Trying at BloodBalls..

I believe the OP already flipped the female blood out of the collection so mark this project as DOA. :O

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Originally Posted by bwt501

I believe the OP already flipped the female blood out of the collection so mark this project as DOA. :O

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^^Unfortunately yes, I did.

I know some of you have been wanting to hear an update for a while and I apologize for not getting back to this thread sooner.

I recently have been majorly downsizing my collection, not only with snakes but also with my invertebrates as well. Since I'm getting more into breeding Ball pythons I decided to exit out almost all the animals I considered "extras". I have a few other species that are "extras" for now, but I am also going to use them for breeding (Dumeril's boa, Carpets, Kingsnake). My food bill for the snakes was also getting quite pricey per week.

It was a really hard decision to let her go because she was so beautiful and pretty well tempered for a Blood, but sometimes you gotta make hard decisions and go with what is best. Bloods get big, and I felt as time passed it would get more expensive to feed and house her as I already have a 7 ft Dumeril's boa whom I'm still looking for her ultimate, permanent enclosure.

So that's the little background story of this. Sorry if I had disappointed many of you in hopes for hearing some good news about the pairing. The farthest I got with them was the female Blood tail wagging and scenting around, but I'm not positive if they locked since the male was being shy.

I'll carry on your legacy soon Tiff, it may be with a borneo instead though. ;)

exactly my point about responsible breeding and selfish shortsightedness in the name of morbid curiosity. Was the new owner made aware that this blood was being bred to a ball and may very well be gravid with frankensnakes? Bloods have amazing sperm retention abilities (years) and this animal may very well be tainted for future breedings. :confused:

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Originally Posted by bwt501

exactly my point about responsible breeding and selfish shortsightedness in the name of morbid curiosity. Was the new owner made aware that this blood was being bred to a ball and may very well be gravid with frankensnakes? Bloods have amazing sperm retention abilities (years) and this animal may very well be tainted for future breedings. :confused:

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Hyperbole much? :rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by JLC

Hyperbole much? :rolleyes:

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Far from it. What was such a stretch for you?

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Originally Posted by CoolioTiffany

But for those wanting to know how things have been going, I have only paired them once. The Blood was tail wagging and seemed very interested, but the Ball was busy checking out his surroundings. I may hold off with the breeding until Spring so I can get plenty of more meals in her and so she has her clutch at a later time than my Ball pythons do.

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Originally Posted by bwt501

I believe the OP already flipped the female blood out of the collection so mark this project as DOA. :O

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Originally Posted by bwt501

exactly my point about responsible breeding and selfish shortsightedness in the name of morbid curiosity. Was the new owner made aware that this blood was being bred to a ball and may very well be gravid with frankensnakes? Bloods have amazing sperm retention abilities (years) and this animal may very well be tainted for future breedings. :confused:

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One attempt probably didnt get a lock at all. and yes I did hunt the quote for your viewing;)

Second, why are you still here "bwt501" when half of your posts are bashing on this thread OR you have another account and use this one to troll??

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Originally Posted by bwt501

exactly my point about responsible breeding and selfish shortsightedness in the name of morbid curiosity. Was the new owner made aware that this blood was being bred to a ball and may very well be gravid with frankensnakes? Bloods have amazing sperm retention abilities (years) and this animal may very well be tainted for future breedings. :confused:

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The male never locked with the female. I watched them a lot of the time and he wasn't interested in her in the slightest bit. These are two completely different species so it would have to had taken some time on their behalf to breed. Even if the female was interested, that doesn't mean the male was too. I only paired them 3 different times as well.

I respect your concern but calling me selfish isn't necessary. This was my choice to sell her and not yours.

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Originally Posted by bwt501

Far from it. What was such a stretch for you?

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Is there a troll, I see?

I don't accept people being rude to others in my thread, especially to someone as sweet as JLC. I would really suggest to stop posting on my thread.

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Originally Posted by bwt501

exactly my point about responsible breeding and selfish shortsightedness in the name of morbid curiosity. Was the new owner made aware that this blood was being bred to a ball and may very well be gravid with frankensnakes? Bloods have amazing sperm retention abilities (years) and this animal may very well be tainted for future breedings. :confused:

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Immature much? :what:

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Originally Posted by bwt501

exactly my point about responsible breeding and selfish shortsightedness in the name of morbid curiosity. Was the new owner made aware that this blood was being bred to a ball and may very well be gravid with frankensnakes? Bloods have amazing sperm retention abilities (years) and this animal may very well be tainted for future breedings. :confused:

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I have found all your posts to this thread distasteful, arrogant and rude. What does it matter to YOU what Tiffany decides to do with her snakes? While your opinion is just that, and one you've expressed more than enough on this thread, I believe you have crossed the line from sharing your opinion to a bit jerk-ish.

Tiffany, I'm sorry you have to downsize. I know how hard it can be on having X amount of snakes and making the decision that there are a few too many for you, then having to decide which would be the best to find new homes for. I hope you the best of luck in whatever you decide with your snakes. And don't let trolls bring ya down kid :)

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btw501 is such a troll. only 24 posts? i didn't even bother to click on the name to see what posts. it's clearly someone's extra handle, who has either started things too often already, or is afraid to go under their real handle. Trollllll!

If you were to read and understand what my buddy, btw501 wrote you might come to the conclusion that ( like myself) he is a passionate keeper who wishes to see the best for herptoculture..His, mine and others opinion against such is nothing more than intelligent integrity speaking..All the talk of creating these hybrids or mutts as us anal ones prefer is nothing more than a passing curiousity from mostly beginners..Age,intelligence and experience teaches one to look at the BIG picture or outcome before proceeding with an endeavor.Pit bull type breeders give no thought to the big picture and each and everyday there is dogs put down due to the lack of THOUGHT..:O..IF one knew before hand that they could place these hybrids where there would be NO possibility of future pollution that would be one thing.. BUT since these animals live for SOOOOO long chances are the people won't even be in herptoculture 10 years from now..PLEASE, YES, PLEASE give very careful thought to your endeavors..IF IF IF, after careful THOUGHT you still want to make hybrids PLEASE go buy a horse and a donkey and make floppy earred mules or go to college and cross a peach and jalapeno for something hot and fuzzy..SATISFACTION AND SELF WORTH comes from RIGHTOUS DOINGS...:D
God Bless and Merry Christ mas to all who follow..:salute:

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Originally Posted by Tim Mead

If you were to read and understand what my buddy, btw501 wrote you might come to the conclusion that ( like myself) he is a passionate keeper who wishes to see the best for herptoculture..His, mine and others opinion against such is nothing more than intelligent integrity speaking..All the talk of creating these hybrids or mutts as us anal ones prefer is nothing more than a passing curiousity from mostly beginners..Age,intelligence and experience teaches one to look at the BIG picture or outcome before proceeding with an endeavor.Pit bull type breeders give no thought to the big picture and each and everyday there is dogs put down due to the lack of THOUGHT..:O..IF one knew before hand that they could place these hybrids where there would be NO possibility of future pollution that would be one thing.. BUT since these animals live for SOOOOO long chances are the people won't even be in herptoculture 10 years from now..PLEASE, YES, PLEASE give very careful thought to your endeavors..IF IF IF, after careful THOUGHT you still want to make hybrids PLEASE go buy a horse and a donkey and make floppy earred mules or go to college and cross a peach and jalapeno for something hot and fuzzy..SATISFACTION AND SELF WORTH comes from RIGHTOUS DOINGS...:D
God Bless and Merry Christ mas to all who follow..:salute:

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I'm not quite sure how you get off saying that only beginners breed hybrids.....actually to be honest I don't know ANY beginners who have tried such a thing. All the hybrids I have ever know of came straight from the hands of a well know breeder (N.E.R.D, Ben Siegel, Steve Roussis, and so on). I also find it pretty offensive to call my friend Tiffany a beginner and assume she has no knowledge what so ever. She has been keeping snakes for over 6 years...in my book thats not a beginner, especially when she has hatched out clutches before and can handle a 7'+ Dumerils boa by her lonesome......your post just makes no sense. :gj:

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Originally Posted by Tim Mead

If Pit bull type breeders give no thought to the big picture and each and everyday there is dogs put down due to the lack of THOUGHT.

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:confused::confused:
True breeders do put time and thought into their dogs, so make real sure you know where you are stepping here. IDIOTS needing the "extension" just throw a good looking stud with a good looking dam to make a quick buck. That is not as easy in the reptile world, it takes more time and planning. So IF that is the case, What about all the people that just keep having kids and dont know how to stop at one or two? Same comparison you brought to the table.;)

The big difference is the human race is a cancer on this planet and btw501 is a troll so they are one in the same.:gj:

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Originally Posted by PitOnTheProwl

the human race is a cancer on this planet

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Too right...:gj:

TIM, im none of what you have described, and i am starting my hybrid project.. ill be looking forward to hearing your face leak crap in the future.
spooky

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Originally Posted by CoolioTiffany

The male never locked with the female. I watched them a lot of the time and he wasn't interested in her in the slightest bit. These are two completely different species so it would have to had taken some time on their behalf to breed. Even if the female was interested, that doesn't mean the male was too. I only paired them 3 different times as well.

I respect your concern but calling me selfish isn't necessary. This was my choice to sell her and not yours.

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I am not defending what the other poster is posting. I honestly have not read much of this post. However, from what I have read, I think that you should tell the buyer of the blood female, if you have not already, that there is a possibility that the female could have locked with a ball python. Even though you did not see them, that does not mean that it did not happen. I know that it is only a slight chance, but if I were the buyer, I would want to know.

I personally do not agree with hybrids, and would never buy a female snake from someone who tried to breed the snake to another species recently.

Please don't take this as me trying to bash you, because that is not what this post is meant to do.

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Originally Posted by mr.spooky

TIM, im none of what you have described, and i am starting my hybrid project.. ill be looking forward to hearing your face leak crap in the future.
spooky

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FYI, there are many keepers out there who will not deal with breeders who breed hybrids. Just something to consider before you venture into breeding hybrids.

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Originally Posted by Wh00h0069

FYI, there are many keepers out there who will not deal with breeders who breed hybrids. Just something to consider before you venture into breeding hybrids.

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Which is only a problem if you look at your animals with dollar signs.

I'll be pursuing a few hybrid projects at some point in time, but I sure won't let the almighty dollar determine what I do with my free time, my animals, and my hobby.

just curious what do blood balls look like? Does anyone have a pic that I can see? i really like to see how one looks like

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Originally Posted by bwt501

exactly my point about responsible breeding and selfish shortsightedness in the name of morbid curiosity. Was the new owner made aware that this blood was being bred to a ball and may very well be gravid with frankensnakes? Bloods have amazing sperm retention abilities (years) and this animal may very well be tainted for future breedings. :confused:

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Originally Posted by bwt501

Far from it. What was such a stretch for you?

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Oh, let's see...
"Selfish shortsightedness"
"may very well be..."
"gravid with frankensnakes"
"tainted for future breedings"

And just the overall tone of the entire paragraph implying that the future of blood pythons is at stake because one female shared a tub with a male ball python a couple of times. But that may be a bit of exaggeration on my own part, as you didn't actually SAY that, but it sure looks like that's how you see it. :rolleyes:

Anyhow...you're certainly entitled to your opinion on hybrids. And I'm entitled to my opinion of how you express your opinion. :P

Here are some blood/ball hybrid pic links:


http://www.roussisreptiles.com/colle...lls/super.html

http://www.darksidereptiles.com/foru...p?topic=1192.0

You can see in the second link a "Mongrel Ball" as well as the F2 "Super Ball"

The mongrel is the reason a lot of people fear this project. When breeding the hybrid back to a ball python, the babies look more like ball pythons. However, the F2 hybrids still look pretty stellar to me, and definitely don't look like either species.

Now, this pairing might have looked different as it was a female blood and male ball. Just like how the liger and the tigron are different due to parents.

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Originally Posted by Wh00h0069

FYI, there are many keepers out there who will not deal with breeders who breed hybrids. Just something to consider before you venture into breeding hybrids.

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thats something to think about..... ill pass that on to N.E.R.D, Ben Siegel, Steve Roussis, and so on. they might also want to rethink their actions. :rofl::rofl:
im not wanting to produce these to put them out to the public, i have one thing that id like to shoot for to have in my persional colection.
spooky

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Originally Posted by mr.spooky

i have one thing that id like to shoot for to have in my persional colection.
spooky

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What are you trying to make out of curiosity? (sorry to derail)

The burm ball is rather nice:confused::D

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Originally Posted by JLC

Oh, let's see...
"Selfish shortsightedness"
"may very well be..."
"gravid with frankensnakes"
"tainted for future breedings"

And just the overall tone of the entire paragraph implying that the future of blood pythons is at stake because one female shared a tub with a male ball python a couple of times. But that may be a bit of exaggeration on my own part, as you didn't actually SAY that, but it sure looks like that's how you see it. :rolleyes:

Anyhow...you're certainly entitled to your opinion on hybrids. And I'm entitled to my opinion of how you express your opinion. :P

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Fair enough, and I won't deny that my intended tone was meant to be abrasive. As a troll with a minimal post count, it is obvious that this is a softer, kinder forum where feelings are easily bruised and any adversity with the core clique is met with cries of foul play and insults. But I do emplore those that don't care for my posts, please realize the passion behind them as Mr.Mead so eloquently posted earlier where he was summarily bashed as well( those that did obviously have no interest or respect for the history of modern herpetoculture, because if you did you would bite your tongue for your snarky distasteful remarks:colbert:).
That being said, feel free to rip into me, it doesn't hurt, that's the beauty of the fake make believe world of the Internet, but do remember that these animals deserve our respect and we owe it to them to keep them in demand because soon enough the only place they will be found is in Rubbermaid tubs in someone's basement. In closing, someone emailed me to ask if they can name their metal band - Gravid with Frankensnakes. Such praise will only embolden me to continue on the path I'm on.:rofl:

I like bateaters personally. ;)

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Originally Posted by purplemuffin

Here are some blood/ball hybrid pic links:


http://www.roussisreptiles.com/colle...lls/super.html

http://www.darksidereptiles.com/foru...p?topic=1192.0

You can see in the second link a "Mongrel Ball" as well as the F2 "Super Ball"

The mongrel is the reason a lot of people fear this project. When breeding the hybrid back to a ball python, the babies look more like ball pythons. However, the F2 hybrids still look pretty stellar to me, and definitely don't look like either species.

Now, this pairing might have looked different as it was a female blood and male ball. Just like how the liger and the tigron are different due to parents.

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thank you,

I think those are lovely, but I like them better when they have more of a ball nose, idkw :/. Overall, I think the patterns are cool :)

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Originally Posted by Daybreaker

What are you trying to make out of curiosity? (sorry to derail)

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i will only say its a recessive gene;)
spooky

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Originally Posted by mainbutter

Which is only a problem if you look at your animals with dollar signs.

I'll be pursuing a few hybrid projects at some point in time, but I sure won't let the almighty dollar determine what I do with my free time, my animals, and my hobby.

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WRONG this ain't your hobby, it's OUR hobby!

They are your snakes, don't get that confused, if you sell all your snakes & your hobby changes next week to motor boating but ours will still be reptiles....then what??

To say when you jump in the public pool it becomes 'yours' cause you have your own towel and trunks and it's OK for you to drop a TURD in the water..

everything we do effect us sooner or later, it's just a matter of time-hence the old farts makin a stink and the young bucks trying [mess] everything up....

generally it's too late before most people realize it though.....for a perfect example look at Pit Bulls.....:salute:

say what you want about mutant freak hybrids but honestly the carpondro is one of the most gorgeous snakes out there and i would certainty enjoy one as a pet with no plans to breed it

http://moreliatrophyclub.com/uploads...ndro2-9mos.jpg

its tough for me to just declare producing a hybrid as "right or wrong" but there are beautiful animals that have come out of this that may have never been witnessed otherwise

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WRONG this ain't your hobby, it's OUR hobby!

They are your snakes, don't get that confused, if you sell all your snakes & your hobby changes next week to motor boating but ours will still be reptiles....then what??

To say when you jump in the public pool it becomes 'yours' cause you have your own towel and trunks and it's OK for you to drop a TURD in the water..

everything we do effect us sooner or later, it's just a matter of time-hence the old farts makin a stink and the young bucks trying [mess] everything up....

generally it's too late before most people realize it though.....for a perfect example look at Pit Bulls.....:salute:

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pit bulls,,,,,,, really? WE NEED A "FLIPPING THE BIRD ICON" BECAUSE ONE IS IN ORDER HERE:please:.
SPOOKY

I don't really understand how pit bulls keep coming up. I've had three pits in my years and none ever hurt a fly. Its how you raise them nothing else...

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this thread has ran its corse . coolio tiff is no longer involved in the project.
now, this thread has taken a hard turn and we all know where its going.
im not even posting in this thread anymore.. in the next few days, i will be starting my own thread, hopefuly picking up where tiff left off.
FYI,, i WILL NOT coment an any negativity, or things that are off subject.

the banner here at BP.net says "the friendliest online comunity for ALL your herping needs" and i would apriciate it if it would be respected.
spooky

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Originally Posted by mr.spooky

this thread has ran its corse . coolio tiff is no longer involved in the project.
now, this thread has taken a hard turn and we all know where its going.
im not even posting in this thread anymore.. in the next few days, i will be starting my own thread, hopefuly picking up where tiff left off.
FYI,, i WILL NOT coment an any negativity, or things that are off subject.

the banner here at BP.net says "the friendliest online comunity for ALL your herping needs" and i would apriciate it if it would be respected.
spooky

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Ill be tuning in spooky. Very curious as to what your plans are. :)

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Originally Posted by mr.spooky

pit bulls,,,,,,, really? WE NEED A "FLIPPING THE BIRD ICON" BECAUSE ONE IS IN ORDER HERE:please:.
SPOOKY

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Funny coming from a guy with a Pit looking dog in the avatar.

That tells me you never seen a TRUE Pit Bull..Most need to go read an old dog book and do some research to how Pits should look, structure and size wise plus drive, not to mention be able to work.
Most the Pits breeders boast they have the best named 'lines', biggest heads, widest chest..blah blah.... Think how many puppies are breed a year from two cool looking dogs, and supported 'breeder' of maybe 6yrs, if that.. the most any have done is x rays (hip-scores) or stood still in a show ring, which hide flaws, yet enough blue ribbons you'll have a 'champion'..hahaha..champion of what standing still...haha..

So yeah I love my PURE Pit Bulls as much as my snakes and I'm sick about how our society views them due to a few BAD APPLES and scared history will repeat itself with snakes......:salute:

I'm waving 'your number one' right back at cha......:salute:

Children. Oh my gosh. I love animals better than you love animals.

Really??? :rolleyes:

I honestly did not expect this thread to get like this.. 14 pages of what I didn't want to read. This is exactly why I haven't posted up until now. It was MY choice to do what I wanted with MY snakes. Not anyone else's. I am not an inexperienced keeper; I know the pros and cons of breeding hybrids, and I know some people just won't like it. But it's MY decision to do what I wanted. I am in no way offended by anyone's posts either.

As Spooky stated, I am no longer involved in this project so I don't want to see further posting on my thread. I wanted people to chime in who were interested in this as much as I was and I appreciate the ones who supported my decision to get into this project. If you REALLY had a problem with my decision, I would have much rather respected your opinion if you PMed me directly. I know others will have their opinions on hybrids and that is completely fine as I respect that, but raging in on my thread isn't necessary. Start your own thread.

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Originally Posted by mr.spooky

thats something to think about..... ill pass that on to N.E.R.D, Ben Siegel, Steve Roussis, and so on. they might also want to rethink their actions. :rofl::rofl:
im not wanting to produce these to put them out to the public, i have one thing that id like to shoot for to have in my persional colection.
spooky

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I don't deal with any of the above.

The issue with that statement is that usually clutches are more than one egg. What are you going to do with all of the other offspring?

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Originally Posted by CoolioTiffany

I honestly did not expect this thread to get like this.. 14 pages of what I didn't want to read. This is exactly why I haven't posted up until now. It was MY choice to do what I wanted with MY snakes. Not anyone else's. I am not an inexperienced keeper; I know the pros and cons of breeding hybrids, and I know some people just won't like it. But it's MY decision to do what I wanted. I am in no way offended by anyone's posts either.

As Spooky stated, I am no longer involved in this project so I don't want to see further posting on my thread. I wanted people to chime in who were interested in this as much as I was and I appreciate the ones who supported my decision to get into this project. If you REALLY had a problem with my decision, I would have much rather respected your opinion if you PMed me directly. I know others will have their opinions on hybrids and that is completely fine as I respect that, but raging in on my thread isn't necessary. Start your own thread.

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Hi Tiffany, when posting on a public forum, you can't control how others will respond. Hybrids are a very touchy subject, and almost every thread ends up like this one has.

Eddie's right, Tiff...once a thread is posted in a public forum, it does not "belong" to the person who posted it. At least, not here. Plus....I'd much rather see anyone who has an issue with this say so in public where the rest of us can step in and intercede if needed...rather than have you harassed in private messages. :hug: You can unsubscribe from the thread and choose not to open it again. Kinda harder to do that with private messages. ;)

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Originally Posted by CoolioTiffany

I honestly did not expect this thread to get like this.. 14 pages of what I didn't want to read. This is exactly why I haven't posted up until now. It was MY choice to do what I wanted with MY snakes. Not anyone else's. I am not an inexperienced keeper; I know the pros and cons of breeding hybrids, and I know some people just won't like it. But it's MY decision to do what I wanted. I am in no way offended by anyone's posts either.

As Spooky stated, I am no longer involved in this project so I don't want to see further posting on my thread. I wanted people to chime in who were interested in this as much as I was and I appreciate the ones who supported my decision to get into this project. If you REALLY had a problem with my decision, I would have much rather respected your opinion if you PMed me directly. I know others will have their opinions on hybrids and that is completely fine as I respect that, but raging in on my thread isn't necessary. Start your own thread.

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I think Tiff needs to go through this thread and re read it as her actions speak louder than her words she typed out....she's claimed to be responsible and had project under control, as long as her Blood didn't eat her Ball.

I don't think you did your homework/research the project as you seemed shocked the thread went this way, that's how a forum works.

you use a lot of 'ME', 'MY' & 'I' through out your posts as it comes across as you don't care about your effect on other's in our hobby

then after you put these 2 together you realize it was too expensive to keep this many snakes .....so you dumped your Female Blood and didn't even mention to new owner what you did with your animals while in your collection from the start....that's some what shady...and really helps/hurts out this thread as you didn't do the things you said you would do....what if she did take, you going to get them all back and keep them all even though it takes money to keep animals??

the responsible thing to do is keep her to make sure you know weather or not she is gravid..plus I doubt she'd break the bank as Bloods have super slow metabolism-

Tiff this is not me attacking you, yet I am making an example of your thread, as it's a page by page break down of how somebody can easily taint our watering hole, then move onto the next one with same reckless abandonment..

I see you on BLBC now and I hope you learn as much as possible before making another quick non educated decisions based on curiosity due to lack of knowledge


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Tiffany didn't get rid of her Blood because it was getting to pricey, if you read it says she wants to concentrate pretty much solely of bp's, which is why she sold her blood. No wheres does it say "I could not pay for her any longer", it actually says "It was getting kinda pricey with what I had". And I am SURE that she let whoever by the blood knowledge that there was a possibility of her being gravid. She's not stupid no matter how much you try to make her out to be.

With that being said, I am dropping from this thread and I'm pretty sure Tiff is too, so for all those who supported or didn't support, but did so in a good manner. Thanks.

For the rest. *tsk, tsk* :colbert:

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Originally Posted by kevinb

Tiffany didn't get rid of her Blood because it was getting to pricey, if you read it says she wants to concentrate pretty much solely of bp's, which is why she sold her blood. No wheres does it say "I could not pay for her any longer", it actually says "It was getting kinda pricey with what I had". And I am SURE that she let whoever by the blood knowledge that there was a possibility of her being gravid. She's not stupid no matter how much you try to make her out to be.

With that being said, I am dropping from this thread and I'm pretty sure Tiff is too, so for all those who supported or didn't support, but did so in a good manner. Thanks.



For the rest. *tsk, tsk* :colbert:

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I'm lost now...your first 2 sentences make-a-no-sense.:D

if what you took from my post is calling Tiff stupid, you clearly missed the point:colbert:

just to be clear....did she or did she not get rid of the blood due to money issue's cause the word 'pricey' keeps coming up ...never mind...I forgot you are over this thread and it's irrelevant at this point

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Thanks for saving me some money guys:gj:
I have wanted a blood for a while but after seeing the mentality of other blood owners and ones I might need help from some day I will just stick with my big balls:cool:

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Originally Posted by PitOnTheProwl

Thanks for saving me some money guys:gj:
I have wanted a blood for a while but after seeing the mentality of other blood owners and ones I might need help from some day I will just stick with my big balls:cool:

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Sometimes a guy gotta just stick with his first love, balls.:O

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Originally Posted by bwt501

Sometimes a guy gotta just stick with his first love, balls.:O

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and the troll is puckering up again:rolleyes:

I never said I couldn't afford my Blood when she gets to her full potential. I did say things were getting pricey food wise, which they were, so I wanted to lower the food bill and have less animals due to getting into Ball pythons more. I breed my own rats so I raise them to feed off to my other Ball pythons when I have no hatchlings.

I already have a large boa and don't want anymore large snakes in my home for now. I have been downsizing my collection slowly for quite some time (a lot quicker now than before) as I had 17 snakes at one point. I didn't want much variety as I did a while back. The only snakes I have now are Ball pythons with two Carpets, two Kings, and a boa which I am using to breed.

I do not feel attacked and see your view on my thread. I understand how some people dislike hybrids and respect that, but I am one who enjoys them and wanted to do produce only one clutch. I am not irresponsible enough to sell them without papers to people who don't know what they are dealing with. I was going to keep them as long as possible until I found the right home for them.

Since these are two completely different species, I find it highly unlikely that they had locked when I wasn't looking because the male just was not having it in him. It can take lots of time for two different species to court. The longest he was with her was for ~2 days.

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Originally Posted by Wh00h0069

Hi Tiffany, when posting on a public forum, you can't control how others will respond. Hybrids are a very touchy subject, and almost every thread ends up like this one has.

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I didn't realize how out of hand this would get after asking one small question about pairing. I mean, 15 pages and over 4K views... :rolleyes:

Although I do understand that just anyone can post their opinion.

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Originally Posted by CoolioTiffany

I didn't realize how out of hand this would get after asking one small question about pairing. I mean, 15 pages and over 4K views... :rolleyes:

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Now you are a SUPER STAR:gj::gj::gj::gj:
:rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:
Sorry, I couldnt resist:oops:

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