Look at JKR’s animals or even Debra’s on MorphMarket and u will see what the outcome of great quality animals.
To to be completely honest, this isn’t a play around thing breeding animals. If u are this concerned about money and lack the basic knowledge of ball python genetics then u definitely shouldn’t be breeding them. If u are trying to learn then do some research for a few years and you will learn everything that has been said on this thread so true that u will feel silly for questioning it.
Appreciate the help. Definitely not about the money. Just want to do it right.
03-25-2019, 03:22 AM
Danger noodles
Re: Making a BEL.
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Originally Posted by ShawarmaPoutine
Appreciate the help. Definitely not about the money. Just want to do it right.
It takes time to learn about these animals. There are more genes out there than any other snake! It’s crazy! But if ur passionate about it then u will enjoy the long route!
03-25-2019, 03:39 AM
ShawarmaPoutine
Re: Making a BEL.
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Originally Posted by Danger noodles
It takes time to learn about these animals. There are more genes out there than any other snake! It’s crazy! But if ur passionate about it then u will enjoy the long route!
Which explains why I spent the past 12 hours researching and still know nothing.
03-25-2019, 05:09 AM
Danger noodles
Re: Making a BEL.
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Originally Posted by ShawarmaPoutine
Which explains why I spent the past 12 hours researching and still know nothing.
U know nothing Jon snow... lol
03-25-2019, 08:26 AM
asplundii
Re: Making a BEL.
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Originally Posted by ShawarmaPoutine
I mean please help me understand how both of these are GHI + Mojave yet look so different:
I mean I can understand that nothing comes out looking the same.. but what the heck is happening here? Is this because one of the parents was a good or bad example of either GHI or Mojave?
The short answer is because in addition to the two genes you care about (GHI and Mojave) there are some 30,000-odd other genes that have can an effect on the final outcome of the animal. This is where the whole "selective" part of selective breeding comes in to play. If you like dorsal stripes than you buy animals that have strong dorsal stripes for your colony, even if it might mean they have less of the colouring you prefer. Likewise, if you like reduced patterning then you do not buy busy patterned animals.
Now, as to how to get the whitest BluEL... I would agree with the Butter/Mojave option but I will caveat that all BluEL have the potential for a faint yellow dorsal stripe. If that bothers you then I would suggest trying to get Fire or Yellowbelly into it as well. Both of these have an impact on pigment deposition and so they can act in a synergistic manner.
03-25-2019, 10:37 AM
Alter-Echo
Adding hypo to a bel would probably work as well... when I breed my blackbee mojave orange ghost to my butter orange ghost, I'm hoping to test this.
03-26-2019, 08:21 AM
asplundii
Re: Making a BEL.
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Originally Posted by Alter-Echo
Adding hypo to a bel would probably work as well...
I have a Hypo Lesser/Mojave, she has a dorsal stripe. It is faint but it is certainly there
03-30-2019, 07:54 AM
Being_As_An_Ocean
Re: Making a BEL.
Does any combination of mojave and lesser make a BEL no matter if there are other genes in the snake? A breeder is selling a snake at the moment and is saying he believes there is mojave, lesser and fire in a snake which isn't white at all, it's an absolutely stunning looking snake, a full cream stripe on the back next to dark grey fading to cream the closer to the belly. I was just wondering if there are mojave lesser combos that aren't white?
03-30-2019, 08:53 AM
ShawarmaPoutine
Re: Making a BEL.
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Originally Posted by Being_As_An_Ocean
Does any combination of mojave and lesser make a BEL no matter if there are other genes in the snake? A breeder is selling a snake at the moment and is saying he believes there is mojave, lesser and fire in a snake which isn't white at all, it's an absolutely stunning looking snake, a full cream stripe on the back next to dark grey fading to cream the closer to the belly. I was just wondering if there are mojave lesser combos that aren't white?
A Butter x Mojave x Cinnamon isn’t white either. I am thinking that the presence of another gene added to the allelic pair (which made it a BEL) will make it look different from a BEL. But I’ll definitely wait for someone more experienced to chime in before I started preaching in the streets.
03-30-2019, 09:11 AM
Danger noodles
Yes some genes added in will change it. When ur reducing colors and add something like cinnamon that add back in color it changes everything. And no that’s probably not the right way to say that, so someone can chime in with the different pigmentations that each gene changes etc. but to answer the question is it just depends. if u want a bel just breed the right stuff and don’t take a chance.
