Wilomn...

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Originally Posted by liv

The rules of the form do.
3. No Hate Speak. No racial, religious, gender-related, or sexual slurs. No threats of violence or personal attackswhether public posts or private messages.

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I personally attacked him? How so by calling him out? Or are you reffering to the post after he started attacking another poster and myself with arrogant name calling?

I did not discoun his credibility I did not threaten him.. Hell I was fairly polite in "calling him out" I could have started the thread out a whole lot worse then I did but I truly was looking for a response from him on the original issue..

No need to lock if u don't want I'm done with this thread..

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Originally Posted by Kaorte

So what you are saying is, because he is new, we should refuse to answer his questions about advanced husbandry.

This seems wrong.

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Not at all. I'm saying I don't understand why he wants advanced techniques if he's new. I also say I don't give advanced methods to a newbie asking the best ways to keep X. How many times have you seen someone posting "I got my first cornsnake! I want to do venomous! Someone tell me where to buy one!" type postings around the net? Would you point that person at a retic or venomous or a planted multiple snake tank set up?

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Originally Posted by wolfy-hound

Not at all. I'm saying I don't understand why he wants advanced techniques if he's new. I also say I don't give advanced methods to a newbie asking the best ways to keep X. How many times have you seen someone posting "I got my first cornsnake! I want to do venomous! Someone tell me where to buy one!" type postings around the net? Would you point that person at a retic or venomous or a planted multiple snake tank set up?

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I think he is just curious. Why do you need to understand why he wants to know something? He has his husbandry down and he is looking to expand his horizons.

It is pretty rare that we get a newbie in here who not only does their homework, but is open to our suggestions and asks questions just for the sake of gaining knowledge.

The venomous analogy is a bit of a reach. Apples and oranges if you ask me. He is just asking for more detailed information on how advanced keepers take care of their BALL PYTHONS. That is nothing like rushing into keeping venomous animals.

Its one thing to feed a newbie information they cannot handle. It is another to deny a newbie the information they asked for specifically. He isn't asking for the best way, he is asking for what we do personally, what works for us. Doesn't mean he is going to change his ways because someone said X and someone else said Y.

Sorry for the double-post(unless it joins it in that magic way I can't ever figure out)...

Love the Wilomn. Yes, he shows an attitude but generally if you READ what he WROTE, as opposed to getting all snarky over the fact that he didn't pat your hand and nod kindly, you'd see he has a good point in almost every post he makes.

I see another keyboard kommando who comes stomping into a site and wants everything to be what he wants, when he wants it and doesn't quite understand enough about how to make friends to know he could have apologized for acting like a doofus in trying to wave his balls about the room with his "I'm calling you out!" routine.

If you wanted information on how to do advanced techniques, you would have read the "Advanced Husbandry" forum, or made a thread asking about how experienced keepers might vary methods of keeping herps. Instead you started a thread thinking you would look AWESOME and it backfired on you and now you got a lot of egg on your face. I would suggest instead of continuing to flail about trying to look AWESOME and Stand Up For Yourself, you could take the excellent advice given already and sit back, take a nice deep breath.

Think how YOU would feel if on a forum dedicated to the racing engine thingys you know about, some new guy who just bought his first Yugo posted "calling you out" and demanding you tell him all the ways that you customize engines.

Time to cowboy up... apologize for the unintended insults and move on in life. People are very forgiving when anyone makes a mistake and will indeed move on and accept. Just my advice, feel free to ignore it. I'm certainly no Grand PooBah of internet, snake-keeping or engine thingys.

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Originally Posted by wolfy-hound

engine thingys.

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You sound as mechanically inclined as I am.

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Originally Posted by Kaorte

I think he is just curious. Why do you need to understand why he wants to know something? He has his husbandry down and he is looking to expand his horizons.

It is pretty rare that we get a newbie in here who not only does their homework, but is open to our suggestions and asks questions just for the sake of gaining knowledge.

The venomous analogy is a bit of a reach. Apples and oranges if you ask me. He is just asking for more detailed information on how advanced keepers take care of their BALL PYTHONS. That is nothing like rushing into keeping venomous animals.

Its one thing to feed a newbie information they cannot handle. It is another to deny a newbie the information they asked for specifically. He isn't asking for the best way, he is asking for what we do personally, what works for us. Doesn't mean he is going to change his ways because someone said X and someone else said Y.

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There's a whole forum dedicated to advanced husbandry... why are you advocating that he's "done his homework" and that we're denying him information? Why should I bounce up to type out everything I've ever done that isn't on the general caresheet to answer someone who's idea of polite questioning is "I'm calling you out!"? Yes, I used cornsnake to venomous as the worst-case-scenario, but geez. The guy didn't post this thread asking for anything in particular, he just stomped his feet and wanted some attention. No matter how "reasonable" he sounds on a few of the posts, he started the thread to antagonize someone publicly.

He calls himself a newbie in a few different posts. If he wanted to know more, there's tons of threads to read and post on to ask about, or he could post to ask about details of something he's heard of.. but nooo, his idea was this one.

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Originally Posted by Kaorte

I think he is just curious. Why do you need to understand why he wants to know something? He has his husbandry down and he is looking to expand his horizons.

It is pretty rare that we get a newbie in here who not only does their homework, but is open to our suggestions and asks questions just for the sake of gaining knowledge.

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I honestly think he had no interest in husbandry when he started the thread. This was started to single out Wilomn and try to embarrass him or something. The tone of the op went from aggressive to defensive. I think the husbandry thing is just a front and excuse.........

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i keep checking back in on this thread and it's just going around and around in circles. let's lock the thread and spend our time actually discussing useful information. :please:

How many more weeks until spring?

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Originally Posted by wolfy-hound

There's a whole forum dedicated to advanced husbandry... why are you advocating that he's "done his homework" and that we're denying him information? Why should I bounce up to type out everything I've ever done that isn't on the general caresheet to answer someone who's idea of polite questioning is "I'm calling you out!"? Yes, I used cornsnake to venomous as the worst-case-scenario, but geez. The guy didn't post this thread asking for anything in particular, he just stomped his feet and wanted some attention. No matter how "reasonable" he sounds on a few of the posts, he started the thread to antagonize someone publicly.

He calls himself a newbie in a few different posts. If he wanted to know more, there's tons of threads to read and post on to ask about, or he could post to ask about details of something he's heard of.. but nooo, his idea was this one.

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I'm saying he has done his homework on basic ball python care.

I already agreed that making this thread was a bad idea, and if he was really interested in learning advanced husbandry, he should make a thread in advanced husbandry. I liked the idea enough to make a thread about it.

The question was delivered improperly, but a few times he did calmly and politely ask other people about their controversial methods. I don't think it belongs in this thread, but it is worth acknowledging the question.

I'm not popular for defending the newb, but whatever. We are all people. Things are getting out of hand now and I'd rather just step away from the conversation. I was hoping it could be productive, but I guess not.

Haters gonna hate.

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Originally Posted by satomi325

I honestly think he had no interest in husbandry when he started the thread. This was started to single out Wilomn and try to embarrass him or something. The tone of the op went from aggressive to defensive. I think the husbandry thing is just a front and excuse.........

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Perhaps that is the case, perhaps it is not. I have a little more faith in the OP. Maybe that's because I do believe Wes gets away with more than he should be able to.

Don't know how I missed all the fun. I shared a lot of "thanks" and will now respond as well as "I" do;)

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Originally Posted by BoostedMX3

Also how is anyone supposed to become more experienced in these other ways of husbandry if no one gives their advice on it rather then spitting out what the last guy said?

I may just be a newb but I can't progress past newb with out more advanced advice. I would hate to try something new and outside the box that hurts my snake

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Most people are going to give a "safe" answer to avoid feeling guilty IF you kill your animal ;)
I will use an RI as an example, Everyone here will tell you to get to the vet ASAP. Will I run mine to a vet, depends on the situation and severity but more than likely I wont. (Knock on wood that I have only lost one animal that the original breeder never could get to eat and when I got him he was less than 30g)

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Originally Posted by BoostedMX3

My questions have been stated.. What are his personal husbandry practices?

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Again, what I do and works in my house I might not recommend on a public forum for several reasons.

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Originally Posted by Kaorte

So what you are saying is, because he is new, we should refuse to answer his questions about advanced husbandry.

This seems wrong.

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I kind of feel the same way. I know everyone here is great and wants to help but a lot of breeders are not open about everything. I guess its because we all have done things that other might look down on?

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Originally Posted by Aes_Sidhe

Id rather meet Shrike than get involved in this...

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You just did:banana::banana:

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Originally Posted by BoostedMX3

It amazes me how everyone assumes your being aggressive or attacking when your simply trying to get a legitimate answer for a question that was answered with a bit of an condescending attitude..

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You have to remember we are READING this without knowing any of your true expressions. There are many time people think I'm being a smart southern end of a north bound donkey but if you get under my skin you will know.

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Originally Posted by BrandiR

I'm scared of Wilomn.

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Why? He is a big teddy bear :rolleye2::rolleye2:

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Originally Posted by wilomn

YOU KIDS GET OFF MY DOGGONE PORCH!!!

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No :rage::banana::rage::banana::rage:

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Originally Posted by 3skulls

How many more weeks until spring?

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Doesn't matter............................................
How many more weeks till my girls lay??

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Originally Posted by Kaorte

Perhaps that is the case, perhaps it is not. I have a little more faith in the OP. Maybe that's because I do believe Wes gets away with more than he should be able to.

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All depends who you rub the wrong way.

People should remember you learn by listening, not by talking. You want to learn about reptile husbandry, read some threads and you can figure out who knows what they are talking about without making a single post.

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I'm saying he has done his homework on basic ball python care.

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and in 16 days he already knows all the basics, knows how to identify stress and has enough hands on experience with basics to jump to advance husbandry? http://ball-pythons.net/forums/showt...-George-Knaack

Again you need to learn to walk before you start learning to run.

And when you want to learn something you do not do so by antagonising someone either.

I think providing advance husbandry advice to someone that started less than a month is not gonna help.

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Originally Posted by Deborah

http://ball-pythons.net/forums/showt...-George-Knaack.

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Not trying to sound like a jerk, but they took a deposit on a pastel?

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Originally Posted by Rob

Not trying to sound like a jerk, but they took a deposit on a pastel?

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I was wondering something similar..........

I like her blushing though.


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Um...Can you all do me a favor...AND SLOW DOWN:taz:!!!???? IM OUT OF POPCORN!!!!

I haven't enjoyed a thread this much on any forum I belong to in AGES!!!

except for maybe EVE online...NOW those were some epic threads.....:gj:

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Originally Posted by BoostedMX3

Ya I'm not reading over a 100 posts.. Congrats on him liking u.. Did u make that page a favorite on your browser to remind yourself of this rare occurrence? U did dig that specific post up awfully fast..

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YOU are the one coming across as a wanna be Internet tough guy.

When you've been in this industry as long as Wes has, helped as many people as Wes has, exposed as many bad guys as Wes has, battled life threatening cancer and WON like Wes has.... Well then, maybe just then, we can talk about respect. You aren't even in the same time zone as Wes when it comes to respect.

He may be ruff and gruff, but he's earned it around these parts. You, have not. If you thought you'd earn "cool points" by taking on Wes, you were sadly mistaken.

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Originally Posted by rabernet

YOU are the one coming across as a wanna be Internet tough guy.

When you've been in this industry as long as Wes has, helped as many people as Wes has, exposed as many bad guys as Wes has, battled life threatening cancer and WON like Wes has.... Well then, maybe just then, we can talk about respect. You aren't even in the same time zone as Wes when it comes to respect.

He may be ruff and gruff, but he's earned it around these parts. You, have not. If you thought you'd earn "cool points" by taking on Wes, you were sadly mistaken.

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See, now you've gone and upset Robin, which is VERY difficult to do! ;)

I for one just happen to love Wes! Many moons ago I posted a thread about regretting something I had done in my past and he talked me through it. Wes is so full of wisdom and I love reading his witty posts. The man has a way with words that I have not ever come across before. You can be damn sure I will take his word over some newb anyday on the care and keeping of ball pythons. He is honest and blunt. I like and respect him for that.

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Originally Posted by BoostedMX3

Ya I'm not reading over a 100 posts.. Congrats on him liking u.. Did u make that page a favorite on your browser to remind yourself of this rare occurrence? U did dig that specific post up awfully fast..

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This was just rude, I like Luke, you would probly like him to if you actually spent some time here. I feel, that it is possible, alot of new people might take offense to how Wilomn expresses his opinion, but you will get over it and regret this thread. Mark my words ;)

Any reason why this thread hasn't been locked down?


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Originally Posted by martin82531

Any reason why this thread hasn't been locked down?

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Out of sheer force of my will for it to stay open.

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Originally Posted by martin82531

Any reason why this thread hasn't been locked down?

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Because it's amusing. And because there are actually some valuable lessons to be learned in this thread....for anyone who has the wit to see them.

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Originally Posted by JLC

Because it's amusing. And because there are actually some valuable lessons to be learned in this thread....for anyone who has the wit to see them.

;)

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There's one about bears and sticks and poking and terror and embarrassment and shame and ridicule, but some folks just don't (refuse to more like) see it.

I've always liked that one.

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Originally Posted by 3skulls

How many more weeks until spring?

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The groundhog said 6.


mmm popcorn.

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Originally Posted by JLC

Because it's amusing. And because there are actually some valuable lessons to be learned in this thread....for anyone who has the wit to see them.

;)

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Pretty sure it could be summed up with:

a) You do not know everything.
b) If you want to learn, listen to people who have more experience than you, be polite.
c) If you do not understand specific details, ask nicely for clarification.
d) If you feel like you know everything, refer to point a. (there's always more to learn, that's why you can do it every day!)
e) Admit it if you screw up, and refer to points a and b.

I don't think it's particularly complicated, but maybe it's harder for some to set their ego aside and listen.

Bonus points for amusing me at work though!

I read to page 9, it was like a train wreck, i didnt want to but i couldnt stop. I want that 10 mins of my life back.
You guys wasted a rediculous amount of time and intellect on nothing.

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Originally Posted by JDN

I read to page 9, it was like a train wreck, i didnt want to but i couldnt stop. I want that 10 mins of my life back.
You guys wasted a rediculous amount of time and intellect on nothing.

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I'd give you a nice shiny gold star for the effort, but you wouldn't appreciate it. Thanks for sharing the banality of your life though. It is rather sad though that you felt the need to brag about a poor decision and then not have the stones to admit it was your own fault-no one forced you to read it- and then have the nerve to tell people, about whom you know less than nothing, that they had the gall to waste YOUR time and intellect? Can you say narcissistic?

You seem to think that the sun shines out your butt, but you are in error. I see nothing more clearly, I have no better an understanding of my fellow man due to your stunning wit and skill with words. However, I am somewhat appalled at the amount of time I've wasted addressing this lack in your character. Perhaps this is something you should ponder during your 'personal' time. I'm thinking you have that in abundance.

So, pull up your shorts, it ain't the sun, more like a turgid puss filled boil that may feel hot as blazes but brings no illumination, and try to play nice.

You'll have a better time that way.

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Originally Posted by JDN

You guys wasted a rediculous amount of time and intellect on nothing.

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How do you define irony?

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Originally Posted by swansonbb

How do you define irony?

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In a forgery. :P

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Originally Posted by martin82531

Any reason why this thread hasn't been locked down?


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Because it's more amusing than "is this a morph?" and "what size mouse do I feed?" threads...


Don't ruin it...

1) I can't believe I read the whole thing!

2) A user that has been on the site for two days makes a post on a dead thread, a full two weeks after the fact, that consisted of two sentences preceded by a run-on sentence, all of which left me a good bit wanting in terms of at least punctuation if not proper grammer. Regardless, Wes spent a good bit of time giving a response even though no response was solicited. The OP, on the other hand, actually called Wes out and made multiple posts asking for a response, however at the death of the thread had yet to see his inquiries addressed by Wes. That, Swanson, is irony - and not the in a forgery kind, either! :P OP - that's in your face.