughout life. Kind of like GTPs but not nearly as finicky lol.
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Re: Gina the Rio Bravo Pokigron Suriname progression thread
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Looking really good.
My buddy here just had a litter of Rio Bravo Pokis.
It is killing me not to be able to get one.
I'll just live vicariously through these Gina threads.
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Thanks and yeah, your BNS buddy. Saw some of his pics. Nice looking boas. Gina is finally getting some pink to her sides. The cheap point and click camera doesn't really capture it well plus I'm a pretty sad photographer haha.
And maybe in about 5-6 months, you might be able to live vicariously though both Gina and her boyfriend if everything goes well with Chris' Oct litter of Rentfro Pokis.
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Random pic of Gina. I was making the rounds checking on everyone and caught Gina hanging out in the front of the cage. I have recently switched all the babies over to small adult mice every 2 weeks and I think Gina isn't very happy with that idea as she was getting a hopper mouse every 10 days. And for those that notice, yes I switched everyone back to aspen. The babies seem to love the stuff and spend the night burrowing around and playing where as on the RpetiChips, they just kind of sat there.https://ball-pythons.net/forums/cach...a3ba304f_h.jpg
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Re: Gina the Rio Bravo Pokigron Suriname progression thread
She sure is growing nicely and looking good...and hungry LOL
I recently converted my BCI to a small rat every 14 days and he's out begging by day 9 LOL
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Thanks. Haha, yeah she gave up finally and went back in her cool hide and is hanging out with just her head out sulking.
She is growling nicely. She is getting all that pink coming in on her sides now.
And yeah i converted all of the babies over to adult mice every 14 days now. Gina, Luna, Rango and Louie. None of them are pleased haha. They are so used to 10 days that by day 12, they are all out and looking around. It's going to be awhile before anyone goes to small rats. I'm guessing 6 months at the earliest if they are lucky, most likely middle of next summer or so. Heck, Vicky is still on medium rats and she's closing in on 6' and almost 4 years old.
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Well looks like Gina is going into shed as she was being antisocial which isnt like her. So i lifted her hide and she was curled up in it in blue. So fresh Gina pics coming soon :D It's true about BCC being slow growers. Gina has shed for me 2 or 3 times in almost a year. She has filled out but still just a wee little girl.
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Re: Gina the Rio Bravo Pokigron Suriname progression thread
She really is outstanding sauzo that’s for sure , her markings and that tail colour is just so cool,
I’m glad I don’t live over there I would have so many.
there not easily available over here, the ones I have seen have not been the best ,seem to mainly dark not the bright red ones with the great pink sides and deep bat like saddles, I really am jealous ,lol
Still keep the pics coming tho
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Thanks. Yeah Gina's sides have been getting nice and pink. Cant wait to see her after shed. It's like unwrapping a Christmas present. My BCL and GTP though will be the big lookers as they age. They go through dramatic color changes.
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It s exciting that’s for sure, they really do look different after a shed
my bcl have changed so much in the last year, there two in April and the female is just romping away compared to the male , my corn islands nics are colouring up with age too
I would really love a Suriname tho ,perhaps one day
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Yeah cant wait for my BCL to get older. He turns 2 years old in July.
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Well Gina shed about a week ago but i have been busy with Pat and making sure his intake/output system is working good as GTPs are prone to prolapse. Well, i think i'm clear as I've had him a month now and he has had 8-9 meals with me and is eating, pooping, peeing and causing trouble like a healthy baby snake.
Anyways. back to Gina. I had her out for some play time and she wasnt being very cooperative with pics so only snapped a couple as she was more concerned about exploring. She is getting so big! She's pushing the 2 foot barrier now at 1.5 years old lol.
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And look at those little eyelashes on her!! I love them.
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Well, since it's been so dry here from being cold and the heater running, i decided to put the poor parlor palm into Gina's cage for some humidity as it was looking pretty rough. Gina seems to like her new room mate and immediately decided to bond with it. Here is Gina bonding with the parlor palm. I just hope she doesnt try and climb on it lol.
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And dang, that one plant keeps the humidity in her cage pretty good. Maybe I'll pick up a little live plant and throw it in a pot for all the baby snakes. The big ones would just bulldoze those poor plants.
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Well, judging by the welcome Gina gave to her plant, i went out bought everyone a plant and pots and everything. I switched Gina to a little more 'strong' plant. Got her a Pothos. Here she is enjoying her new Pothos.
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And here is the little one's cages with a plant to play with.
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Re: Gina the Rio Bravo Pokigron Suriname progression thread
The pot plants look great in them dark vivs.
I tried it once and they didn’t take long to destroy them and knock them all over
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The pot plants look great in them dark vivs.
I tried it once and they didn’t take long to destroy them and knock them all over
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Lol yeah, Dottie and Luna lost 'plant privileges'. Liuna tried to dig her plant up and Dottie sat on it and pretty much smothered it lol. I gave them both to Gina.
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Gina enjoying her plants...or she is looking for food as a couple more days is feeding day for the little ones.
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And the live plants really do keep a lot of humidity. Gina is sitting at around 80% with no misting whatsoever on aspen. I gave her 3 plants as Dottie and Luna pretty much would have killed the plants in within a week at best.
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And just now, Gina graced with me a little bit of tail lol.
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Re: Gina the Rio Bravo Pokigron Suriname progression thread
Can these gals stay in a T10 permanently? Or, do you eventually have to upgrade to something larger?
And, how big do the males get?
She's very beautiful, btw.
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Can these gals stay in a T10 permanently? Or, do you eventually have to upgrade to something larger?
And, how big do the males get?
She's very beautiful, btw.
Thanks.
I guess you could keep them in a T10 but i personally dont. I keep my bigger boas in T25s and the babies/juveniles in T8s and T10s.
Males should get about 7 feet or so. Females about 8-9 feet. That's a general size, some may get bigger or be smaller depending on genetics, food etc.
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A boa thinking about food, you must be joking!
Seriously, she is beautiful. Slow grower but she will be a big girl!
How is her temperament?
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A boa thinking about food, you must be joking!
Seriously, she is beautiful. Slow grower but she will be a big girl!
How is her temperament?
Thanks.
Yeah, she is being slow grown. She is probably just cracking the 2 foot mark at just over 1.5 years old. She will be 2 years old Aug 22 this year.
She is really laid back. Not really foody at all and isnt insane about food like my other snakes until you actually give it to her. The other snakes even smell food thawing and they are up in arms. It's mostly the males too. Rango and Louie will track any movement at all but the females are mostly laid back.
Here is the actual pic of Gina's B-day. Shes in that mess of goo and babies somewhere lol.
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Thanks.
I guess you could keep them in a T10 but i personally dont. I keep my bigger boas in T25s and the babies/juveniles in T8s and T10s.
Males should get about 7 feet or so. Females about 8-9 feet. That's a general size, some may get bigger or be smaller depending on genetics, food etc.
The Pokigrons actually tend to stay smaller unlike the Suri basin boas. An 8 foot female, Poki would be on the rather large side and a nine footer would be huge. My friend here has a 10-11 year old female that is 6.5 feet that he just bred this past year and his male that is 9 years old is a bit under 6 feet.
According to Gus Rentfro and Stockl, the average female is 6.2 to 7.2 feet, and males a bit smaller.
http://www.boa-constrictors.com/en/b...rinam_pokigron
As Sauzo said the sizes can vary from snake to snake. I like the fact he keeps his girl in a T-25. Gina is a beautiful snake and she will utilize what he gives her for space.
My friend keeps his Pokis in 8 foot cages and allows them a huge temp gradient.
So Charles, if you are looking into the subspecies, plan on doing what Sauzo did and give some space.
Gina is smoking hot! That pattern is beautiful and clean.
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Yea... I would love to get one of these girls, but need to work out basement logistics.
:)
If I can figure out a future location for a 6-ft. enclosure, I will most certainly get a boa. Right now I have a T8 split for 2 snakes. I will soon be ordering another T8, or more probably a T10. Then I have a space for five T3's stacked. If I didn't get the fish tank set up, I would of had the 6-ft. spot.
Oh, well.
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Re: Gina the Rio Bravo Pokigron Suriname progression thread
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The Pokigrons actually tend to stay smaller unlike the Suri basin boas. An 8 foot female, Poki would be on the rather large side and a nine footer would be huge. My friend here has a 10-11 year old female that is 6.5 feet that he just bred this past year and his male that is 9 years old is a bit under 6 feet.
According to Gus Rentfro and Stockl, the average female is 6.2 to 7.2 feet, and males a bit smaller.
http://www.boa-constrictors.com/en/b...rinam_pokigron
As Sauzo said the sizes can vary from snake to snake. I like the fact he keeps his girl in a T-25. Gina is a beautiful snake and she will utilize what he gives her for space.
My friend keeps his Pokis in 8 foot cages and allows them a huge temp gradient.
So Charles, if you are looking into the subspecies, plan on doing what Sauzo did and give some space.
Gina is smoking hot! That pattern is beautiful and clean.
Yeah, Chris Wolf told me the parents are only about 6 feet or slightly bigger. He doesnt try and grow them huge. he tends to try and keep them smaller or in better shape.
And thanks. I am very pleased with Gina with her pretty symmetrical pattern and clean overall coloring. I love her little eyelashes too. Cant see them very well when she is in her light phase but when she goes dark phase, they stand out pretty good.
And atm Gina is in a T10. She will be moved to a T25 later or given Caesar's T25 if i get him a T65. Regardless, i got lots of time as Gina is still tiny and BCC grow like pain dries. I've had Gina almost a year and she has shed for me 2, maybe 3 times. But yeah, plan for a 6x3 for an adult boa. 8x3 foot would be even better and a stack of those would be freakin impressive. I'm still floored by how mammoth my 6x3 stack of 3 cages looks everytime i look at it lol. Here is a pic to give you an idea of the size. The left side is T10s and T8s while the right side is the T25s.
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IMO one of the nicest looking snakes on the forum.
The shape of a Healthy Suri boa is a thing of beauty.
Boa constrictors in general are great, loaf shapes.
Gina just kicks it up a notch.
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