Orangebelly morphs

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Originally Posted by AGoldReptiles

Goblins( RDR) and Bling YB ( NERD) are just lines of YB. They don't do anything different than any other YB. Orangebellies have the potential to make something different. Ultras and Graphites, that to me makes them different. Let's use the Ultra as an example. They have a lot if purples and color that fades to the typical Ivory color as they age as stated above. What is going to happen when other genes are in that animal? Will a Pastel Ultra keep it's color better? I think the OB has a lot to be seen yet.

I don't see how it is possible for the Ultras and Graphites to be a recessive trait. OB x YB can make Graphites, so unless that YB happened to be a (Het.) I just don't see it being plausible. Hopefully someday it will all be sorted out.

I have been working with OB's for a few years now. I don't have any YB animals to make any comparisons as for dark, light, orange, or yellow, but I can say that the OB morph is variable just like any other morph. I have produced dark ones, bright ones, ones with more orange and ones with more yellow.

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OB are still jut a different line of YB regardless.

At the time I talked to Ben (who started the project) his theory on the additional gene was that it was a recessive gene attached to the OB, the Ultra in his opinion at the time was and Ivory carrying that specific gene. In other words his thought at the time that

OB Het? X OB Het? = Make graphite and ultras (ultras being ivory het?), at the time more breeding needed to be done to confirmed this and I am not sure where he stands now.

As for OB X YB producing Graphite does not prove it's not recessive the YB could have very well carry the gene as well.

Just like not all OB to OB pairing make Ultras or Graphite hence the additional gene.

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Originally Posted by Deborah

OB are still jut a different line of YB regardless.

At the time I talked to Ben (who started the project) his theory on the additional gene was that it was a recessive gene attached to the OB, the Ultra in his opinion at the time was and Ivory carrying that specific gene. In other words his thought at the time that

OB Het? X OB Het? = Make graphite and ultras (ultras being ivory het?), at the time more breeding needed to be done to confirmed this and I am not sure where he stands now.

As for OB X YB producing Graphite does not prove it's not recessive the YB could have very well carry the gene as well.

Just like not all OB to OB pairing make Ultras or Graphite hence the additional gene.

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I know who started the OB as I bought mine from Ben :)

It is obvious that there is another gene at play to make the Ultras and Graphites. I just don't think it is recessive. If the YB in a OB x YB that makes a Graphite was in fact a " Het." then why do we not have Ultras and Graphites popping up in YB x YB clutchs? Surely someone one get lucky and line up unknown "Hets." if this were the case.

Another reason that I don't believe it to be a recessive trait is that non ultra Ivories from the OB line have later produced Graphites. So if they were " Hets." shouldn't they have been at least Ultras ?

Either it is still unknown what is going on with this gene or If someone has it figured out they haven't posted what those findings are that I have seen.

I wouldn't go writing OB off as nothing more than a YB. They are compatible and OB's can do anything a YB can do, but YB's can't do all that an OB can do. And we have just scratched the surface with this gene. Again I think we will see big things down the road from the OB, but that's just my opinion :)

Thank you all for your input, I sent Ben a message and this is a quote from a lady named Melody: "If you produce anything from the OB, you can say "from BSR line of graphite ivories" - but it being anything different or new, I'm not sure would be valid." I look forward to working with this morph as not a lot of people seem to be.

One thing I think that should happen is all the people who have produced anything with Orangebelly in it should submit it to WOB so that it can be updated.