Firearms

I have my FFL/sot in use at my "Brick & Motar". I carry a fnp-45 in a cross breed everyday I am not at the fire Department. I would have it in the truck but My FD is on a military base so..... My current project is getting a personal tax stamp to make my scar 17 into a sbr using the 13" fn barrel assembly. I am also saving up for a MRAD now that the new barel conv. kits are out. I wish I had more time to shoot more than I get to.

anyone reload? I just got a dillion 650.

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Originally Posted by olstyn

Perhaps I should have said that the chance of it being inhumane is very high rather than that it's absolutely inhumane. That said, you're essentially picking linguistic nits in order to try to deflect the fact that I called you out on an inappropriate action after you declared yourself to be proud of it.



Glad to hear that what you did was not illegal in your area. It *is* illegal in many places, however, so I felt it pertinent to mention in case you had put yourself in a compromising position by posting about it on a public forum or in case there were others reading about it who were not aware of the potential legal concerns should they attempt to duplicate your actions.



I never said you couldn't achieve a lethal shot with it. Just about any gun can be lethal with perfect shot placement. The reason that I say it's likely to be inhumane is that your margin for error is MUCH smaller with a 20-grain .17 caliber projectile than with a larger round like a .270 or a .308. Wind drift can be an issue with a bullet of that size, leading to less certainty in shot placement. Tiny bullets at high velocities are also a significant fragmentation risk, which leads to concerns about low penetration. I'm not saying it can't be done, but rather that it's a very poor idea, and that even in a scenario where it's legal to use, *I* personally wouldn't be willing to take the chance.

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You called me out for something you thought to be illegal. Just because you think it's inappropriate doesn't make it so. That would be like me saying a girl in a two piece bikini is inappropriate, does it make it true? No, it doesn't. I'm also sorry that you don't have enough confidence to hit the vital area. With my FN Five-seveN which keep in mind is a pistol, but naturally a rifle round. I hit a deer size target(fake target, not a real animal) about 150 yards out. Now the FN is known for accuracy which is why I wanted to try this, and if the target was any smaller I most likely would of missed. Also keep in mind I was using iron sights as well, with no type of magnification.

The thing here is don't call somebody out if you're not ready for somebody to say something back, especially me. I don't hold my tongue.

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Originally Posted by SgtZabka

My favorite is my .338 Lapua...it makes a big boom..

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It does and it's a lovely gun. I almost bought one, but I couldn't justify spending $1800 on the gun alone without any optics. Then the price of the round at nearly $5 a round, I would never shoot it. lol

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Originally Posted by Expensive hobby

I would love to get a Sako TRG-42! I've sold many and owned none.

I'd also like a few of the Swarovski, Schmidt & Bender, and Zeiss Optics I've sold as well lol.

But to date my most expensive gun has been my $4300 trap gun. Shot at the state level with it. Even had a fully adjustable hydraulic buttstock. You could literally tune the compression, rebound, stroke length, lenth of pull, caster, camber, and toe. It was like a racecar suspension custom for to the gun haha.


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Savage makes a .338 Lapua it's the Savage 110 BA.

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Originally Posted by Neal

You called me out for something you thought to be illegal. Just because you think it's inappropriate doesn't make it so. That would be like me saying a girl in a two piece bikini is inappropriate, does it make it true? No, it doesn't. I'm also sorry that you don't have enough confidence to hit the vital area. With my FN Five-seveN which keep in mind is a pistol, but naturally a rifle round. I hit a deer size target(fake target, not a real animal) about 150 yards out. Now the FN is known for accuracy which is why I wanted to try this, and if the target was any smaller I most likely would of missed. Also keep in mind I was using iron sights as well, with no type of magnification.

The thing here is don't call somebody out if you're not ready for somebody to say something back, especially me. I don't hold my tongue.



It does and it's a lovely gun. I almost bought one, but I couldn't justify spending $1800 on the gun alone without any optics. Then the price of the round at nearly $5 a round, I would never shoot it. lol

Savage makes a .338 Lapua it's the Savage 110 BA.

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Wow didn't know savage made a lapua chambering. They didn't when I sold guns but that was years and years ago.

As much as I love Savage for price, accuracy and dependability, Sako's TRG is in a completely different class lol. Kinda like accuracy international, or Anschütz.


I like my Dubstep to go Wop Wop Wop Wop

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Originally Posted by Expensive hobby

Wow didn't know savage made a lapua chambering. They didn't when I sold guns but that was years and years ago.

As much as I love Savage for price, accuracy and dependability, Sako's TRG is in a completely different class lol. Kinda like accuracy international, or Anschütz.


I like my Dubstep to go Wop Wop Wop Wop

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I've shot that Savage, but I can't vouch for the other two brands as I've never shot their 338. The Savage I shot had the Nightforce NXS 12-42x56 scope on it. I zoomed in around 600 yards and I had the 12" target covering the scope lol. Anyways, at 600 yards I was nailing headshots. I fired 8 rounds, the first one was slightly off, so once I made the adjustmenets the other 7 shots hit spot in. It has a great muzzle brake thankfully, because my shoulder was killing me lol.

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Originally Posted by Neal

You called me out for something you thought to be illegal. Just because you think it's inappropriate doesn't make it so.

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I have killed many hogs with .22 mags.............. while in a trap. Would I try it with one on the run? No. Could I do it? Yes.
Morally or ethically it is wrong in my eyes to kill anything just to kill it and/or gamble on how quickly you can kill it. When I squeeze my trigger its because I am confident that it will be DRT and I wont have to track it at all. I have never taken a shot is there was any question and yes that includes an under powered round.
My .17 Mach II will punch paper out to 200 yards in dime sized groups all day everyday. Would I try to shoot a squirrel at that range? No, there is not enough velocity left in the round out there.


All that aside, this is the other reason I said no to your offer, I am tired of seeing all of the other stupid pissing matches here and a gun room can and will just add to it.

My favorite of all my firearms is my custom built F-Class 6.5x284. Took about 6 months to build and traveled the country during construction.

Robertson fiberglass stock with adjustable cheekpiece and 3 way buttplate bedded by Alex Sittman, Broughton 31" barrel chambered by Carl Bernosky, Panda action, Jewell trigger at 3oz and a Nightforce 12-42x50mm scope.

Will shoot 0.300 MOA at 300yds and well under MOA at 600yds and 1000yds. It was purpose built for match use and I generally shoot every month at 600yds in Palm Bay, FL.

http://i254.photobucket.com/albums/h...ps8e3a4c40.jpg

1000yd practice session:
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600yd match target. The outside of the white line on 10 ring is 6" diameter and the 22 shot group measures 4.005" ;)
http://i254.photobucket.com/albums/h...Class600-1.jpg

I also reload for everything I own. Pistol stuff is done on a Dillon RL550B and my match brass is done one at a time on a Lee single stage press for precision.

Just a pic of my bench and a video I made for a few members on another forum who wanted to know how I loaded match brass.

http://i254.photobucket.com/albums/h...429_144617.jpg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J7chge1iQJ8

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I have killed many hogs with .22 mags.............. while in a trap. Would I try it with one on the run? No. Could I do it? Yes.
Morally or ethically it is wrong in my eyes to kill anything just to kill it and/or gamble on how quickly you can kill it. When I squeeze my trigger its because I am confident that it will be DRT and I wont have to track it at all. I have never taken a shot is there was any question and yes that includes an under powered round.
My .17 Mach II will punch paper out to 200 yards in dime sized groups all day everyday. Would I try to shoot a squirrel at that range? No, there is not enough velocity left in the round out there.


All that aside, this is the other reason I said no to your offer, I am tired of seeing all of the other stupid pissing matches here and a gun room can and will just add to it.

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I get what both of you mean, but I didn't think it was wrong because I knew my ability and the distance. We were upwind of the deer and it had no idea. He was eating grass when I took the shot and he wasn't that far away. I've never had to track anything that I've shot and I only take sure shots as well bro.

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Originally Posted by coreydelong

My favorite of all my firearms is my custom built F-Class 6.5x284. Took about 6 months to build and traveled the country during construction.

Robertson fiberglass stock with adjustable cheekpiece and 3 way buttplate bedded by Alex Sittman, Broughton 31" barrel chambered by Carl Bernosky, Panda action, Jewell trigger at 3oz and a Nightforce 12-42x50mm scope.

Will shoot 0.300 MOA at 300yds and well under MOA at 600yds and 1000yds. It was purpose built for match use and I generally shoot every month at 600yds in Palm Bay, FL.

http://i254.photobucket.com/albums/h...ps8e3a4c40.jpg

1000yd practice session:
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600yd match target. The outside of the white line on 10 ring is 6" diameter and the 22 shot group measures 4.005" ;)
http://i254.photobucket.com/albums/h...Class600-1.jpg

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I love it dude. I've yet to find a range that I can shoot 1000 yards, or even a few hundred here. I was up North when I was able to shoot that Savage.

So anyone had a chance to look at one of these? Opinions?http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/02/14/emepa7a2.jpg

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Bullpups have never been my bowl of rice. Got a chance to shoot several different models when I was active. You know how it is when you train with a foreign service, the first thing you want to do is shoot the other guys weapons LOL. Did some training back in the late 80's with the Canadian SOR, and they carried the only bullpup type rifle that I would consider owning as a personal weapon. I can't remember the designation of it, but I remember it being a gas operated AR type action in a bullpup configuration. I think it was chambered in 5.56, but I can't really remember now.

I like that it can switch over to eject out the left side for those of us that are left handed, BUT it according to the manual the headspace has to unchecked with. A go-no go gauge which requires a trip back to IWI. A 9mm conversion kit is supposedly available that the end user can install and use.

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I like that it can switch over to eject out the left side for those of us that are left handed

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That's a very sweet feature.

Bullpups are nice for CQB, but I would never use one for anything past say 50 yards. I've shot a P90 before, wonderful gun, but wasn't overly impressed with it.

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Originally Posted by Neal

Bullpups are nice for CQB, but I would never use one for anything past say 50 yards. I've shot a P90 before, wonderful gun, but wasn't overly impressed with it.

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Out of curiosity, why not? By definition, a bullpup shortens overall length without sacrificing barrel length, so range and accuracy wouldn't suffer in comparison to a traditional format with the same bolt/action/barrel specs. All you're doing is moving the trigger fwd of the action.

The P90 is an AWFUL example, though. Not that it's bad for what it is, but being a PDW, it's not going to perform at anywhere near what a bullpup rifle with a longer barrel can do.

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Not big on bullpups at all, lost most of my hearing in my left ear from a 10/22 conversion I did some 20 years ago. I was so hot to trot to shoot it that I was not thinking about anything else. Before I could let off the trigger I had 3 or 4 hot casings stuck in my ear. The ringing has never stopped either.

and Neal the only difference is no stock so the distance performance is the same as the original weapon for distance. Shooter comfort is the problem and lack of bipod for a steady rest.

I don't particularly care for them myself. I can understand the logic for the militaries who have adopted them. If a soldier has to clear a building with a standard infantry weapon, then by all means, make that weapon as maneuverable as possible. Bullpup configurations do just that. The problem is that you're still firing a rifle round, and that means a higher risk of collateral damage. Whether it's due to budget constraints, or the need to keep weight down, it's a trade off.

Personally, if I were clearing a building and had the option to choose my weapon, I'm going with a H&K UMP45. There's a much lower risk of overpenetration, it's an extremely effective round, and being subsonic, there's no need to reduce the powder charge when using a suppressor.

Plus, I think bullpups are ugly as sin!


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Out of curiosity, why not? By definition, a bullpup shortens overall length without sacrificing barrel length, so range and accuracy wouldn't suffer in comparison to a traditional format with the same bolt/action/barrel specs. All you're doing is moving the trigger fwd of the action.

The P90 is an AWFUL example, though. Not that it's bad for what it is, but being a PDW, it's not going to perform at anywhere near what a bullpup rifle with a longer barrel can do.

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Probably just from the feel and maybe the odd look. I couldn't justify any reasons besides those two.

I'm not sure if all of them have horrible mag placement, but having the mag behind the trigger to me is an odd feeling, especially since I'm right handed. So having to go behind my right hand or use my right hand to change the mag would just feel awkward. I'm not saying I couldn't get used to it, just prefer not to. Also my biggest thing is if SHTF scenario, ar15 parts are way more common than bullpup.

A case in point in why I love my two Glocks. I love my FN Five-seveN as well, but if something breaks on it then I'm literally screwed.

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Originally Posted by Neal

Probably just from the feel and maybe the odd look. I couldn't justify any reasons besides those two.

I'm not sure if all of them have horrible mag placement, but having the mag behind the trigger to me is an odd feeling, especially since I'm right handed. So having to go behind my right hand or use my right hand to change the mag would just feel awkward. I'm not saying I couldn't get used to it, just prefer not to. Also my biggest thing is if SHTF scenario, ar15 parts are way more common than bullpup.

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:confusd::confusd::confusd: AK/AR/ 10/22----- What do you think they are made from? The weapon system is the same for the most part, the stock is the change. I am however talking about the conversions and not the dedicated factory builds.
You would still do mag changes with your left hand, you just unshoulder the weapon first.
I wont get on the block debate, I will leave this at to each his/her own............ EOTW I will keep my good old Ruger P89 or a 1911.

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Originally Posted by PitOnTheProwl

:...EOTW I will keep my good old Ruger P89 or a 1911.

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I'm with you on that one!

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My girl's dad built this for me. It started as a Springfield Mil-Spec, but it's got XS Big Dot sights, an extended thumb safety, beavertail grip safety, adjustable match trigger, carry bevel treatment, and refinished in RoGuard over NP3. The feed ramp is mirror polished, rails are tightened, and the barrel was throated from the factory. Nothing was done in terms of accuracy, since it's already more accurate than me. The target in the picture was shot from the bench with the factory barrel, linkage, and bushing. The first 3 of 5 rounds all went through the same hole.

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:confusd::confusd::confusd: AK/AR/ 10/22----- What do you think they are made from? The weapon system is the same for the most part, the stock is the change. I am however talking about the conversions and not the dedicated factory builds.
You would still do mag changes with your left hand, you just unshoulder the weapon first.
I wont get on the block debate, I will leave this at to each his/her own............ EOTW I will keep my good old Ruger P89 or a 1911.

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The system is the same, but the parts aren't interchangeable. I couldn't take parts from a Steyr Aug and put them in my AR15. Bolts, bolt carriers are going to be different. That's what I meant by parts aren't interchangeable. I still prefer my magazine in front of my dominant hand so I never have to unshoulder my weapon to change a mag.

My baby:
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Originally Posted by Neal

The system is the same, but the parts aren't interchangeable. I couldn't take parts from a Steyr Aug and put them in my AR15.

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That's NOT what I said or meant. AR parts will go in an AR based pup and so on.............

Mounted a cheap red dot on my AR and going to sight it in, in the morning. May try to bump fire it too. Never tried it but it looks like fun...

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That's NOT what I said or meant. AR parts will go in an AR based pup and so on.............

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I misread what you meant, or you misunderstood what I meant then, sorry :P.

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Mounted a cheap red dot on my AR and going to sight it in, in the morning. May try to bump fire it too. Never tried it but it looks like fun...

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Red dots are good, another option is the Primary Arms 2.5x compact illuminated scope. It wasn't far off from just mounting it.

I just had this scope laying around. Just something so I can go shoot. I'd like to put a 3-9x40 on it to hunt with, but I'd also like something for up close. Haven't really figured out what direction I'm headed with it yet.

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I just had this scope laying around. Just something so I can go shoot. I'd like to put a 3-9x40 on it to hunt with, but I'd also like something for up close. Haven't really figured out what direction I'm headed with it yet.

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A GOOD red-dot with a magnifier.

I'm partial to the Aimpoints. I had a M68CCO, back when they were the Comp ML3 I believe. It had all the NV settings, as well as factory flip-ups.

I had it mounted with an A.R.M.S QD mount with Co-Witness Spacer. Held under MOA every time you took it off and re-mounted. Just put it on the right marked number rail and you were G2G.


I like my Dubstep to go Wop Wop Wop Wop

I like me strikefire for $130
Cant go wrong
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Just hit the Dulles expo gun show...picked up a Smith and Wesson M&P .40 for concealed carry!! :D

EOTech red dots are OK. Only problem is that the red dot is 1 MOA in size. Slap a 3x magnifier behind it and now you have a 3 MOA dot....

I am in the process of getting rid of any optic that is battery operated.
Call it my paranoia but I would rather have non reliant optics.
Sad part is every rifle I have is either a red dot OR illuminated reticle.

I have used many scopes.... EOTech, Weaver, Burris, B&L, Simmons, Leupold, Sightron and NightForce.

IMHO the best value for your dollar is Sightron.... even for 1000yd long range match use. They stack up to a $2000 NightForce and even a $4000 March for under $1000.

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Originally Posted by coreydelong

I have used many scopes.... EOTech, Weaver, Burris, B&L, Simmons, Leupold, Sightron and NightForce.

IMHO the best value for your dollar is Sightron.... even for 1000yd long range match use. They stack up to a $2000 NightForce and even a $4000 March for under $1000.

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March scopes? Never heard of them.


I like my Dubstep to go Wop Wop Wop Wop

Sighted in my AR this am. Didn't have much time so I only shot it at 50 yards. Shot great and a tiny grouping as expected. I also bump fired it! My father in law was walking up behind me when I did it and he freaked out. He was asking what I had done to it to make it shoot full auto:D it ran through the mag a little too quick. He made a video of me bump firing 10 rounds but it is on his phone. I'm going to have to get him to send it to me later. Maybe I can post it on here

I'm a fan of simplicity. :)http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/02/16/atu9y8u9.jpg

Some of the best shooters at my club use March scopes- most others use NF, Leupold or Sightron. All our rifles are about equal cost less scopes. I do not see the $2K difference in quality between a NightForce or Sightron and a March. Shooting prone in the heat of FL is all about the mirage and a March will not cut it any better than a NF or Sightron.

http://marchscopes.com/

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I'm a fan of simplicity. :)http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/02/16/atu9y8u9.jpg

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Me Too :gj:

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Me Too :gj:

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Ohhh...that's purty...:gj:

Me on range day

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Me on range day

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And now I'm in love....:worship:

Playing with the .308 at 1000yds.....

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Results on a 10" AR500 steel plate....

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My son at the 1000yd line at a match in TN. We placed 2nd and 3rd out of 10 shooters in our class using the same rifle on back to back on three 20 shot strings. Barrel was still hot when we got back to the hotel. The day before I took first at 600yds and he took 3rd. Dad taught him how to play with the big boys pretty well ;)

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Playing with the .308 at 1000yds.....

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Too bad you couldn't find a LARGE scope...

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[QUOTE=coreydelong;2220076] We placed 2nd and 3rd out of 10 shooters in our class using the same rifle on back to back on three 20 shot strings. Barrel was still hot when we got back to the hotel. QUOTE]

Good job! Nice shooting

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Me on range day

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Where do y'all shoot at? Those benches look nice, I'm sure I've never been there. Usually I go to our property in Sparta, but from time to time I go to Charlie Elliot or the Dekalb county police range.

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Too bad you couldn't find a LARGE scope...

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It's a NightForce NXS 12-42x56mm, NF2 reticle, 1/8 MOA turrets, with a 3" light shade screwed on the end. Same scope as on my custom 6.5x284. 20 MOA base on the .308 and the action on my custom rig has a 20 MOA Davidson rail machined into the Panda F Class action.

Just the rifle parts and custom work ran about $4500 less scope. I have 3 barrels laying around for it and I'm getting ready to do a straight .284 build for myself since my son seems to have taken over my 6.5x284 at matches.

Photo bomb of the assembly....

Last known Robertson's glass stock to be made before they closed up shop. Alex Sittman of Master Class stocks did all the stock and bedding work. Bare stock before custom work...

http://i254.photobucket.com/albums/h...uns/MC_001.jpg

Devcon bedded stock with 3 aluminum pillars...

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Thumb screw cheek riser and 3 way adjustable butt pad....

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Bare Panda F Class action with fluted bolt...

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Panda F Class action installed...

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Jewell trigger set to 5oz. Just blow on it!!

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Custom trigger guard....

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31" custom Broughton Barrel installed...

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Finished product with a little flare. Vipers Den custom front rest at 35# ($1388- all aluminum, stainless and brass) with a custom Protektor cordura rear bag....

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Where do y'all shoot at? Those benches look nice, I'm sure I've never been there. Usually I go to our property in Sparta, but from time to time I go to Charlie Elliot or the Dekalb county police range.

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We shoot at a private range down in Macon county. It's just down the road from our hunting club. We used to shoot at a range near Dublin, but this one is muuuuuch closer to where we live. It's a really well maintained range, and they have competitions nearly every weekend.

Last match I attended. Tought to only drop one point and end up in 2nd (two years in a row!!)....

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Next match is a Regional match at the end of February (Orange Blossom Regional) in Palm Bay, FL. 70 some competitors last year and I placed 5th behind only State, National or World Champion shooters. My goal this year is to win a regional match.... high aspirations for someone who has not shot a match since November 2013.....

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Playing with the .308 at 1000yds.....

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Is that a chamber plug in your gun?


I like my Dubstep to go Wop Wop Wop Wop

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Is that a chamber plug in your gun?


I like my Dubstep to go Wop Wop Wop Wop

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Yep..

The photographer doesn't like standing in front of the hot end of a barrel with a closed bolt :O

We were just sighting in and putting in our "come-ups" going from 600yds to 1000yds.

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Yep..

The photographer doesn't like standing in front of the hot end of a barrel with a closed bolt :O

We were just sighting in and putting in our "come-ups" going from 600yds to 1000yds.

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Haha that's funny. For the sake of the photo maybe he'd be ok with a snap-cap in the chamber instead?


I like my Dubstep to go Wop Wop Wop Wop

That .308 was basically a factory rifle..... R700, 26" Varmint barrel and stock action were used as a donor.... new for $500.

B&C Medalist stock with pillar bedding, cheekpiece riser and adjustable butt pad for $400 from Stocky's Stocks. Jewell trigger set to 6oz, NightForce 20MOA Piccatany rail, Harris Bi-pod and the NF NXS scope. Less scope the project was about $1200.

Every .308 I have owned loves to run 185g Bergers right on the lands with 44.0g of Varget or IMR-4064.

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I am in the process of getting rid of any optic that is battery operated.
Call it my paranoia but I would rather have non reliant optics.
Sad part is every rifle I have is either a red dot OR illuminated reticle.

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Yea, I want to get the Trijicon ACOG, but I don't want to shell out $900 on an optic. I enjoy my $250 Primary Arms with a 2.5x magnification that's powered by one of those large, flat circle batteries :P