The good 'ol blue eyed lucy complex

Thanks, so what makes a mystic potion?

Do all the BEL complex snakes have clear bellies?

Right on with most everything, just a few comments:

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Originally Posted by Skyespirit86

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the Blue-Eyed Leucistic complex is the group of mutations which all react with each other, producing a homozygous form when crossed, kinda like motley and stripe in corn snakes. They're allelic?
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I've been looking for a name for the combinations of different mutant alleles for a while and haven't found one yet. I would not call them "homozygous" as technically they are a heterozygous because the two copies of the gene don't match (the definition of heterozygous). It's just that most of what we call "hets" are one mutant with one normal and in this case it's one mutant with a different mutant of the same gene and no room for a normal copy.

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Originally Posted by Skyespirit86

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Mystic x any of the regulars ie lesser, mojave, het russo, mocha, buter will make a BEL. But its probably the same thing as a phantom. Phantoms when crossed with any in the list above will make BELS too, but not with each other (super phantom), they make a darker snake with pattern. Because its probably the same as mystic, then you can guess that a supermystic will look the same, or very similar.
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So far I think the only mystic crosses with other members of this complex are mystic\\mojave = mystic potion and mystic\\mystic = super mystic. Both of those are dark snakes. If mystic = phantom which so far seems very likely then mystic\\lesser would be expected to be a BEL (karma) like phantom\\lesser. I've not heard of phantom\\mojave yet but that would be a good test of the mystic = phantom expectation.

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Originally Posted by Skyespirit86

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I'm still not up to date on the specials though. Apparently they make a 'crystal' which i gather is not a BEL when bred with mojaves since it has colour/pattern. So since they react with mojave that makes them part of the BEL complex....but are arent thought to produce Blue eyed lucys when crossed with anything, given how they have so far reacted with a mojave?
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I believe BHB or someone made what they thought was a lesser\\special and it was similar but some different than the mojave\\special = crystal. Don't know if there was any link to be sure it was the same special gene. The inheritance of crystal X normal (50/50 split of special and mojave and no crystals or normals) is another evidence that special is in the complex. The homozygous special has also been made and is a whitish snake that has a lot of yellow as I remember.

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Originally Posted by Skyespirit86

Thanks, so what makes a mystic potion?

Do all the BEL complex snakes have clear bellies?

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Mystic potion is the combination of one copy mystic and from the other parent one copy mojave.

I'd love to know if RDR's hiddens have clear belies. I think all the others are reported to. If not, then the hiddens may well be completely invisible. And even if they do some normals have pretty clear belies.

I've got a clear belly captive hatched girl I'm hoping is something like the mystic that I'm trying to breed to my mojave this year. A breeder near me proved one a few years back to produce BEL with lesser and hopefully will get some mojave cross with that this year to see if his ch girl is phantom/mystic.

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Originally Posted by dr del

Now if I only knew if that made him a 50% possible het for hidden or (if it is an allele ) definately not carrying the hidden gene purely because he is a lesser. :(

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If he's a Lesser, and not a Platinum, he doesn't carry "Daddy/Hidden/Mystery Dilute/Special".

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I did ask if I could buy one of the normal looking offspring from the platymamma but was told Noah doesn't bother to keep these seperate and just sells them as normals. :taz:

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I wonder if you contacted Noah or your supplier well before the next breeding season and specified that you wanted a normal specifically from that female and that you were willing to pay more than "just plain normal" prices for it, if you'd have any luck...

I love this thread!! It makes me smile... I would like to see the lesser special and what ever else special crosses thier are...I've seen the thread with the super special,I've also seen the cinny special,titainum,epic crystal all I can say is OMG!!

taitanium
http://www.ball-pythons.net/forums/s....php?p=1180395
crystal
http://www.ball-pythons.net/forums/s...8&postcount=30
super special
http://ball-pythons.net/forums/showthread.php?t=115537

wow, wow, wow im totally confused again.

i know that a normal baby from a platty daddy breeding, carry the hidden gene. when breed to a lesser ull get platty daddys.

and now- what are specials- what makes them?

i know that they- when bread to a mojo, they make crystals- but what makes a special?



please only answer if ur 100% sure. im from germany and everyone posted a different theroie- im totally confused...

a special is a special, and its quite possibly the worst name for a morph lol

ah ok- yeah i agree with the name- its f***** confusing to me.


so the special is a special- just like the pinstripe is a pinstripe- now i get it

i always thoght it would be a product like the hidden gene from a platty breeding...


are the specials for sale for us normal people, or are they so expensive and exclusiv that only breeders like brain from bhb and co. can buy them?

i would like to see the gene working on the mystic potion or the red spectrum. the titanium is so awesome that the special mystic potion should be killer!!!


are there plans to breed the crystal into pattern morphs? like a crystalbee or crystal spinner or so- that would be so cool!!!