Python Invasion: Everyone PANIC

While I agree with a bunch of what you all have posted here I don't understand why the usfwc does not just adopt Florida's new set of laws. It is really simple in order to buy the "reptiles of concern" you
A: have to apply for a class 3 license; which includes a rather lengthy questionnaire which is questions dealing with the husbandry of the animal as well as questions for hurricane evacuation plans.( I realize not everywhere has hurricanes so lets say natural disaster substituted for hurricane)
B: you have to that license before the pet shops can even sell you the snake or monitor.
C: you have to have it chipped in case it gets out or let go(for the irresponsible people)
I agree that most of the proposal is garbage I do think there should be certain regs put in place for the morons in the world who think nothing of the long term responsibilities they are getting into.

1.1 Normal BP (Monte, Damien)
0.0.1 Spotted Python (Spot)
2.3 BCI (King, Jessi, Lestat, Akasha, Pandora)
1.0 BCC (Surinam) (Marius) looking for the right 0.1 for him
1.1 Savannah Monitor ( Grumpy, Snow)
0.1 Northern Australian Blue Tongue Skink (Rosey)

I don't think anyone can say there is no global warning. The earth goes through natural periods of warming and cooling. I do find it hard to understand how people jump on this hysteria band though. For the most part, the weather is still a largely understood system. (which is why they can't even accuarately project temps a week in advance) So when models are created, they are done with many assumptions and uncertainties. (which are never included when discussing their results) These models that are projecting these huges swings in climate, aren't even accurate a few years out. There is a huge amount of money involved here. From grants (which are looking for solutions to global warming, not IF there is significant human impact on global warming) to politicians who use it as a platform to get nothing accomplished. The Kyoto treaty was a huge failure in accomplishing it's job, but eveyone feels the need to do 'something'. Be careful or that 'something' will be paid for out of your pocket. Remember whenever more strict regulations are put into the works, you as the consumer absorb those costs. Many industries are finally forced to move to other countries, where they are not restricted. Then the pollution is at least twice as bad. Everything comes at a cost. The question is whether or not the cost is worth it.

Eventually costs will get so high that people will not be able to afford basics, then do you really think they will care whether or not they are polluting. Only economies that have generated wealth can have the luxury to worry over making better, cleaner energy. A balance needs to be struck, but that will not happen when people are so emotionally involved and unable to look at the actual facts.

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Originally Posted by Oroborous

Yes, global warming is indeed true, those who believe otherwise are kidding themselves. But obviously humans are speeding up the process quite a bit.

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I know this is difficult to believe, but scientists aren't always objective. There is NO evidence that humans are interfering in any way with the global temperature. We have no way to know what the temperatures would do if we weren't here. Like I said earlier, carbon does not cause temps to rise.

As several people have already mentioned, this is not the first cycle of warming and cooling (incidentally, the four international global temperature monitoring stations all say we've gone DOWN almost a whole degree in the last bit).
According to the Goddard Institute of Space Science, 1934 is actually the hottest year on record (not 1998 as some initially reported).

Year Temp (deg C)
1934 1.25
1998 1.23
1921 1.15
2006 1.13
1931 1.08
1999 0.93
1953 0.90
1990 0.87
1938 0.86
1939 0.85


Even the World Meterological Organization shows a cooling trend over the last five years.


So why isn't 2007 the hottest year if we are causing all this?

Why are five of the hottest 10 years before the widespread use of automobiles?

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Originally Posted by Oroborous

As for the government stepping in on our hobby, I think it's necessary, but only to a point.

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And now we get to the real aim of some of the environmental extremists... they want you to think the government regulating you is 'necessary.' We'll all give up a little freedom for the common good... after all, it's to save the planet, right?

At the very least (even if you buy into this malarky), we should recognize that the costs involved are not worth any potential gain. Kyoto would've cost billions (almost all from us) and do you know what the net gain would've been? -0.07 degrees!!! They can't even measure that!

i wouldnt be that mad seeing a burm in my backyard. in fact i might be happy if it ate my neighbors devil cat. =] =] =] =]

More large predators are needed, to weed out the slow, sick, and stupid. I say bring back velociraptors. And start breeding them for color morphs.

I totally agree with the poster on the first page about responsible giant snake ownership. I konw breeders have a living to make, but damn. I was at a local show and this dumb-ASS teenager was talking about buying an anaconda. A freaking anaconda. This kid would have had trouble buying a pack of gum. The breeder didn't have any anacondas, but did have, and sold this kid, a retic. I thought it was highly irresponsible to sell that snake to that kid, who obviously lives at home, and whose parents weren't present, and who gave every impression possible that he was just a dumb assed kid that thought having a big snake was cool.

Oh, and for my .02 for the other tangents this thread has gone down.

There is no man made global warming. None. Global climate change happens as a function of nature, mostly due to solar activity.

Government intervention into people enjoying a hobby in a non threatening, non criminal way is just plain wrong. They do it because, as Ayn Rand said, you can't govern innocent men. The only way to have more power is to regulate more activity. Go ask anyone at AR15.com what I mean if this is confusing.

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Originally Posted by drew5337

More large predators are needed, to weed out the slow, sick, and stupid. I say bring back velociraptors. And start breeding them for color morphs.

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I agree with most of you, guys, but I think that burmese, retics and condas sales should, at least be restricted. I would never buy a pet that could grow too big to be taken care of. People out there in Florida are being stupid releasing their pets in the Everglades. They don't realize that the tiny snake or the baby nile monitor they bought in the petstore will grow TOO BIG in a few years, to be kept . Big mistake, and now we are facing the possible banning to our hobby, because of a bunch of irresponsible morons that didn't know what they were buying !

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Originally Posted by betoiguanas

Big mistake, and now we are facing the possible banning to our hobby, because of a bunch of irresponsible morons that didn't know what they were buying !

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The new owners that can't care for them are stupid. The breeders that sell them to irresponsible owners are not really stupid, they are greedy and they do not care about the animal or the future of other hobbyists.

If people want to try to keep the government from regulating ownership then they had best start to try to improve the standards that breeders and sellers abide by NOW.

Websites that have ads can strongly encourage their advertisers to agree to some ethical standards. Herp shows can do the same. Peer pressure won't fix all of the problems but it will help.