Sterling ball or Pewter Ball

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Originally Posted by nimblykimbly

Sooo you aren't going to answer my question about why you sold the Sterling/Pewter if a Sterling fit your breeding program? I just don't understand that part, that's all.

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Sooo I can tell you didn't read my post on what morphs I wanted to work with.....I believe there are more important matters in this thread, but since you absolutely need an answer to your sooo important question.......I can change my breeding program whenever I see fit.....plain and simple....Do you understand now

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Originally Posted by supertiger retics

Sooo I can tell you didn't read my post on what morphs I wanted to work with.....I believe there are more important matters in this thread, but since you absolutely need an answer to your sooo important question.......I can change my breeding program whenever I see fit.....plain and simple....Do you understand now

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No sir, never read that post. I don't spend all day on here reading every last post by everyone, but thank you for finally clarifying! I think it's all important, to clear a person's name.

So do you always insert your thoughts or opinions midway in a conversation, not knowing everything that's been said.

I read this whole thread... Do you always get so defensive when people ask you questions?

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Originally Posted by supertiger retics

Wow, I was sold this snake as a sterling :mad:

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Originally Posted by supertiger retics

I paid 850 for this snake :(

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Originally Posted by supertiger retics

That snake was traded to me by a dear friend

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Originally Posted by supertiger retics

I'm just going to sell him, as a pewter doesn't fit into my breeding. :mad:

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Which means as a sterling it did. :rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by supertiger retics

The male sterling was only traded to me by Mr. Miller because I was moving into a new house and didn't have to space required to house my 18ft. retic and was never apart of my breeding plans to begin with

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Originally Posted by supertiger retics

I can change my breeding program whenever I see fit.....plain and simple....Do you understand now

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.I believe there are more important matters in this thread

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True but there are also a lot of inconsistencies which tells a lot about one's character, not saying the other party is innocent either far from it.

For the sake of everyone involved do what an honorable business person would do when their customer is not 100% satisfied with the animal they received.

You both need to return each's other animals, move on and disappear for a while, because you two have a LOT to learn (ethics, customer service, animal's knowledge etc)

And i STILL havent gotten an email from SHAY confirming it is infact a sterling. OH !! can u answer me as to why ..if it was a sterling, u traded it to me ? didnt u get a sterling for your own breeding plans ?? then why would u trade it to me, if u needed a sterling? does this make sense anyone ?????

I would like my YELLOWBELLY back. Will you agree that we can send our animals back ? its the right thing to do.

Thank you Deborah :)

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Originally Posted by Deborah

Which means as a sterling it did. :rolleyes:





True but there are also a lot of inconsistencies which tells a lot about one's character, not saying the other party is innocent either far from it.

For the sake of everyone involved do what an honorable business person would do when their customer is not 100% satisfied with the animal they received.

You both need to return each's other animals, move on and disappear for a while, because you two have a LOT to learn (ethics, customer service, animal's knowledge etc)

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Wow, never have a seen a person grab at straws so hard. Matt had the sterling up for sale, and was asking 850 for it.....Seeing as though it was the last ball python he had up, it was added to the deal to equal out the money I was asking for my retic. It was never apart of my breeding program to start with, and only served as a filler to be traded later on down the line for a snake that I wanted. Now reguardless if I "paid" the 850 with money or "paid" it with trade value, it was still paid nonetheless. I did nothing dishonest in this entire deal.....Mr Huffman contacted me about trading his yellow belly female for my sterling male, Mr. Huffman sent me his female and I shipped out the sterling to him as promised, Mr Huffman received the sterling and was very happy with it.....So where in this equation was I ever dishonest. :weirdface

Wow, how did I miss this thread.

IMO you just need to trade back and both of you shut up about it.

No matter what, you (supertiger) are digging yourself a hole by publicly refusing to just fix this by trading back. At this point I would never do business with you (either of you). While there are a lot of inconsistencies here, the only real way I see forward here is to trade back and move on. Any further refusal to do so is inevitably killing future business.

As for BOTH of you. We do not need either of you in this hobby/business in your current state of behavior.

What inconsistencies are you talking about???? I traded him a male sterling, he got a male sterling, the original owners BOTH verify its a sterling..........I'm failing to see the inconsistant part.....And as for publicly refusing to fix it......I never made such a claim......I held up my end of the trade.....He wanted my male sterling, and that's what he got.......So I don't have to fix a damn thing, especially after he threatened to use physical violence.......That right there put an end to everything....And the only reason I'm even entertaining this is to prove what I've known all along, that the snake IS a sterling

You cannot see the forest for the trees. You have a unhappy customer. FIX IT. You will benefit in the long run.

If you fail to see the inconstancies that have been previously pointed out, that is on you.

Also, since the breeder's name has been brought up in this, where is his response?

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Originally Posted by supertiger retics

What inconsistencies are you talking about???? I traded him a male sterling, he got a male sterling, the original owners BOTH verify its a sterling..........I'm failing to see the inconsistant part.....And as for publicly refusing to fix it......I never made such a claim......I held up my end of the trade.....He wanted my male sterling, and that's what he got.......So I don't have to fix a damn thing, especially after he threatened to use physical violence.......That right there put an end to everything....And the only reason I'm even entertaining this is to prove what I've known all along, that the snake IS a sterling

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in·con·sist·ent adjective - lacking in harmony between the different parts or elements; self-contradictory:

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Originally Posted by supertiger retics

Wow, I was sold this snake as a sterling

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Originally Posted by supertiger retics

I paid 850 for this snake

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sell verb - to transfer (goods) to or render (services) for another in exchange for money; dispose of to a purchaser for a price
trade noun - an exchange of items, usually without payment of money.

Do I even have to explain why it is inconsistent?

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Originally Posted by supertiger retics

I'm just going to sell him, as a pewter doesn't fit into my breeding.

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Originally Posted by supertiger retics

The male sterling was only traded to me by Mr. Miller because I was moving into a new house and didn't have to space required to house my 18ft. retic and was never apart of my breeding plans to begin with

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Originally Posted by supertiger retics

I can change my breeding program whenever I see fit.....plain and simple....Do you understand now

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So you first statement implies a sterling was part of your breeding plans, but doesn't technically state it is, so ill give you the benefit of a doubt there. You also admit it being a pewter at that point, which you seem to call it a sterling afterwards. I would like to hear the breeder take on this also, because I don't believe that to be a sterling. Your second statement states it was never part of your breeding plans, ok thats fine. Your thrid statement says you can change your breeding plans, which yes you can. We already know that your breeding plans as of the second statement were not to have the snake. But did they change to wanting the snake? It doesn't appear so, they never changed did they? If they did not change your third statement had no place in the conversation. Your inconstant whether your breeding plans changed or not. You just contradict yourself either way.

I think it can all be summed up to this....
ma·nip·u·late verb - to manage or influence skillfully, especially in an unfair manner

There are some circles where attaining a snake simply for immediately trading it for another snake (or selling it) is also frowned upon. Pretty much the definition of Flipping, and not something a serious breeder wants to be doing.

Alls i want him to do is trade back, send my yellowbelly back to me. And i will send back this pewsterling or whatever it is. He has yet to prove anything he has said about any breeder varifying anything. Its all just lies. He is misleading and had not been honest at all. i am totally unhappy with this and if he was any kind of breeder or buisness man, he would send my snake back to me, especially after all of the misleading and questioning about the identity of the snake in question. He himself admitted to not even knowing for sure what it was. Its all in black and white for everyone in this forum and everyone in this reptile community to see. So if he refuses to make this right and send my yellowbelly back to me, what is his standing here in this forum, and in the entire reptile community ?? i just want my snake back or i want him to make up for the difference in price with another reptile. How am i wrong for that ?????

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Originally Posted by supertiger retics

Wow, never have a seen a person grab at straws so hard

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It's probably because I am honest and straight shooter and expect the same from others, when I don't see that it raises my suspicions. Good thing I equally pointed the issues with both of you because in this case you are both equally guilty.

I mean what I say and say what I mean that much be a new concept for you but you should try.

If I say "I bought", I did

If I say "I traded" I did

If I say "It was never part of my plan" It never was.

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I don't have multiple versions, only one and it remains the same through and through. YOU are the it depends what the definition of is is type :rolleyes:

You see it as picking apart details I see it as inconsistencies that make your character being questionable.

Now again conduct yourself as a business person do what is right when a customer is not satisfied, and then both disappear until you both learn how to run business.

Another one for my list.


Can we get Fauna rules implemented here where everyone is required to publicly post their real names with their user names?

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Originally Posted by supertiger retics

What inconsistencies are you talking about???? I traded him a male sterling, he got a male sterling, the original owners BOTH verify its a sterling..........I'm failing to see the inconsistant part.....And as for publicly refusing to fix it......I never made such a claim......I held up my end of the trade.....He wanted my male sterling, and that's what he got.......So I don't have to fix a damn thing, especially after he threatened to use physical violence.......That right there put an end to everything....And the only reason I'm even entertaining this is to prove what I've known all along, that the snake IS a sterling

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It doesn't matter if the snake is a confirmed sterling fader whiteout het unicorn. Your customer is unhappy. Pull up your big boy panties and make it right.

Being dishonest doesn't mean you lied. Omitting the truth is dishonest and shady, and that is what you did. You omitted that you had doubts, that your friend would guarantee the genetics etc.

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Originally Posted by MrLang

Can we get Fauna rules implemented here where everyone is required to publicly post their real names with their user names?

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Agreed, especially if you plan on talking business on here.

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Originally Posted by supertiger retics

So do you always insert your thoughts or opinions midway in a conversation, not knowing everything that's been said.

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I think the other members have made it pretty clear that you contradict yourself and are shady. I think I know plenty about this situation to make my assessment. I asked you to clarify something that I felt was off, I did not 'insert my thoughts or opinions midway in a conversation without knowing everything that's been said'. But thank you so much for your failed attempt to slam me.

I, like many others on here, want to weed out the scammers, the deceitful, and the people who just generally make this hobby look bad. I don't like it that some people choose to tarnish an awesome thing, and I want to try to avoid these types of people if at all possible.

You guys are both wrong, and you are dodging making things right. I would never do what you did - sell a snake as something I've been told repeatedly that it is not, all the while changing my story and contradicting myself. Don't get mad at me because I am trying to clarify things. After all, an honest person wouldn't get mad at a simple question.

What a train wreck.

Hopefully what people can learn from this thread is do your homework on who your buying/trading from and what type of morph your are getting.

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Originally Posted by MrLang

Can we get Fauna rules implemented here where everyone is required to publicly post their real names with their user names?

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I also agree. In my opinion, both ilovevenom and supertiger retics ought to be banned from this site and this thread CLOSED. Too harsh?? Sorry, but I don't care to share this wonderful community with 2 people who have proven themselves to be dishonest and not trustworthy. You two have destroyed any chance you might have had at building an honorable reputation. I don't care if/when this issue does get resolved between you, I know I for one would NEVER do business with EITHER of you. For shame.

The BOI creates a nightmare for the mods at Fauna, and much respect to them for orchestrating such an essential feedback forum. I think simply tagging members by real name would add consistency across the two forums that would allow more careful interaction between hobby-breeders and buyers. It's a shame to see a trend of general distrust forming. I haven't been in the hobby long enough to know if this problem is escalating, getting better, or staying flat, but it's really a shame to see what happens so often between people.

It's a unique hobby we all take part in, involving high ticket goods, reputation-driven genetic guarantees, live merchandise, and so many small non-businessmen hobby breeders.

Once again, I have NOT done anything dishonest.....I can't wait for Mr. Huffman gets the email proving that the snake is a STERLING......And when he does get it, I can't wait to tell all of you to take your libelous statements and shove them.....Never have I witness a bigger group of sheeple.....A bunch of people who are on the outside looking in, sitting at a keyboard typing opinions with no proof to ANY of their statements.....I didn't nothing wrong here, I've posted proof to the validity of my statements, and yet and still people try to twist my words to make me look like the bad guy.

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Originally Posted by supertiger retics

Once again, I have NOT done anything dishonest.

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You traded the snake that you thought was a pewter as a sterling end of story. That is dishonest. Sugar coat it all you want, it shows a lack of integrity on your part.

I'm so sorry, this situation sucks!

That sterling was received from 2 people with a VERY good reputation in the reptile hobby......So why in the world would they risk all of that over 1 snake.....

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Originally Posted by Evenstar

I also agree. In my opinion, both ilovevenom and supertiger retics ought to be banned from this site and this thread CLOSED. Too harsh?? Sorry, but I don't care to share this wonderful community with 2 people who have proven themselves to be dishonest and not trustworthy. You two have destroyed any chance you might have had at building an honorable reputation. I don't care if/when this issue does get resolved between you, I know I for one would NEVER do business with EITHER of you. For shame.

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Really? How many people with a less than perfect reputation do you see on forums? While one my think someone is honest and the greatest breeder that ever walked the earth, the next guy might have a different opinion, what do we do then?

Well it's simple we don't ban people just because we don't like them or because we don't like their practices, or ethics etc, I hate liars and shady people as much as anyone around here (well in case their is any doubts :rolleyes:) but that is not a valid reason to ban a person, however know that steps have been taken in this case and that those 2 individuals are not allowed to post any ad on our forum.

We have very specific rules when it comes to banning people, some think the rules are too strict some think they are not enough :rolleyes:, anyway it works like this.

Spammers they are banned automatically no question ask. Same for Cameroon scammers.

Real members, well they need to break our rules before being banned (see TOS), the ban does not happen overnight, it is an accumulation of points, 100 point is is a temporary ban of 30 days, 150 points it is a permanent ban. Any account created to bypass that ban is also automatically banned no question asked when caught.

No system is perfect but it works and has for many years. :gj:

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Originally Posted by Rob

You traded the snake that you thought was a pewter as a sterling end of story. That is dishonest. Sugar coat it all you want, it shows a lack of integrity on your part.

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There's no sugar coating anything....After doing research as well as speaking to the original owners and the breeder, it was guaranteed a STERLING......I traded my GUARANTEED sterling........Or did you miss the post whereI provided proof of the GGUARANTEE

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Originally Posted by supertiger retics

There's no sugar coating anything....After doing research as well as speaking to the original owners and the breeder, it was guaranteed a STERLING......I traded my GUARANTEED sterling........Or did you miss the post whereI provided proof of the GGUARANTEE

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Well "guaranteed" isn't the same as correct. Apparently the gentlemen you traded it to believes he was wronged, and you have no intention on fixing that? Dishonest? Poor business habits? Either way your not mr. Innocent.

and i STILL have yet to recieve that email hes talking about me getting varifying it to be a true sterling. I just dont understand why he cant just agree to send my yellowbelly back to me, and i will send his snake (whatever it is ) back to him. I never wanted a questionable snake. I wanted a Garunteed sterling. Thats what i should of gotten. i am not satisfied at all.

In case no one else has, Adam Chesla was contacted via email about this thread.

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Originally Posted by Deborah

Really? How many people with a less than perfect reputation do you see on forums? While one my think someone is honest and the greatest breeder that ever walked the earth, the next guy might have a different opinion, what do we do then?

Well it's simple we don't ban people just because we don't like them or because we don't like their practices, or ethics etc, I hate liars and shady people as much as anyone around here (well in case their is any doubts :rolleyes:) but that is not a valid reason to ban a person, however know that steps have been taken in this case and that those 2 individuals are not allowed to post any ad on our forum. I am glad to hear this - thanks for letting us all know that.

We have very specific rules when it comes to banning people, some think the rules are too strict some think they are not enough :rolleyes:, anyway it works like this.

Spammers they are banned automatically no question ask. Same for Cameroon scammers.

Real members, well they need to break our rules before being banned (see TOS), the ban does not happen overnight, it is an accumulation of points, 100 point is is a temporary ban of 30 days, 150 points it is a permanent ban. Any account created to bypass that ban is also automatically banned no question asked when caught.

No system is perfect but it works and has for many years. :gj:

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Deborah, I was just expressing my frustration with these two the same as everyone else has. I totally understand that BP.net has specific rules in place for that and I even knew what these rules were before I posted and I know that that is not reason enough to ban someone. I even think our system is as close to perfect as a system like this can be. I was simply trying to make a point. :gj:

And as far as how many less-than-perfect people on forums, well, NO ONE is perfect, lol, including me. But BP.net sure has a lot fewer individuals with dishonest reputations than most other forums and I do believe that is due, in part, to the excellent moderation we have here. Hince, it is all the more disturbing to find people like these who have so severely upset the balance we all enjoy here.

Hey, I just want everyone on here to know that i did recieve an email from a very reputable man i have done dealings with. a guy named SHAY FORE. Hes a stand up straigh up guy. He informed me that he did purchase the snake from ADAM Chelsa in ATLANTA , and it is indeed a STERLING. I have to say, that i trust this man and his word. So i do apologize . I hope everyone can understand just where my frustration came from. all the questioning as to the snakes identity. So we are all good now. Supertiger Retics is ok in my book.

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Hey, I just want everyone on here to know that i did recieve an email from a very reputable man i have done dealings with. a guy named SHAY FORE. Hes a stand up straigh up guy. He informed me that he did purchase the snake from ADAM Chelsa in ATLANTA , and it is indeed a STERLING. I have to say, that i trust this man and his word. So i do apologize . I hope everyone can understand just where my frustration came from. all the questioning as to the snakes identity. So we are all good now. Supertiger Retics is ok in my book.

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Just wana add the only way that he can guarantee that it is a stirling is to breed it. Has he? If not, the only thing you can call it is a pewter poss stirling.

What would u guys reccomend me breeding it with ? can u tell me what i could breed it with, and the possibles i would get from the breedings ?

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Originally Posted by ilovevenom

Hey, I just want everyone on here to know that i did recieve an email from a very reputable man i have done dealings with. a guy named SHAY FORE. Hes a stand up straigh up guy. He informed me that he did purchase the snake from ADAM Chelsa in ATLANTA , and it is indeed a STERLING. I have to say, that i trust this man and his word. So i do apologize . I hope everyone can understand just where my frustration came from. all the questioning as to the snakes identity. So we are all good now. Supertiger Retics is ok in my book.

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Thread over IMO. That was a fun 3 days. Thanks :D


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Originally Posted by ilovevenom

What would u guys reccomend me breeding it with ? can u tell me what i could breed it with, and the possibles i would get from the breedings ?

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...........are you being serious? After all that, you have done no homework on the morph?
Here

http://www.worldofballpythons.com/wizard/

Wow. Just wow.

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Originally Posted by interloc

Just wana add the only way that he can guarantee that it is a stirling is to breed it. Has he? If not, the only thing you can call it is a pewter poss stirling.

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See that's what I'm talking about......The snake was obtained from Adam Chesla as a sterling, not a pewter poss sterling......Adam knew it was a STERLING, and sold/traded it as such. Like I told everyone here I didn't do anything shady or dishonest, yet y'all wanted to call me a liar, and tried to make me out as the bad guy.....
From breeding and selling retics to ball pythons now, I have NEVER done anyone wrong or dirty. I've always been honest in every dealing I've ever had....Yet I'm supposed to smile, bend over, and take up the rear all of the disrespect and lies posted by y'all......No, not at all......You all can bite it

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Originally Posted by ilovevenom

What would u guys reccomend me breeding it with ? can u tell me what i could breed it with, and the possibles i would get from the breedings ?

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You can breed it to the super stripe I promised you

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Originally Posted by ilovevenom

What would u guys reccomend me breeding it with ? can u tell me what i could breed it with, and the possibles i would get from the breedings ?

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Glad you got the verification you needed, now this thread can come to a halt. Breed that thing to a virgin normal if it is a sterling you will at least get all pastels if not you got scammed but don't repost please :ohmygod:

I have kept up with the whole thread and honestly agree with the rest, you scammed someone and just got scammed yourself. Karma Sux deal with it.

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Originally Posted by supertiger retics

You can breed it to the super stripe I promised you

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:omfg:

Is it het banana as well?

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Originally Posted by supertiger retics

.Yet I'm supposed to smile, bend over, and take up the rear all of the disrespect and lies posted by y'all......No, not at all..You all can bite it

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So professional.

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So professional.

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Ya telling a whole bunch of potential customers to bite it is an awesome business move.

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Originally Posted by interloc

Ya telling a whole bunch of potential customers to bite it is an awesome business move.

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Yes, this makes me want to do business with him, for sure. Not that I had any intention of doing business with him, any way... it's just rude though, and very unprofessional.

Given the wonton disrespect of my name, I wouldn't sell any of you air if you were suffocating, let alone a snake. After all of the libelous statements here, I'm just supposed to sweep it under the rug...lol....

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:omfg:

Is it het banana as well?

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Watch out now, this one's a real comedian......Don't quit your day job..:colbert:

I'm just glad David got the reassuring he need, and felt he deserved....He's alright in my book

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Originally Posted by supertiger retics

Given the wonton disrespect of my name, I wouldn't sell any of you air if you were suffocating, let alone a snake. After all of the libelous statements here, I'm just supposed to sweep it under the rug...lol....

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I wouldn't buy your air anyway... you might have checked its quality on another forum... :D *shrugs shoulders*