I need help :(

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Originally Posted by Skiploder

If you really think IBD is an option, have her tested for it.

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There is no reliable test for IBD for a living animal. The only somewhat definitive tests are for deceased animals to confirm/deny the presence of IBD.

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Originally Posted by cinderbird

There is no reliable test for IBD for a living animal. The only somewhat definitive tests are for deceased animals to confirm/deny the presence of IBD.

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100% correct. it requires a necropsy, and even then there is no definitive yes or no.

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Originally Posted by JeffJ

100% correct. it requires a necropsy, and even then there is no definitive yes or no.

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You can have various biopsies done on a live snake - liver, esophageal tonsils, kidneys, gall bladder, etc.

I've had them done on animals in my collection.

They are not 100% reliable only because the biopsied organ needs to have identifiable inclusion cells in it to make a diagnosis.

Absence of inclusion cells does not necessarily mean the animal is disease free - it just means that the organ biopsied is free of inclusion cells. They are also not cheap.

To say that there are no reliable tests on living animals to screen or check for IBD is blatantly false.

http://www.reptilechannel.com/reptil...y-disease.aspx

http://www.boa-constrictors.com/com/Haltung/IBDEng.htm

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Originally Posted by Skiploder

100% wrong - you can have various biopsies done on a live snake - liver, esophageal tonsils, kidneys, gall bladder, etc.

I've had them done on animals in my collection.

They are not 100% reliable only because the biopsied organ needs to have identifiable inclusion cells in it to make a diagnosis.

Absence of inclusion cells does not necessarily mean the animal is disease free - it just means that the organ biopsied is free of inclusion cells. They are also not cheap.

To say that there are no reliable tests on living animals to screen or check for IBD is blatantly false.

http://www.reptilechannel.com/reptil...y-disease.aspx

http://www.boa-constrictors.com/com/Haltung/IBDEng.htm

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notice how i agreed that there was no RELIABLE test for IBD. Ad if we were gauging probability of a successful test for IBD it would be the necropsy always as every organ could be examined in full. an my statement was directed to wards a better answer. and there is no way to get a definitive one with out a necropsy and even then it has been said that they are guesses at best.

biopsies are not reliable. and neither is a necropsy.

she is 100% correct i see no fault in her statement. there is no reliable test live and dead for that matter for IBD. it also takes a vet that knows what they are doing. which some times is harder to find then one would think in the herp world.

we were not protesting the ability of a test. just the reliability. i get the impression you like to argue much ;)


re⋅li⋅a⋅ble
   /rɪˈlaɪəbəl/ Show Spelled Pronunciation [ri-lahy-uh-buhl] Show IPA
–adjective
that may be relied on; dependable in achievement, accuracy, honesty, etc.: reliable information.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/reliable

my Motorcycle is reliable, it starts every time. a test that may or may not yield results is not, that would be called gambling. you contradicted your self in your statement
in order for that test to be reliable at all it would have to achieve results constantly to deem its reliability. a car that only starts 1 out of every 5 times would be considered unreliable. therefore there are no tests that can be done live that can be reliable to find IBD. its a crap shoot. and so is a necropsy.

anyways, i can say pretty confidently IBD is not the issue here.

ive been informed of the history of the Boa in question.

and this is not a thread for argument on testing methods. so lets agree to disagree.

anyways i got some of that supliment today. i will keep you all updated.

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Originally Posted by jeffj

notice how i agreed that there was no reliable test for ibd. Ad if we were gauging probability of a successful test for ibd it would be the necropsy always as every organ could be examined in full. An my statement was directed to wards a better answer. And there is no way to get a definitive one with out a necropsy and even then it has been said that they are guesses at best.

Biopsies are not reliable. And neither is a necropsy.

She is 100% correct i see no fault in her statement. There is no reliable test live and dead for that matter for ibd. It also takes a vet that knows what they are doing. Which some times is harder to find then one would think in the herp world.

We were not protesting the ability of a test. Just the reliability. I get the impression you like to argue much ;)


re⋅li⋅a⋅ble
   /rɪˈlaɪəbəl/ show spelled pronunciation [ri-lahy-uh-buhl] show ipa
–adjective
that may be relied on; dependable in achievement, accuracy, honesty, etc.: Reliable information.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/reliable

my motorcycle is reliable, it starts every time. A test that may or may not yield results is not, that would be called gambling. You contradicted your self in your statement
in order for that test to be reliable at all it would have to achieve results constantly to deem its reliability. A car that only starts 1 out of every 5 times would be considered unreliable. Therefore there are no tests that can be done live that can be reliable to find ibd. Its a crap shoot. And so is a necropsy.

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Update:

I have been giving her that supplement in her water. and she is very hungry.

Last night she some how escaped, which i cant see how as there is 2mm gap around the top for air and some small ir holes and its got a latch to keep it closed. but she got out! i found her inside my girlfriends shoe hiding from the kitten but also plotting to eat the hamster. as the shoes were on a shelf right beside the hamster.

so i have her in my Cleaning tub right now. will be moving her OT a more secure enclosure soon.

So its been a week. only one more to go before i can feed my hungry girl. and cross my fingers.

Good luck man! Let us know how it turns out.

I'd feed her 10-14 days after a regurge, then feed 1/2 size pray for 3 weeks. I've heard putting grapefruit seed extract in the drinking water helps with adding back some acid.

Cool bro, make sure you shake some of the nutriBAC on the meal for her too.

Good luck!