All monitors have "venom" in their saliva?

Thanks for the info Zack.:D

But.. does this mean that there is 3 venomous species of lizards now:O? I wanted a Komodo named Puppy...:(

Allergenic, not everyone knows this fact about monitors. Heck I search about a lot of things and I've never heard of this until now. So, I'm guessing if I didn't know this simple fact, I'm sure many others don't know it either..

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Originally Posted by Hulihzack

Just because it was discovered several years ago does not mean it is common knowledge.

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Just because you didn't know it, does not mean it's obscure?

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Originally Posted by allergenic

Venom in some lizards including varanids is really old news, I'm surprised this still comes up on message boards (seemingly always with some guy answering "no it's bacteria"). 2002 called, it wants its misinformation back.

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In science, something that's only a few years old is actually extremely new news if it's accurate. Just because you have been aware of it does not mean it's circulated through the populous of herp informants and keepers yet.

They have also been working on proving that DNA is a triple helix up at Northwestern Illinois U for over ten years, and spent a few billion dollars on it. But many people don't seem to 'know' something that's been going on for quite a while now.

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Originally Posted by Skiploder

Not just Komodos..........

http://www.venomdoc.com/forums/viewt...62f5b0678cfbb1

C'mon guys - a simple search using "varanid venom" would have not only yielded you this thread but the actual paper.............

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VERY interesting! I did not know about all of this. I'll have to bookmark that.

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Originally Posted by allergenic

Just because you didn't know it, does not mean it's obscure?

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I don't believe I was speaking for just myself.

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Originally Posted by allergenic

Just because you didn't know it, does not mean it's obscure?

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Don't start up a riot on my thread..
I know how you can get so leave that on a down low.

It's now known that there are dozens of venomous lizards. The announcement of true venom in Komodos led people to look closer, and now they're finding it in other monitors (probably all of them), bearded dragons and other agamids, and in iguanids too.

According to Fry, "the “venom clade” includes the iguanians (of which chameleons are a subset), the anguids (legless and alligator lizards), and the monitors."

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Originally Posted by WingedWolfPsion

It's now known that there are dozens of venomous lizards. The announcement of true venom in Komodos led people to look closer, and now they're finding it in other monitors (probably all of them), bearded dragons and other agamids, and in iguanids too.

According to Fry, "the “venom clade” includes the iguanians (of which chameleons are a subset), the anguids (legless and alligator lizards), and the monitors."

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sssshhhhhhhh..........don't tell anyone this..........but also most colubrids are venomous........with the exception of elaphe, lampropeltis and pituophis......

.....yes Virginia - that garter snake in you backyard has venom.

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Originally Posted by blackcrystal22

In science, something that's only a few years old is actually extremely new news if it's accurate. Just because you have been aware of it does not mean it's circulated through the populous of herp informants and keepers yet.

They have also been working on proving that DNA is a triple helix up at Northwestern Illinois U for over ten years, and spent a few billion dollars on it. But many people don't seem to 'know' something that's been going on for quite a while now.

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You're trying to say that the failure of Steve down at the Chevy dealership to know about the discovery of a triple helix is the same thing as a supposed varanid enthusiast not knowing about several year old varanid specific information on a varanid specific message section of a message board. It's apples and oranges.

Anyway, for further reading, here's a more recent paper by Fry:
http://www.venomdoc.com/downloads/20...modo&Megalania

Rename the file with a .pdf extension to open.

Also, the older paper:
http://eebweb.arizona.edu/courses/Ec...mEvolution.pdf

Well, are these venoms of the snakes and lizards actually extremely effective? Like the Gilas and Beadeds causing you extreme pain when they inject their venom in, like the snakes in South America that can kill you pretty quickly once the venom is injected?

Hognose's venom is not very potent. I hear it can get as bad as a Copperhead bite, but I also hear that's rare. Boomslangs are a different story, I still don't see how they are considered a colubrid instead of an elapid.

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Well, are these venoms of the snakes and lizards actually extremely effective? Like the Gilas and Beadeds causing you extreme pain when they inject their venom in, like the snakes in South America that can kill you pretty quickly once the venom is injected?

Hognose's venom is not very potent. I hear it can get as bad as a Copperhead bite, but I also hear that's rare. Boomslangs are a different story, I still don't see how they are considered a colubrid instead of an elapid.

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The venom of the thrasops jacksonii is the same as the venom of the boomslang - the difference is in the effectiveness of the delivery system. A good bite from a boomslang, with it's three mobile teeth and compressor musculature can kill you, a bite from a nominally enlarged-fanged thrasops won't.

However, to small prey like a rodent, the venom does the exact same thing.

Many colubrids have venom on par with some elapids - the difference lies mainly in the effectiveness of the delivery system.

Many vipers have relatively weak venom, as do some elapids - again, a relatively weak venom in copious amounts injected into prey will produce more significant effects than the same venom will in smaller amounts chewed into a wound.

Tiff, I strongly suggest you check out Bryan Fry's Venomdoc forum and do a search on "colubrids" on there. Not only is it an informative site, but he breaks it all down in detail that only a guy who has actually intimately researched the subject can.