Another pitbull kills, this time a little girl

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Originally Posted by Gio

Cancer was the only dangerous thing in this dog's life.

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Beautiful girl. I only thing I differ with is cancer AND the human race. :gj:

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Originally Posted by PitOnTheProwl

There are plenty of cities that infringe on my rights to allow you yours.
You cannot pick what you want regulated and then choose not to regulate another part of it.
Before this gets sent to QT for people stirring the pot, let me ask you this:
Can you prove to me it was a true APBT?

130#, I call media bull!! The term pitbull is just plain money for the media and the sheep that follow.

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I would appreciate it if you had read my previous responses.VVVV

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Originally Posted by omnibus2

But they are dangerous animals. It scares me how some people-not necessarily you-refuse to accept this.
For example, I accept that reticulated pythons are dangerous animals. I am not stupid, nor am I ignorant. I listen to the facts and the biology. I also know that pitbulls are dangerous. This doesn't mean you can't love your python or pitbull! It just means that just like any potentially dangerous animal, there need to be regulations-perhaps a license and a competency test.

Don't you agree with that? That way we can prevent idiots from buying and mishandling pitbulls and pythons-because if they do, things like this happen and you get a bad rap! And that leads to a full ban! Just like tigers and lions-should everyone and anyone be able to buy a lion, a tiger, or even, a gabon viper? No, that's silly. Only people who prove they are able to handle these animals should.

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Not once did I pick and choose like you accuse me of. I am asking for an equal treatment of all potentially dangerous animals-be it tigers, reticulated pythons, or dogs.

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Can you prove to me it was a true APBT?

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All of the media outlets say that it was a pitbull. But no, I guess I can't prove 100% with empirical evidence that it was a pitbull. Just like we can't prove that those giant snakes were actually anacondas or burmese pythons. Also see the following:

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Originally Posted by omnibus2

Thank you for bringing this to my attention as it is a valid point. Then, perhaps, whichever dog encompasses the "pitbull" should be regulated-whichever mix of breeds these are, that have been recorded attacking people, should be regulated.

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There are plenty of cities that infringe on my rights to allow you yours.

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I would appreciate seeing any examples.

I do not see why this needs to be moved to the QT, as we are having legitimate, respectful discussions. Nevertheless you are the moderator and it's up to you. I personally look forward to discussing this issue with fellow forum members as most people here appear to be smart, reasonable people who love their pets-just like I do.

Just because something has killed does not make the whole breed dangerous.

How many pit bulls are out there and how many have killed somebody?

You really need to look deep into the history of the breed before you say they are dangerous. Then we can apply it to rotties, dobeis, GSD's presas, mastiffs, giant schnauzers, Big, black labs, golden retrievers and they have all done a number on somebody, trust me. We could apply it to stupid people that should not be allowed to reproduce.

You are insisting that pit bulls are dangerous based on the fact that a limited number have had incidents. So have many other dogs and pets.

You think homeslice, dog fighter is going to get a permit?

My current pit bull is a 1 year old rescue/stray dumped and recovered in North Minneapolis.

If we didn't adopt her they would have put her down.

Once again, I own another great dog.


Tigers and lions and the other animals you mention are not domesticated, they are not native, they are not trainable to the extent a dog is, and they actually will view us as food. Even if they don't their playing is so physically strong they could do major damage just by playing rough.

That issue really doesn't relate here because the requirements of such animals are so far off from dogs.

The fact that snakes ARE easy keepers and require a lot less than the huge mammals you mentioned negates them from the tigers and lions list. Snake in cage, stored in safe area. And if owner has a problem they know what they are into.

My current pit weight 50 pounds. A male Siberian tiger is well overt 500 pounds.

You can't really turn a pit bull into something it's not.

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Originally Posted by omnibus2

I would appreciate it if you had read my previous responses.VVVV.

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I did and made the choice not to respond to those.

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Originally Posted by omnibus2

I would appreciate seeing any examples.

I do not see why this needs to be moved to the QT, as we are having legitimate, respectful discussions. Nevertheless you are the moderator and it's up to you. I personally look forward to discussing this issue with fellow forum members as most people here appear to be smart, reasonable people who love their pets-just like I do.

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Examples of what? Dog bans or ignorance? Colorado and Florida are the first two that come to mind.

And yes this is going to be a warning straight out to everyone to keep this civil in public so it wont need to be moved. (just to make sure no one thinks I am directing this at any one person)

Border collies, huskies, pomeranians, presa canarios, German shepherds, Australian shepherds, labradors, golden retrievers, just to name a few, are all responsible for killing and seriously maiming people. To be consistent, I would like to see you include those breeds in your arguments to regulate who can or can't own a certain dog.

Personally I am not in favor of banning any dog breed. Can a dog be dangerous? Yes they can. And some dogs have more potential to be dangerous than others, however I believe the reasons for that are factors other than breed. Size, training, socializing, handling, housing, and general care are factors that help determine a dog's potential to be dangerous. Those are regardless of breed.

And like others, I doubt it was even a real pit bull responsible for this attack. I suspect it was more likely a mastiff, but we will likely never know. Regardless, number one rule about dogs and children: never leave them together unsupervised.

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Originally Posted by PitOnTheProwl

I did and made the choice not to respond to those.





Examples of what? Dog bans or ignorance? Colorado and Florida are the first two that come to mind.

And yes this is going to be a warning straight out to everyone to keep this civil in public so it wont need to be moved. (just to make sure no one thinks I am directing this at any one person)

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Yep Denver has a no pit bull policy. Ohio is if not as a state banning them, the municipalities in the metro have done their best.

I'd like to know just when Pit Bulls were deemed dangerous because these dogs have been around since before the USA was even settled.

It's not the dogs, but the owners. Unfortunately just like guns, you can't control what idiot is going to own the dog.

Mind you I have a close friend that never should have owned a pit bull or any dog, but he felt he and his family needed one.

They put the dog down because it was "hyper",,, I could barley speak to him for months after that.

Stupid human tricks!!!

Wow never would i expect to see this on a reptile forum. Pit bulls are no more dangerous then any other dog. It is how they are raised. To be against exotics bans and be for banning a breed of dog is probably the most hypocritical thing i have ever herd.

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Originally Posted by PitOnTheProwl

I did and made the choice not to respond to those.

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Okay.

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Examples of what? Dog bans or ignorance? Colorado and Florida are the first two that come to mind.

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Examples of this:

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Originally Posted by PitOnTheProwl

There are plenty of cities that infringe on my rights to allow you yours.

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Coming from when you said

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Originally Posted by PitOnTheProwl

There are plenty of cities that infringe on my rights to allow you yours.
You cannot pick what you want regulated and then choose not to regulate another part of it.
Before this gets sent to QT for people stirring the pot, let me ask you this:
Can you prove to me it was a true APBT?

130#, I call media bull!! The term pitbull is just plain money for the media and the sheep that follow.

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When you accused me of favoring my pets over pitbulls which I never did.

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Originally Posted by Gio

Just because something has killed does not make the whole breed dangerous.

How many pit bulls are out there and how many have killed somebody?

You really need to look deep into the history of the breed before you say they are dangerous. Then we can apply it to rotties, dobeis, GSD's presas, mastiffs, giant schnauzers, Big, black labs, golden retrievers and they have all done a number on somebody, trust me. We could apply it to stupid people that should not be allowed to reproduce.

You are insisting that pit bulls are dangerous based on the fact that a limited number have had incidents. So have many other dogs and pets.

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Yes, I am. How many attacks and killings do there have to be for you to accept that they are dangerous? Also please answer: Do you believe gabon vipers are dangerous?

Remember folks: By saying that pitbulls are dangerous I am NOT saying they are evil monsters. I am merely, as a Biologist, stating the facts which means that certain considerations must be taken when dealing with these animals. Not just pitbulls-any dog, any animal that has numerous reported incidents of killing/attacking people.

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My current pit bull is a 1 year old rescue/stray dumped and recovered in North Minneapolis.

If we didn't adopt her they would have put her down.

Once again, I own another great dog.

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Every single time I am flooded with people saying they have pitbulls and love them. Great. I've worked with pitbulls, I even had to restrain them, and not once did they give me problems. But that doesn't mean it is not a potentially dangerous breed/breeds.

Let me tell you: Not every lion has attacked humans. There are people who keep lions in captivity and have no problems. Therefore according to such logic, lions are not dangerous.

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Tigers and lions and the other animals you mention are not domesticated, they are not native, they are not trainable to the extent a dog is, and they actually will view us as food. Even if they don't their playing is so physically strong they could do major damage just by playing rough.

That issue really doesn't relate here because the requirements of such animals are so far off from dogs.

The fact that snakes ARE easy keepers and require a lot less than the huge mammals you mentioned negates them from the tigers and lions list. Snake in cage, stored in safe area. And if owner has a problem they know what they are into.

My current pit weight 50 pounds. A male Siberian tiger is well overt 500 pounds.

You can't really turn a pit bull into something it's not.

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Tigers and Lions aren't native? Neither are pitbulls.
How can you say they are not trainable to the extent a dog is? What you are saying about lions is exactly like ignorant people who say "pitbulls are untrainable violent monsters!"

Look here
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hFThnP8ts6s

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Originally Posted by sorraia

Border collies, huskies, pomeranians, presa canarios, German shepherds, Australian shepherds, labradors, golden retrievers, just to name a few, are all responsible for killing and seriously maiming people. To be consistent, I would like to see you include those breeds in your arguments to regulate who can or can't own a certain dog.

Personally I am not in favor of banning any dog breed. Can a dog be dangerous? Yes they can. And some dogs have more potential to be dangerous than others, however I believe the reasons for that are factors other than breed. Size, training, socializing, handling, housing, and general care are factors that help determine a dog's potential to be dangerous. Those are regardless of breed.

And like others, I doubt it was even a real pit bull responsible for this attack. I suspect it was more likely a mastiff, but we will likely never know. Regardless, number one rule about dogs and children: never leave them together unsupervised.

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If any dog has a lot of reported incidents of killing people, there should be regulations on that breed for public safety. Not bans, regulations.

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Originally Posted by bigt0006

Wow never would i expect to see this on a reptile forum. Pit bulls are no more dangerous then any other dog. It is how they are raised. To be against exotics bans and be for banning a breed of dog is probably the most hypocritical thing i have ever herd.

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Hi bigt0006, I am very upset that you would make such an ignorant statement. I was never for banning a breed of dog and I never said such a thing. Please read the previous posts before accusing me of something I did not do.

Any dog can be dangerous. I have a akc cert lab that is registered as a dangerous dog that proves this point. He loves me and only me knows close to 80 commands but if he does not like you and I am not around things will go south. He is a great dog but to use your venomous snake analogy he must be handled with care.

To top that off he now lives with my parents (he respects my father as well as he does me)...the evil pit bull lives with me my wife and my 3 month old daughter...If you need pics the only ones I have are of her cuddling and sleeping beside my daughter....