first babys of the season hatched!!!!!!!!!!

That'd be a Pastel. Nice babies :)

Is it possible that your mojave breeder male is a pastave?

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Originally Posted by Bill Buchman

Your Fire breeder male is nice indeed. :) I would suggest you hold back the "Fire" hatchling -- if you try and sell it as a Fire you might run into some marketing problems. :colbert: Wishing it is a Fire does not make so -- it IS a Pastel -- but what do I know????;):D

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Bil i respect your opinion greatly and im planing on keeping it anyway, and if it is a pastel which im open to the idea it definitly looks like one, how could this happen, the mojave is just a plain mojave aswell as the fire, and those are the only ones who breed her i promiss you that!!!

does anyone have pastave hatchling pics!!

I AM coming from a place of "helping" not "hating"! :) First, I would think that the girl could have retained some sperm if she has been bred before -- are you sure she is a virgin?

Second, the Mojave could be carrying a second gene(Pastel). Mark suggested he could be a Pastave? Some Pastaves can be visually subtle as adults. Either is possible. I would go with the female retention first. Has the Mojave bred any other girls this season? I would keep an eye out for Pastels in his clutches.

Good luck -- having a Pastave male is a nice problem to have. :gj:

this is a pic of the mojave dad as a baby if this helps!!!!!!!!!
https://ball-pythons.net/gallery/fil...6/DSC00127.JPG

and im telling you this female is a snake i raised from a baby and there has not been a pastel near her

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Originally Posted by SUPERBALLS

wow your telling me what my snake is, sorry bro but i have been doing this for a long time, and if i only breed a fire and a mojave to a first year female then what else would he be, its clearly not a mojave!!!

and heres a pic of the fire dad!!!!!! and when he was born he looked yellow aswell, and hes one of the best looking fires i have seen, straight from Bob Clark and Davies

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First I have been in it since 96 with in break in 01-03, so I'm far from new. Secondly, I'm not the only one to say pastel. And I never asked to see pics of your breeder fire or it's history. If I am breeding fires and hatching fires I think I can tell a fire hatchling from a pastel. You want to be offended that is fine, but wasn't meant to offend you, but I'm also not going to sit by while you act like I don't know a pastel from a fire.

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Originally Posted by briz

First I have been in it since 96 with in break in 01-03, so I'm far from new. Secondly, I'm not the only one to say pastel. And I never asked to see pics of your breeder fire or it's history. If I am breeding fires and hatching fires I think I can tell a fire hatchling from a pastel. You want to be offended that is fine, but wasn't meant to offend you, but I'm also not going to sit by while you act like I don't know a pastel from a fire.

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never said you didnt know the difference, im saying i bred the snakes and i know the history, and clearly i know what a fire is too, considering mine are very nice fires and have been BEL proven breeders!!! i geuss im just a little stumped on how this happened, and congrats for being in the biz so long you should have quite the collection!!!!

does anyone think any of my mojaves could possiblly be pastave!!!

heres a current pic of the mojave dad!!!! not the best pic he looks more yellow in person!!
https://ball-pythons.net/gallery/fil...6/dsc01334.jpg