Cobra

I need to step in here.

On the one hand, you're making a "club" or whatever you want to call it, that does exactly what BP.net is here to do? If you want to be helpful, then just get out there and be helpful.

On the other hand, if you believe that your group can somehow be MORE helpful simply by being a group that works together, then maybe there is something to it.

There is no rule against such a group, although there IS a rule against soliciting monies for ANYthing without explicit permission from administrators, so that needs to stop right now.

It needs to be perfectly clear that this sort of group is not endorsed or encouraged by the BP.net administrators, but neither is it forbidden...so long as it operates within the rules/TOS of BP.net and does not become a chronic source of friction.

Sorry; Deborah mentioned something about trying to get the Platinum cost split between members of our group yesterday, so we thought it was OK.

And yes; my thought is that we can be more helpful by working together.


Is there anything else that needs to be adjusted to bring this more into line with the BP.net TOS??

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Originally Posted by Mephibosheth1

Is there anything else that needs to be adjusted to bring this more into line with the BP.net TOS??

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Not that I can think of right now, but we'll be watching...not because we WANT anything to go wrong, but because this is something new that has the potential to have either a positive OR a very negative influence on the site. We'll see.

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Originally Posted by Mephibosheth1

Sorry; Deborah mentioned something about trying to get the Platinum cost split between members of our group yesterday, so we thought it was OK.

And yes; my thought is that we can be more helpful by working together.


Is there anything else that needs to be adjusted to bring this more into line with the BP.net TOS??

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I did not say to use the forum for that, if you guys want to do this privately and have your own forum it's one thing using the forum is another.

I usually don't like to ruffle feathers and try not to post personal opinion too often as it is often mistaken for staff opinion but here it goes

This is my personal opinion and personal opinion only as a member not a staff member.

It amazes me to see how much some people want to fit in just like if they were back in high school, wanted to be part of some cool kid click/club/group.

You are not creating anything new here with your concept, BP.net is a forum where people already seek advice and find people willing to help them.

So what would this group bring to the table that is not already there?

More combined advanced experience that people here do not provide?

Cool name?

Sugar coating vs truth even when people make mistakes?

Kumbaya camp experience?

No longer derailing threads? (Interestingly enough the same people suggesting this group have caused many derailment all across the board)

For those wanted to be active part of this group what is this about? Is it about being able to be part of the cool kids? Is it because you lack the confidence to offer advice alone and you need to have a group to back you up?

Why not be an individual and offer help to those that needs it? Do you need to be a group to do that? I sure know I don't.

Sorry; I think we got a little too excited...

Its OK if we talk o each other in PMs about this though, right?? Again not trying to Break any rules, just want to make sure.


And we appreciate your keeping an ion us; we want to make sure we're not doing anything wrong.

I know we have at least five members so far who are joining, not because they want to be popular, but because they see a Benefit to uniting together in their endeavor to help others out.

Maybe I'm wrong; maybe most of the people who join do just want to be popular. But only time will give us the answer.

Just an extra $0.02, for those of you pooling for donations - Wouldn't that money be better spent donated to protect our rights as keepers (USARK, etc.)? Or at least matched for that cause? I know it took me way too long to become a contributing (paying) member of this site, but the debt I owe for the knowledge I have gained far outweighs a measly $50-75 a year. However, when money was too tight for even that, I still found a way to donate to USARK.

I for one am NOT going to read through 11 pages of this unless my MOD position requires me to.
I do not see the point of creating a group within BP.Net?
This seems to be an attempt to create a clique within forum to try and have a majority rules.
Problem is it all is on BP.Net and still falls under the rules of the board.
I personally would think it would be better to pool all your monies and buy or launch your own forum.
Then you could make your own rules to play by?

Take it for what you all want but make sure you fall under the TOS of this site.

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Originally Posted by Deborah

I usually don't like to ruffle feathers and try not to post personal opinion too often as it is often mistaken for staff opinion but here it goes

This is my personal opinion and personal opinion only as a member not a staff member.

It amazes me to see how much some people want to fit in just like if they were back in high school, wanted to be part of some cool kid click/club/group.

You are not creating anything new here with your concept, BP.net is a forum where people already seek advice and find people willing to help them.

So what would this group bring to the table that is not already there?

More combined advanced experience that people here do not provide?

Cool name?

Sugar coating vs truth when people make mistakes?

Kumbaya camp experience?

No longer derailing threads? (Interestingly enough the same people suggesting this group have caused many derailment all across the board)

For those wanted to be active part of this group what is this about? Is it about being able to be part of the cool kids? Is it because you lack the confidence to offer advice alone and you need to have a group to back you up?

Why not be an individual and offer help to those that needs it? Do you need to be a group to do that? I sure know I don't.

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Thank you good lord I'm glad I'm not the only one who feels this way. Its like a group of people who applied to be in club and then got rejected so they started their own. This forum is all about helping people and many experienced people on here love being on here and comb over every thread the advice people get is good why fix something that isn't broken? And on a side note Neal just because Somebody thought the idea wasnt good and They hurt your little feelings that doesnt mean you need to skip straight to giving them neative rep... did you do that for everybody who didnt think the idea was a good one! anybody else feel the wrath of neal? Grow up kid

So far it seems like more bad than good is coming out of this group (like how people question the groups' purpose and being overall sceptical) which, in my opinion, isn't the best way to get new members and make current members to stay and enjoy this forum. I'm not dissing the idea of the group just yet, and I'm curious on how it will work out. All I can say is that I'm neutral towards this group. But I don't feel like I need to join this group to give members my opinions on the their questions and whatnot, so I chose to stay out of it.

Yeh well, that's all I wanted to say, lol. :)

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Originally Posted by zach_24_90

anybody else feel the wrath of neal? Grow up kid

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yup. :) i got a lovely little PM from neal today. he was kind enough to let me know there's a lot of people on here who don't like me and i need to chill on the "trolling." i was kind enough to direct him to the "ignore" button on my profile.

This all seems pretty silly to me :rolleyes: We're all going to answer the same threads, more or less nicely, with or without a band of cobras.

Taking all of the controversial topics in this thread to PM would be advisable at this point; from the outsider's eye, this all looks like snide namecalling and bickering over things that, in the grand scheme of things, don't change much in the way the forum operates.

Keeping a cool head and enthusing about the animals we love is what we're all about.

I read the mission statement and I don't understand, what does this benefit....

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First off, our primary mission will be to help new members of this forum with their reptile related questions. As an organized group of knowledgeable, encouraging, and kind reptile owners, we will do our best to spread reliable, practical advice to those who we come across.Second, we will work TOGETHER to make sure that we provide the best info possible. Sometimes we may not agree on every husbandry aspect, but that doesn’t make one of our ways right or wrong.

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You should check out bp.net, they kinda do the same thing imo

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If a member begins to get a “Holier-than-Thou” attitude, they may be removed from COBRA membership.

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This sparks the question and I think root problem, what does being a part of this group actually do, also what does not being part of this group do? As apparently not being a part of it is obviously a punishment.

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Third, we will not be Trolls or Bullies. Constrictive criticism should be more constructive and less criticism. We have come together to prevent our fellow forum members from being beset by the wolves who sometimes pick on the newer, less experienced ones. However, we must beware that in our attempt to prevent trolls, we do not stoop down to their level.

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Don't mods do this?

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Fourth, since we are a group, we can always be there for each other on the forum. When we see one of our members ask a question, be there to help them. If you see them answering a question, chime in along with them. Be active in the Random Chat and Chatbox too……we like to have company. It will be nice to know that we can always count on each other for friendly conversation and assistance.

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See my first comment.

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Fifth, if you have concerns or suggestions about how the club could be run better, or you notice one of our members who is not playing nice, let me know. We will get a “review board” of 3 DIFFERENT members (not including myself and the person who contacted me) to review the person’s membership. I know that you all will never end up in this situation, so there isn’t any real need for this.

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See my 2nd comment.


I understand your intentions are good, but from a completely 3rd person view, I'm not seeing the benefit. I saw you were discussing the platinum membership forum, which I could create the forum, there no reason to talk about money, I donate to bp.net every year regardless. I just dont see any benefit from another forum either. I mean we have a introduce yourself forum, we have the bp section, we have the retic section, we have one for every type of animal. I would have to assume new member are going to post in these sections anyways and that's where the effort will need to be anyways.

I think your efforts might be better spent doing the work you indented to do with the club and not so much worry about the club itself. Either that or I need some sort of explanation to how this benefits us.

Since nobody asked, here'e my prediction.

Unsuccess. Valiant effort will be made, but you're trying to re-invent the wheel and you're not doing it as well as the one you're helping to assist does already.

Just look at the division already and you can bet there are more who have said nothing than there those who have spoken up. Doomed comes to mind.

And since nobody asked my opinion, here it is. Drop the cobra stuff and just participate in the site. Start a forum for you and your friends, you cobra guys, to talk about stuff you don't want on the general boards, do your helpful member thing, but do it completely on the down low, you know, sort of like it's already being done by most who help regularly.

You're making waves and drawing lines in sand and I'm not positive you guys even know that's what you're doing. If you do then I am sure you don't know how to deal with the fallout sure to come.

I just don't see this working out well.

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Originally Posted by TheSnakeGeek

yup. :) i got a lovely little PM from neal today. he was kind enough to let me know there's a lot of people on here who don't like me and i need to chill on the "trolling." i was kind enough to direct him to the "ignore" button on my profile.

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Haha glad I'm not the only one. I see somebody's true colors are starting to come through. Somebody's got a little Napoleon complex

On some the other forums, we play a game called werewolf. In this game a town (fictional) is beset by a group of ravenous werewolves, or mafia members. The only way that the town members have a figuring out who is the werewolf who is the normal town member is through random name-calling, accusations, and past experiences with the previous game.

There is usually a group of individuals who played "freemasons". They all know that the other members in their group are confirmed town. Therefore, they don't have to waste time trying to eliminate each other. This is the benefit that I see from having this club. By selecting specifically the members we want in this club, we can be sure that we can count on each other. We can be sure no one in the group will give bad advice




Since public opinion seems to have turned against the idea, I will put it to those who would have joined us: what do you think?? Is this just an excise for a power trip, or is this something that you feel would benefit the forum??

Our "members have been kinda quiet in this most recent discussion...now's your chance for input.


Neal, Anya, serpent merchant, crepers, mootworn, etc.
We need to know what you feel about this.

I really haven't encountered an active member on this forum giving out bad advice. No one has told a new member to ditch the t-stat, toss a few crickets in and spritz them with Sprite to my knowledge.

I honestly didn't expect it to get this out of hand. I was envisioning a group of people that could keep an eye on new threads, or threads that are lacking advice/opinions. Basically a promotional group that helps struggling threads. For example, if someone posts a question regarding X species, we could direct JoeSchmoe123, who has extensive knowledge about X species, to said thread and weigh in on the topic. Maybe I was way off base.

Perhaps I should clarify....trolling/bashing the new guys

Maybe yall don't see it as an issue, but this is something I count myself as fortunate to have not encountered when I first joined.

I saw a thread the first week I joined. Someone asked what they should get for their new snake. Next thing you know, there were 4 pages of "You idiot, why didn't you get a thermostat??" and "You shouldn't be allowed to get a snake without proper knowledge first".

NOT COOL!!!!!

Still waiting for more "member" input.....

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Originally Posted by MootWorm

I honestly didn't expect it to get this out of hand. I was envisioning a group of people that could keep an eye on new threads, or threads that are lacking advice/opinions. Basically a promotional group that helps struggling threads. For example, if someone posts a question regarding X species, we could direct JoeSchmoe123, who has extensive knowledge about X species, to said thread and weigh in on the topic. Maybe I was way off base.

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That was what I envisioned as well....a little helpful sub-community here.

Maybe I expected too much; perhaps this is why there is so much difficulty in the herp world. People cannot unite together calmly and peacefully for a new idea, and those who do are viewed as a "goodie-two-shoe" club who are excluding people.

Other thoughts??

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Originally Posted by Mephibosheth1

On some the other forums, we play a game called werewolf. In this game a town (fictional) is beset by a group of ravenous werewolves, or mafia members. The only way that the town members have a figuring out who is the werewolf who is the normal town member is through random name-calling, accusations, and past experiences with the previous game.

There is usually a group of individuals who played "freemasons". They all know that the other members in their group are confirmed town. Therefore, they don't have to waste time trying to eliminate each other. This is the benefit that I see from having this club. By selecting specifically the members we want in this club, we can be sure that we can count on each other. We can be sure no one in the group will give bad advice




Since public opinion seems to have turned against the idea, I will put it to those who would have joined us: what do you think?? Is this just an excise for a power trip, or is this something that you feel would benefit the forum??

Our "members have been kinda quiet in this most recent discussion...now's your chance for input.


Neal, Anya, serpent merchant, crepers, mootworn, etc.
We need to know what you feel about this.

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I like the idea of having the group, the people that are against it have made some good points though. however maybe the group could be more of a private group where we can learn from each other. each member makes a pledge to not get into arguements or causes problems in the public domain here. Whereas we are just a group on the forums that are trying to make friends and make an impact in the reptile community

Meph I am going to also email this to you privately

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Originally Posted by MootWorm

I honestly didn't expect it to get this out of hand. I was envisioning a group of people that could keep an eye on new threads, or threads that are lacking advice/opinions. Basically a promotional group that helps struggling threads. For example, if someone posts a question regarding X species, we could direct JoeSchmoe123, who has extensive knowledge about X species, to said thread and weigh in on the topic. Maybe I was way off base.

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Your reply has two parts. The first part is accomplished by the mods and admin. Plain as day that's their job to supervise. Next, the last part, we all pretty much do that already. So again, this is pointless.

I don't wanna be in this, no thank you. I was only joking and being sarcastic before, it's what i do, and why i'd get kicked out of COBRA in record time lol.

If i wanted to feel important i'd try out for the police academy, not mall security with paul blart :p

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Originally Posted by zach_24_90

Your reply has two parts. The first part is accomplished by the mods and admin. Plain as day that's their job to supervise. Next, the last part, we all pretty much do that already. So again, this is pointless.

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Exactly. I do this all the time, sometimes through Pm too.

Ironically enough.... Zach, weren't you the one that i PM'd like 6months ago about that quad male a local breeder to me had available? I know you didn't get him bc he was too small at the time, but it proves my point.

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Originally Posted by zach_24_90

Your reply has two parts. The first part is accomplished by the mods and admin. Plain as day that's their job to supervise. Next, the last part, we all pretty much do that already. So again, this is pointless.

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but I have seen some of my own post go untouched when I needed help...

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Originally Posted by Mephibosheth1

Perhaps I should clarify....trolling/bashing the new guys

Maybe yall don't see it as an issue, but this is something I count myself as fortunate to have not encountered when I first joined.

I saw a thread the first week I joined. Someone asked what they should get for their new snake. Next thing you know, there were 4 pages of "You idiot, why didn't you get a thermostat??" and "You shouldn't be allowed to get a snake without proper knowledge first".

NOT COOL!!!!!

Still waiting for more "member" input.....

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how does this group stop these kinds of replys?

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Originally Posted by Mephibosheth1

That was what I envisioned as well....a little helpful sub-community here.

Maybe I expected too much; perhaps this is why there is so much difficulty in the herp world. People cannot unite together calmly and peacefully for a new idea, and those who do are viewed as a "goodie-two-shoe" club who are excluding people.

Other thoughts??

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when you take a group and make another group within the group, that is not unity....

also I think most posting against the idea are just being logical.

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Originally Posted by MootWorm

I honestly didn't expect it to get this out of hand. I was envisioning a group of people that could keep an eye on new threads, or threads that are lacking advice/opinions. Basically a promotional group that helps struggling threads. For example, if someone posts a question regarding X species, we could direct JoeSchmoe123, who has extensive knowledge about X species, to said thread and weigh in on the topic. Maybe I was way off base.

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This already happens in this community, how about you just put forth more effort here ;)

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Originally Posted by Mike41793

Exactly. I do this all the time, sometimes through Pm too.

Ironically enough.... Zach, weren't you the one that i PM'd like 6months ago about that quad male a local breeder to me had available? I know you didn't get him bc he was too small at the time, but it proves my point.

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Yep that was me! People on here look out for eachother already. Most of the time you will see it's new members that get ugly with even newer members. Not older members being rude.

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Originally Posted by PitOnTheProwl

This already happens in this community, how about you just put forth more effort here ;)

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Fair enough!

I think we all understand what the intent is here, and it's a good one. It's also bringing up a bunch of constructive criticism for the forum and how it can be improved upon as a whole, and these are good things for all of us to think about and remember going forward. Maybe fewer people will "jump on" a newbie about not having a thermostat after remembering this thread, etc etc. But at the end of the day, the sheer length of this thread and the dissent it seems to be brewing will have more negative than positive effect.

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Originally Posted by PitOnTheProwl

This already happens in this community, how about you just put forth more effort here ;)

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I just thought that it would happen more often with this group together....

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Originally Posted by crepers86

but I have seen some of my own post go untouched when I needed help...

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This is a busy board and you can always btt :gj:

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Originally Posted by Mephibosheth1

I just thought that it would happen more often with this group together....

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Why?
It only takes one persons action to open ones eyes.

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Originally Posted by OhhWatALoser

how does this group stop these kinds of replies?

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You won't be able to! I'll still be a jerk, but it's because i'm more concerned about the snakes health than it's genetics. I don't care how my comments come off, to be perfectly honest lol.

All the negative feed back and people telling you they don't want it... Why can't you people take your information and just fade away before this gets worse. Neal is already going to come back and start sending out PM's and giving bad rep all over the place. If these 200 posts were used to help the forum think of all the good that could have been done.

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Originally Posted by Mike41793

You won't be able to! I'll still be a jerk, but it's because i'm more concerned about the snakes health than it's genetics. I don't care how my comments come off, to be perfectly honest lol.

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That's what I'm saying. Sometimes I'm brutally honest. Sorry I'm not sorry?

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Originally Posted by zach_24_90

That's what I'm saying. Sometimes I'm brutally honest. Sorry I'm not sorry?

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#sorryimnotsorryeither #realtalk

I wanted to show a quote from a new user who PM'd me with their thoughts on the situation of our husbandry threads.

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When I first joined this site and posted, I was terrified that I would be crucified for rescuing a snake that I didn't know how to care for. And honestly, if you think about it, not many people came running to my aid here when I was looking for help. Thank goodness you did!

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So, do people help?? yes. Do they help most people?? Yes. But in some instances people are forgotten, and I thought that if I got some people together we could make an organized attempt to make sure that this didn't happen as often.

People shouldn't feel this way about our forum....I just wanted to make sure fewer people did.

Based on the thoughts provided here, I think that our community isn't ready for a sub-group like this. It makes too many people feel left out, and is viewed as an attempt at mutiny by others. I think there is a way for COBRA to work, but I'll have to think about it for a while. I don't really want to start it seperate from this forum...I think this is one of the best herp forums out there, and really want to do my part at improving it.

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Originally Posted by Mephibosheth1

Based on the thoughts provided here, I think that our community isn't ready for a sub-group like this. It makes too many people feel left out, and is viewed as an attempt at mutiny by others.

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:rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:

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Originally Posted by Mephibosheth1

I think there is a way for COBRA to work, but I'll have to think about it for a while. I don't really want to start it seperate from this forum...I think this is one of the best herp forums out there, and really want to do my part at improving it.

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Then as I already said, STEP up and SPEAK up rather than making yourself step out.

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Originally Posted by Neal

The whole thing is that while yes this is an awesome community I myself have seen new members asking questions get bashed, and I mean seriously. When people ask questions that may of been asked before, I've seen people automatically reply: "Go use the search function".

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Yup. This exact thing happened to me. I tried using the search function, but couldn't find the exact answer/detail I wanted. Tried doing a web search too, no success. So I posted a question to this forum. I got a half-answer and was told to "Use the search function." I tried stating I did, and asked for more detail. No answer. Other questions i've posted got very few answers, or if I needed to ask for more clarification or detail, got no further replies.

SO basically I learned, don't ask questions on this forum unless you are a long-time, well-respected, well-loved member and part of the "in crowd", or else you won't be taken seriously.

Great welcome to the forum.

Only reason I stuck around really is to see what *I* could offer (mostly in terms of rats, since I consider myself a beginner when it comes to snakes). But if *I* ever have another question or a problem, i don't think I could really ask it here.

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Yup. This exact thing happened to me. I tried using the search function, but couldn't find the exact answer/detail I wanted. Tried doing a web search too, no success. So I posted a question to this forum. I got a half-answer and was told to "Use the search function." I tried stating I did, and asked for more detail. No answer. Other questions i've posted got very few answers, or if I needed to ask for more clarification or detail, got no further replies.

SO basically I learned, don't ask questions on this forum unless you are a long-time, well-respected, well-loved member and part of the "in crowd", or else you won't be taken seriously.

Great welcome to the forum.

Only reason I stuck around really is to see what *I* could offer (mostly in terms of rats, since I consider myself a beginner when it comes to snakes). But if *I* ever have another question or a problem, i don't think I could really ask it here.

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I'm sure some will say "This is just one person", but even if it is just one person, is this how we want others to feel about our wonderful community??

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Originally Posted by Mike41793

If i wanted to feel important i'd try out for the police academy, not mall security with paul blart :p

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Ach Michael, that wasn't really necessary now, was it?

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Originally Posted by Mephibosheth1

I wanted to show a quote from a new user who PM'd me with their thoughts on the situation of our husbandry threads.






So, do people help?? yes. Do they help most people?? Yes. But in some instances people are forgotten, and I thought that if I got some people together we could make an organized attempt to make sure that this didn't happen as often.

People shouldn't feel this way about our forum....I just wanted to make sure fewer people did.

Based on the thoughts provided here, I think that our community isn't ready for a sub-group like this. It makes too many people feel left out, and is viewed as an attempt at mutiny by others. I think there is a way for COBRA to work, but I'll have to think about it for a while. I don't really want to start it seperate from this forum...I think this is one of the best herp forums out there, and really want to do my part at improving it.

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It's the organizational group joining chain of command we're us and you're you thing that I think is jimmying the works. I, personally, don't really want you guys pointing out my contact info to newbs who need to know something I might know a lot about. If I choose to help, I'll have made the decision, not had it made for me by someone I may not even know. For all you know, the newb is someone I have either had dealings with or just don't want to deal with, so, kindly if you please, don't pass my name around. Were I on staff, that would be different, that's part of the job, but I'm a private citizen.

I think too that this community not being ready for a sub-group like cobra is wrong. I think this community inherently sees that what you propose to do is what they already have being done for them. Sure, it's not perfect and some do fall through the cracks, so what you're wanting to do is nice as well as necessary, from what you have told us, but again, why re-invent the wheel when you would be better off as a spoke strengthening the one we're already spinning on?

Seriously Dudes and Dudettes, be Spokes, the world needs more Spokes.

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I'm sure some will say "This is just one person", but even if it is just one person, is this how we want others to feel about our wonderful community??

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Again... I ask the question that has been asked a few times before.. HOW are you going to stop it? Are you going to make the "perp" stand before your imaginary board that has no power? No your not. Your not ony not going to do anything but you can't do anything.

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Originally Posted by Mephibosheth1

I'm sure some will say "This is just one person", but even if it is just one person, is this how we want others to feel about our wonderful community??

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I wish I was the only person, but I've seen it happen to other people throughout the forum too.

Another thing I've also seen... a big fuss made about "zombie threads". Someone raises a thread from the grave with what they think is a new question that wasn't answered, but instead of being given an answer, they are almost made fun of.

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Originally Posted by sorraia

Yup. This exact thing happened to me. I tried using the search function, but couldn't find the exact answer/detail I wanted. Tried doing a web search too, no success. So I posted a question to this forum. I got a half-answer and was told to "Use the search function." I tried stating I did, and asked for more detail. No answer. Other questions i've posted got very few answers, or if I needed to ask for more clarification or detail, got no further replies.

SO basically I learned, don't ask questions on this forum unless you are a long-time, well-respected, well-loved member and part of the "in crowd", or else you won't be taken seriously.

Great welcome to the forum.

Only reason I stuck around really is to see what *I* could offer (mostly in terms of rats, since I consider myself a beginner when it comes to snakes). But if *I* ever have another question or a problem, i don't think I could really ask it here.

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This is unfortunate. However, I think you're only partly right. What seems like a long time on The Net, maybe a day or three, may not be so long in the real world where people live and work. Some, like me, work for ourselves and spend too much time online, others don't have that extravagance and so aren't here all that often. Members cycle in and out, active members slow down, get busy, just don't want to deal with it, a myriad of reasons, all good, all valid, but of no solace in your situation.

Some fall through the cracks. Sometimes more than once. Hence the need for some, not necessarily in an organized gang, er group, to keep an eye on newer members and see how they're being treated.

Every once in a while I sort of pick someone and sort of follow there posts just to see if help can be offered, or even needed. I suspect I am not alone in this. In fact, I suspect there are others who make this much more of a habit than I do.

If I, personally, see one of your posts go unanswered, as I have seen others go, I'll chime in and see if I can't at least help you figure out which mod to ask.

Nothing is perfect, but we can improve that which displeases us.

I think that's just honest teasing

The ignoring of newer people is what I'm more concerned about.

I have a question in with the higher-ups on specific ways we can try and improve in this regard....I do see that there wouldn't be much our group could actually do, but still think our goal can be accomplished

I'll keep you posted with what I hear back

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Originally Posted by wilomn

hence the need for some, not necessarily in an organized gang, er group, to keep an eye on newer members and see how they're being treated.

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every once in a while i sort of pick someone and sort of follow there posts just to see if help can be offered, or even needed.

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Originally Posted by Mephibosheth1

Based on the thoughts provided here, I think that our community isn't ready for a sub-group like this. It makes too many people feel left out, and is viewed as an attempt at mutiny by others.

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Did I read a separate thread than you? The majority that are questioning it seem to think it is futile and asked for a explanation of why it is not.

I attempted to explain my thoughts, but everyone feels we can do more good individually than separately. I see some of their rationale, but still feel that on the whole it is a fallacy. If you're still interested in this PM me...We can try and make a loose coalition rather that an "official" club lol