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What a pair we make ---- I'm Aspergers / dyslexic :)


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Nice. Lol. I do have OCD, but the jury is still out on the ADD. Most things I do find myself starting and not finishing right away. But when it comes to Gods creatures, I can't seem to get enough. (Hope I didn't offend by using the word God)


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Do you have any pictures you can share?? Does the female incubate the eggs or do you have to remove them from her and place them in a warmer??


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Let me dig up some photos for you :)

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Thank you. That would be awesome. I love babies. Lol.


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I used an incubator that I built. Easier to control the environment.

Ugh you guys are not helping... need to resist the urge to get back into breeding!! Too much work ;)


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I used an incubator that I built. Easier to control the environment.

Ugh you guys are not helping... need to resist the urge to get back into breeding!! Too much work ;)


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I am in love...:P Soo cute!

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Nice. Lol. I do have OCD, but the jury is still out on the ADD. Most things I do find myself starting and not finishing right away. But when it comes to Gods creatures, I can't seem to get enough. (Hope I didn't offend by using the word God)


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I also have OCD "tendencies" not severe enough to really be OCD but still definitely there. Luckily, there are worse problems to have. :)

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I used an incubator that I built. Easier to control the environment.

Ugh you guys are not helping... need to resist the urge to get back into breeding!! Too much work ;)


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Those are some beautiful pictures. Why the difference in color between the little ones?? They are a lot longer at birth than I was thinking or those aren't balls. They look so much bigger than my little guy. Unless the pics are deceiving.


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Those are some beautiful pictures. Why the difference in color between the little ones?? They are a lot longer at birth than I was thinking or those aren't balls. They look so much bigger than my little guy. Unless the pics are deceiving.


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These photos were shot with a macro lens so that is probably why they look bigger. they can fit in the palm of your hand.

They are all ball pythons of average size for hatchlings. They are all different morphs, for the most part. The silvery one is a pewter, there is also a pastel, spider, and a cinnamon in there amongst some normals.

Eventually you will learn about the crazy amounts of genetic color/pattern morphs that ball pythons have. It is really awesome to mess around with.

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These photos were shot with a macro lens so that is probably why they look bigger. they can fit in the palm of your hand.

They are all ball pythons of average size for hatchlings. They are all different morphs, for the most part. The silvery one is a pewter, there is also a pastel, spider, and a cinnamon in there amongst some normals.

Eventually you will learn about the crazy amounts of genetic color/pattern morphs that ball pythons have. It is really awesome to mess around with.

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I want that light colored one. He looks pink in the pics. I love the odd morphs. I think that's why I'm drawn to my albino. He's different. I'm sure the price tag goes up with the different morphs as well. What one is the pewter?? What one is the pastel?? Are they harder to find??


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I want that light colored one. He looks pink in the pics. I love the odd morphs. I think that's why I'm drawn to my albino. He's different. I'm sure the price tag goes up with the different morphs as well. What one is the pewter?? What one is the pastel?? Are they harder to find??


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The pewter is the silvery pink dude. Pewter is just pastel + cinnamon. So a two gene snake. These are pretty common but they do not keep that same coloration as they get older.


The pastel is kind of hard to see. It is more yellow than the others. If you saw one in person you would notice a pastel has more blushing, yellow color, a clean white belly, and green eyes.

None of these are all that expensive. Check out morphmarket.com

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I want that light colored one. He looks pink in the pics. I love the odd morphs. I think that's why I'm drawn to my albino. He's different. I'm sure the price tag goes up with the different morphs as well. What one is the pewter?? What one is the pastel?? Are they harder to find??


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I'm guessing after a closer look and rereading you post, the "pink" is actually the pewter. He is gorgeous. I'm sure he would cost a pretty penny as well. Very beautiful babies.


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The pewter is the silvery pink dude. Pewter is just pastel + cinnamon. So a two gene snake. These are pretty common but they do not keep that same coloration as they get older.


The pastel is kind of hard to see. It is more yellow than the others. If you saw one in person you would notice a pastel has more blushing, yellow color, a clean white belly, and green eyes.

None of these are all that expensive. Check out morphmarket.com

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Is it possible to have twins?? I've seen two headed snakes before, but never two that look exactly the same. I'm looking at pics now online. These are awesome. I'm like a kid in a candy store looking at these. Thank you for sharing those of your babies.


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Is it possible to have twins?? I've seen two headed snakes before, but never two that look exactly the same. I'm looking at pics now online. These are awesome. I'm like a kid in a candy store looking at these. Thank you for sharing those of your babies.


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You can have twins, two snakes sharing an egg, but they will never have the exact same patterning. Kinda like how twin humans won't have all their freckles in the same spots.

Welcome to the addiction. There is a reason most people don't stop at one snake.

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You can have twins, two snakes sharing an egg, but they will never have the exact same patterning. Kinda like how twin humans won't have all their freckles in the same spots.

Welcome to the addiction. There is a reason most people don't stop at one snake.

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I'm so screwed!![emoji4][emoji4]. When I get my little guy under control, maybe after a year of zero complications, I'm gonna be getting another snake. The little handling is gonna be something for be to get used to though. I really want to pick up all those babies and cuddle with them. Lol.


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I'm so screwed!![emoji4][emoji4]. When I get my little guy under control, maybe after a year of zero complications, I'm gonna be getting another snake. The little handling is gonna be something for be to get used to though. I really want to pick up all those babies and cuddle with them. Lol.


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Lol. You say a year, I say 3 months. I can't remember how long it took me to get a second snake but it wasn't long!

You can handle them fairly often. Just not on feeding day and two days after. I understand the temptation to have them out all the time. Bps do fairly well with moderate handling as long as they are established feeders


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I'm so screwed!![emoji4][emoji4]. When I get my little guy under control, maybe after a year of zero complications, I'm gonna be getting another snake. The little handling is gonna be something for be to get used to though. I really want to pick up all those babies and cuddle with them. Lol.


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When the times right in a short while hopefully . .. You can handle them , just for short periods though , that's fine as long as they keep feeding well , if they suddenly went off their food after regular daily handling then that would be the time to reduce the handling of course ..

That's the beauty of having more than one snake but that's getting ahead of ourselves again :)

I guess Royals are just a little more sensitive about handing , generally speaking . My Pastel Royal literally eat out of my hands as he's monstrous feeder , almost Retic-like feeding response ...

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Lol. You say a year, I say 3 months. I can't remember how long it took me to get a second snake but it wasn't long!

You can handle them fairly often. Just not on feeding day and two days after. I understand the temptation to have them out all the time. Bps do fairly well with moderate handling as long as they are established feeders


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South Texas is known for having moderate humidity. Maybe I can lower the a/c in the house and open the doors and windows to help boost the humidity in the tank. Would putting a humidifier near his tank help any?? Just until I can get this worked out??


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When the times right in a short while hopefully . .. You can handle them , just for short periods though , that's fine as long as they keep feeding well , if they suddenly went off their food after regular daily handling then that would be the time to reduce the handling of course ..

That's the beauty of having more than one snake but that's getting ahead of ourselves again :)

I guess Royals are just a little more sensitive about handing , generally speaking . My Pastel Royal literally eat out of my hands as he's monstrous feeder , almost Retic-like feeding response ...

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I have read and was told not to hand feed. Now I want to try it. At some point, not anytime soon. I would love to be able to hand feed mine. I used to hand feed my iguanas all the time. Yes I know, different creature. Lol. But it still nice to be trusted that much by them.


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South Texas is known for having moderate humidity. Maybe I can lower the a/c in the house and open the doors and windows to help boost the humidity in the tank. Would putting a humidifier near his tank help any?? Just until I can get this worked out??


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Don't overthink this. No need for a humidifier. This thread is super long and I don't really feel like reading all the way back... did you say what substrate you are using? I assume glass tank?


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I have read and was told not to hand feed. Now I want to try it. At some point, not anytime soon. I would love to be able to hand feed mine. I used to hand feed my iguanas all the time. Yes I know, different creature. Lol. But it still nice to be trusted that much by them.


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Uh. Don't bother. Hand feeding is not a display of trust so much as it is an easy way to get accidentally bit. Just feed with tongs.


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It's an idea for sure . In the meantime keep spraying regularly especially on the days after their eyes clear until they've shed completely .

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Uh. Don't bother. Hand feeding is not a display of trust so much as it is an easy way to get accidentally bit. Just feed with tongs.


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Well, so much for that. I'm sure it hurts like hell when it by a bigger snake. I'm more afraid of him hurting himself if he bit me. I can get over it.


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I have read and was told not to hand feed. Now I want to try it. At some point, not anytime soon. I would love to be able to hand feed mine. I used to hand feed my iguanas all the time. Yes I know, different creature. Lol. But it still nice to be trusted that much by them.


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Don't get confused, hand feeding is a little misleading. They will eat out of your hand once you establish a good feeding response, most of mine do. But keep in mind, they are not gentile about it, they just want their food and they aren't going to let you holding it get in their way, be prepared to get tagged if they miss lol!

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I have read and was told not to hand feed. Now I want to try it. At some point, not anytime soon. I would love to be able to hand feed mine. I used to hand feed my iguanas all the time. Yes I know, different creature. Lol. But it still nice to be trusted that much by them.


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My error , he did strike feed off tongs a few years ago , I was holding him though . He was such a great feeder I just wondered if he'd strike whilst outside the viv .

I only did it once and always use tongs as a rule .

That said my adult Corn snake has in the past eaten OFF my hand but he's a special guy and has never struck , he just slides through the mouse like a whale feeding on plankton :) - very slow and gentile feeder .


I would never recommend this to anyone else . You just get to know your snakes over the years .

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Well, so much for that. I'm sure it hurts like hell when it by a bigger snake. I'm more afraid of him hurting himself if he bit me. I can get over it.


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Lol! Ball python bites, even from big ones are not that bad. It's mostly just surprising.

They slam their prey items pretty hard.. I think it would be pretty hard for a ball python to get hurt biting you unless you started waving it around or threw it lol.

So yeah, don't do that. Over time you will be able to read body language and see if a bite is imminent.

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Don't get confused, hand feeding is a little misleading. They will eat out of your hand once you establish a good feeding response, most of mine do. But keep in mind, they are not gentile about it, they just want their food and they aren't going to let you holding it get in their way, be prepared to get tagged if they miss lol!

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So it's possible but comes with risks... can he hurt himself if he tags me?? We haven't been able to get him to feed yet and we've had him for almost two weeks. Sunday will be three weeks without feeding. If I start of feeding by hand.... just very curious here. I'm not going to try anything new until we get him established.


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My error , he did strike feed off tongs a few years ago , I was holding him though . He was such a great feeder I just wondered if he'd strike whilst outside the viv .

I only did it once and always use tongs as a rule .

That said my adult Corn snake has in the past eaten OFF my hand but he's a special guy and has never struck , he just slides through the mouse like a whale feeding on plankton :) - very slow and gentile feeder .


I would never recommend this to anyone else . You just get to know your snakes over the years .

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That would be neat to see. How many years have you been handling snakes and what was you first one if you don't mind me asking?? Someone mentioned 20 years of experience and it may have been you, but I would have to go back through the thread to be sure.


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That would be neat to see. How many years have you been handling snakes and what was you first one if you don't mind me asking?? Someone mentioned 20 years of experience and it may have been you, but I would have to go back through the thread to be sure.


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Not me , less than 20 years for sure ..
The Corn I mentioned is just a special snake I guess , one of my elite as regards being completely trustworthy .. he's a beaut and well over 4' I'd say ...http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/2017...9d9493615c.jpg

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Not me , less than 20 years for sure ..
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He is such a bright color. Very nice. I like him.


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Oh my. The poor OP. This thread is all over the place. Reiz, gave good advice for the original post. That and a link to the care sheet was enough to get the OP started. I don't know, maybe its just me, but depending on the experience of the poster sometimes it may better serve the poster if you just thumbs up some good advice. We all know there are different ways to skin a cat but for newer people, step one, step two etc is probably better than so may different opinions. Unless I am dealing with an experienced person (many snakes and or many years of experience), I stick to the script because the script works 99% of the time. When I am dealing with an aberration, or thinking about crossing a line I will PM somebody and get private input. And finally, repeating someone else's advice without having experienced it yourself is not good. Know when you don't know.

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Oh my. The poor OP. This thread is all over the place. Reiz, gave good advice for the original post. That and a link to the care sheet was enough to get the OP started. I don't know, maybe its just me, but depending on the experience of the poster sometimes it may better serve the poster if you just thumbs up some good advice. We all know there are different ways to skin a cat but for newer people, step one, step two etc is probably better than so may different opinions. Unless I am dealing with an experienced person (many snakes and or many years of experience), I stick to the script because the script works 99% of the time. When I am dealing with an aberration, or thinking about crossing a line I will PM somebody and get private input. And finally, repeating someone else's advice without having experienced it yourself is not good. Know when you don't know.

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Yes I know we got way off topic a time or two, but most of the information I have received has been pretty much the same from person to person. I am very new to snakes and want to learn as much as I can about all aspects of owning them.


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Yes I know we got way off topic a time or two, but most of the information I have received has been pretty much the same from person to person. I am very new to snakes and want to learn as much as I can about all aspects of owning them.


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As long as you are getting something out of it. They have given you a lot of info. I got dizzy reading it. If you have not already, please go read the caresheet and weigh any advice you get against that. Good luck, these are easy guys to care care of when you follow the rules. All of us started out with "new baby syndrome".

https://ball-pythons.net/forums/show...ius)-Caresheet

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As long as you are getting something out of it. They have given you a lot of info. I got dizzy reading it. If you have not already, please go read the caresheet and weigh any advice you get against that. Good luck, these are easy guys to care care of when you follow the rules. All of us started out with "new baby syndrome".

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That phrase really fits me at this moment. I'm in love with the care sheet. GREAT information there. I was feeling very overwhelmed with everything. Not so much anymore. You people have been very helpful and encouraging. My biggest fear is failing my little guy.


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Hi,

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It may well be illegal , I'm not 100% certain ...

It's just not accepted or even talked about in snake circles or forums , I'm sure the odd one or few DO feed live behind closed doors . Pretty sure the RSPCA take action when alerted .

Best ask Dr Del on in here he's more knowledgeable and experienced on snakey matters tbh


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There is a cultural bias against live feeding over here. But the legal sitch is fairly straight forward;

It is not illegal to feed live mammals to your snakes - it can, in fact, be illegal not to if that is all your snake will eat and you allow it to cause suffering or harm to the reptile. Incidentally it is also illegal not to take your animal to a qualified vet if you know they require treatment.

It is illegal to buy any mammal before it is weaned ( or usually interpreted as six weeks of age in rodents ).

It is illegal to feed live for the purposes of entertainment or doing so in such a way it causes unnecessary stress or harm to either animal.

That's where the RSPCA or SSPCA would get involved.

It is worth noting however that the RSPCA and their inspectors have no more legal rights or powers than anyone else - think of them as being similar to the people volunteering in charity shops. You are absolutely within your rights to deny them access to your property or animals despite what they will try and convince you of.

The SSPCA ( the Scottish equivalent ) however do have more legal powers at their disposal. They also tend to know their bum from their elbow - not something the RSPCA has often demonstrated with reptiles.


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There is a cultural bias against live feeding over here. But the legal sitch is fairly straight forward;

It is not illegal to feed live mammals to your snakes - it can, in fact, be illegal not to if that is all your snake will eat and you allow it to cause suffering or harm to the reptile. Incidentally it is also illegal not to take your animal to a qualified vet if you know they require treatment.

It is illegal to buy any mammal before it is weaned ( or usually interpreted as six weeks of age in rodents ).

It is illegal to feed live for the purposes of entertainment or doing so in such a way it causes unnecessary stress or harm to either animal.

That's where the RSPCA or SSPCA would get involved.

It is worth noting however that the RSPCA and their inspectors have no more legal rights or powers than anyone else - think of them as being similar to the people volunteering in charity shops. You are absolutely within your rights to deny them access to your property or animals despite what they will try and convince you of.

The SSPCA ( the Scottish equivalent ) however do have more legal powers at their disposal. They also tend to know their bum from their elbow - not something the RSPCA has often demonstrated with reptiles.


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Interesting. Im from the US and like hearing about the differences from country to country. Thank you for the insight.


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Hi,



There is a cultural bias against live feeding over here. But the legal sitch is fairly straight forward;

It is not illegal to feed live mammals to your snakes - it can, in fact, be illegal not to if that is all your snake will eat and you allow it to cause suffering or harm to the reptile. Incidentally it is also illegal not to take your animal to a qualified vet if you know they require treatment.

It is illegal to buy any mammal before it is weaned ( or usually interpreted as six weeks of age in rodents ).

It is illegal to feed live for the purposes of entertainment or doing so in such a way it causes unnecessary stress or harm to either animal.

That's where the RSPCA or SSPCA would get involved.

It is worth noting however that the RSPCA and their inspectors have no more legal rights or powers than anyone else - think of them as being similar to the people volunteering in charity shops. You are absolutely within your rights to deny them access to your property or animals despite what they will try and convince you of.

The SSPCA ( the Scottish equivalent ) however do have more legal powers at their disposal. They also tend to know their bum from their elbow - not something the RSPCA has often demonstrated with reptiles.


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I hope I'm not offending anyone, but I have an...extreme dislike for most SPCA-type organizations. Just my experience, but they act very high and mighty and I've been told a million times that I don't take proper care of my animals. Two instances with them made me feel this way. I have two ducks and as ducklings I would let them run around the yard each day, under supervision. Our local animal welfare group heard about it from a nosy neighbor and informed me that they had legal power to "confiscate" my pets. I was distraught and asked them what would happen to my new ducks. I was told they would be released into a local lake. Ask any informed poultry owner and you will know that these are domesticated, not wild, runner ducks who cannot fly or escape predators. When I told the "animal welfare" group, they were very adamant, telling me that I was a terrible owner. It took me about three seconds of google searching to realize that they had zero right to enter my house or take my pets. I told them this much and they threatened legal action before leaving in a huff. Few months later and they arrived at my door. When I answered thee bell, I was holding my two leopard geckos. The woman from the welfare group took one look at them and freaked. She yelled at me for ten minutes about exotic animal "trafficking." I told her that both of my animals were CB, extremely healthy, and in a large, properly made enclosure. Then I shut the door and grabbed my phone. As I pretended to dial 911, she left in her car covered in the organization's logos. I never saw her or anyone else from that organization on my property again, but I took down the car's license plate and I have stayed clear of that "welfare" group. I've gotten similar responses from the PETA about my hunting and fishing. Yet another group of crazies pitching their radical ideas. Sorry for the rant, but it makes me absolutely furious. If they want to stop eating meat and using animal products, that's fine. But once they try to force those ideas onto me, I stop being neutral.

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I hope I'm not offending anyone, but I have an...extreme dislike for most SPCA-type organizations. Just my experience, but they act very high and mighty and I've been told a million times that I don't take proper care of my animals. Two instances with them made me feel this way. I have two ducks and as ducklings I would let them run around the yard each day, under supervision. Our local animal welfare group heard about it from a nosy neighbor and informed me that they had legal power to "confiscate" my pets. I was distraught and asked them what would happen to my new ducks. I was told they would be released into a local lake. Ask any informed poultry owner and you will know that these are domesticated, not wild, runner ducks who cannot fly or escape predators. When I told the "animal welfare" group, they were very adamant, telling me that I was a terrible owner. It took me about three seconds of google searching to realize that they had zero right to enter my house or take my pets. I told them this much and they threatened legal action before leaving in a huff. Few months later and they arrived at my door. When I answered thee bell, I was holding my two leopard geckos. The woman from the welfare group took one look at them and freaked. She yelled at me for ten minutes about exotic animal "trafficking." I told her that both of my animals were CB, extremely healthy, and in a large, properly made enclosure. Then I shut the door and grabbed my phone. As I pretended to dial 911, she left in her car covered in the organization's logos. I never saw her or anyone else from that organization on my property again, but I took down the car's license plate and I have stayed clear of that "welfare" group. I've gotten similar responses from the PETA about my hunting and fishing. Yet another group of crazies pitching their radical ideas. Sorry for the rant, but it makes me absolutely furious. If they want to stop eating meat and using animal products, that's fine. But once they try to force those ideas onto me, I stop being neutral.

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I couldn't agree more with you. People claiming to be experts about animal care and have no real knowledge. I'm not a hunter but I understand the principles behind it. I'm all for hunting as a food source or to control population. I'm not for trophy/sport hunting. Just my belief. I would never criticize someone who does though.


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I couldn't agree more with you. People claiming to be experts about animal care and have no real knowledge. I'm not a hunter but I understand the principles behind it. I'm all for hunting as a food source or to control population. I'm not for trophy/sport hunting. Just my belief. I would never criticize someone who does though.


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I only hunt for food, skin, and population control, but I would also never criticize trophy hunters or people who hunt for sport. Laws on this sort of hunting are so strict that it rarely adversely affects the population anyway. I just realized how off-topic we've gotten, maybe we should start a thread about these issues, instead of hijacking the OP's, lol :P

Lol. Does it count is I'm the one who started the thread?? [emoji23][emoji23]


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Oh hahahaha, I didn't even realize! Hijacking your own thread...how low can you get? :colbert:

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That's the ADD coming out in me. I have a tendency to all over the place. It's not on purpose mind you, it just happens. My apologies.


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That's the ADD coming out in me. I have a tendency to all over the place. It's not on purpose mind you, it just happens. My apologies.


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No, I was just joking! I started my off-topic rant anyway....:P

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I wasn't taking your comment offensive anyway. I will post an update on my little guy here in a few. He's looking a little better.


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He is looking a lot better, but his skin is coming off in small pieces no bigger than a dime. He's still got a lot of wrinkles. I'm curious as to how his belly is looking but I don't want to mess with him.


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He is looking a lot better, but his skin is coming off in small pieces no bigger than a dime. He's still got a lot of wrinkles. I'm curious as to how his belly is looking but I don't want to mess with him.


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He does look much better. I think he just needs to rest for a while in his enclosure with high humidity.

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He does look much better. I think he just needs to rest for a while in his enclosure with high humidity.

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I'm starting to relax now a little. Next step is to get him to feed on Sunday. Hope that is successful.


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I'm starting to relax now a little. Next step is to get him to feed on Sunday. Hope that is successful.


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Sunday isn't written in stone , you could leave him a day or so longer so he's nice and relaxed. I suppose . See what the others think ...

Most of mine will usually eat 2 days after shedding. Some will eat regardless of the shedding process. Like zinc said. Feeding is not set in stone. You WILL drive yourself crazy if you start worrying too much about when a ball python eats.

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Most of mine will usually eat 2 days after shedding. Some will eat regardless of the shedding process. Like zinc said. Feeding is not set in stone. You WILL drive yourself crazy if you start worrying too much about when a ball python eats.

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Sunday will be three weeks since his last meal. He better eat.


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