Freaking out!! Fire to Normal makes white snake?!!

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Originally Posted by asplundii

In the link Hooblah posted there is a post by me that has a second link which explains the "null" phenomenon. The "mechanism" is really very simple; a second copy of the gene (in this case the WT copy) is simply missing, by way of any of a number of means.

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Here. Save you the time having to hunt it down:

http://www.reptileradio.net/ball-pyt...tml#post769750

Hmmm very interesting to see! Mom really does look normal.. I'll be following this one!

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Mom looks a LOT like my dinker female. I might have to put my fire male with her next year!

I would love to see the pic of it when it's out of the egg! Do you have a pic of the dame completely exposed (head to tail)?

Can the null phenomenon happen with just the male genes contributing? Most parthenogenesis involves the female genes.

Look at Mom's head: that's a lot of blushing. I bet she's carrying a fire gene allele.

Anyway, you should definitely repeat this pairing. It's for SCIENCE.

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ps. Congratulations on winning the random white snake lottery!

Yea, she must carry something compatible with fire. Isn't the lemonback the same allele? I am sure there are others and mom sure had a surprise up her sleeve. Can't wait to see these little ones out!

I can't wait to see what happens when you eventually breed that white baby.

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hopefully the white ones a male... back to mommy he can go! Plus you can breed it to other females then and see what surprises come out.

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Originally Posted by loonunit

Can the null phenomenon happen with just the male genes contributing? Most parthenogenesis involves the female genes.

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"Null" phenomenon and parthenogenesis are wholly unrelated and have nothing to do with one another.

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Originally Posted by elbee

Yea, she must carry something compatible with fire.

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No necessarily

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Originally Posted by elbee

Isn't the lemonback the same allele?

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Yes, it is. But it is not at all a subtle morph that could ever be mistaken for a WT

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Originally Posted by elbee

I am sure there are others

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Obviously there are: Disco and Vanilla and RDR DesertLemon and Sulphur and Flame Hypo and Lucifer and Eraserhead and... But here is the thing, there is an absolute trend line these morphs follow and the more normal they look the less they react with Fire. So if that female is some type of "cryptic" BlkEL allele then she would not produce a white snake when bred to a Fire.

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Originally Posted by Coleslaw007

I can't wait to see what happens when you eventually breed that white baby.

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Fires and normals

Very interesting. Can't wait to see how things progress with this.