Who owns guns and you carry?

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Originally Posted by 3skulls

Now my Brother in Law who is an officer told me that a Glock is not the safest gun to carry because there is no safety.

His issued gun is a Glock and was just saying that he has seen this as a safety issue.

Thought on that?

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I hated my Glock 22 at first. But after a few thousand rounds trough it I have come to love it. It never jams, functions flawlessly every time. I do clean it after every session but like everyone has said, it's a super easy breakdown. My conceal holster I use off duty is an inside the waist holster. I've practiced drawing so many time that my trigger finger is alway in primary safety position, never around the trigger.
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And this is what I mean by primary safety: my trigger finger is on the rail of the gun. This is how it comes out of every holster, every time.
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Originally Posted by pigfat

I hated my Glock 22 at first. But after a few thousand rounds trough it I have come to love it. It never jams, functions flawlessly every time. I do clean it after every session but like everyone has said, it's a super easy breakdown. My conceal holster I use off duty is an inside the waist holster. I've practiced drawing so many time that my trigger finger is alway in primary safety position, never around the trigger.
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And this is what I mean by primary safety: my trigger finger is on the rail of the gun. This is how it comes out of every holster, every time.
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Is your holster Kydex or leather? Reason I'm asking is we had a briefing sent out the other day regarding a Glock being carried in a leather holster. Apparently the leather had softened enough that when the officer (off-duty carry) sat in his vehicle it somehow actuated the trigger, discharging a round into the floor of his vehicle. No one was hurt but food for thought if you elect to carry in a leather holster, especially if it's really well worn or broken in. Stay safe!

I've heard a similar story before but the holster had to be worn way past the point of service. I have some leather holsters, some are several years old and are still just as rigid as the day I got them.
I would bet that the owner oiled the holster which makes it nice and soft, not what you want in a holster.
That said I do prefer the kydex now days. More because it is thinner and lighter.

To pre-empt your aggression about me posting again, there seems to be some more reasonable discussion going on at this point and you chose to answer my questions to the best of your ability. I will choose to answer yours to the best of mine. It would be hypocritical of me to come here and ask questions to people of a different viewpoint for the sake of learning and then not provide answers myself.

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Originally Posted by KMG

Have you ever shot a gun? Any reason other than self defense.
Did this experience sway your opinion on guns? Good or bad
What was it that gave you your opinion?

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1. I have shot a number of guns a number of times. My father's father runs a gun / hunting shop out of his house. We hunted a bit when I was younger and it was great fun marching around in the woods and hiding out and stalking animals. I felt kind of bad for the animals and not very accomplished when we actually killed something, though. I got more out of the hiking and stalking element. We usually hunted with bows but we did hunt birds a few times using shotguns. I also used handguns on targets at the house.

2. The experience didn't change my opinion on guns much. I did and still do have a fairly neutral sentiment toward them. I guess before I shot them they were a little scarier/more dangerous in my head. They're pretty fun to shoot, but awfully loud and the fun of target practice kind of burned out pretty quick for me.

3. After shooting guns I learned that they can be used safely if you're responsible about it. This was due to learning the various safety measures involved in keeping and using a gun for sport.

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Originally Posted by barbie.dragon

I definitely agree. Hell I've had drunk friends accidentally going into the wrong house in themiddle of the night. (I have no idea how he got in to the housel I would be horrifie
ed if someone thought "oh my neighbor is being robbed. Let's shoot them"

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Originally Posted by barbie.dragon

I disagree shooting him would be justified unless he was a threat to your life. He has no idea how he got in the house. I'm thinking the homeowner didnt lock the door? He just fell asleep on the couch and the home owner didnt notice until they woke up. You seem like a logical person so you would asses the situation correct? We have to remember some if not alot of people aren't like that. All because you get frightened it doesnt mean you should shoot them. Maybe your perspective will change if a situation like this happens or almost happens to someone you know? I hope it doesn't though that would be awful.

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I keep my doors and windows locked, and after my year-long experience living next door to drug dealing felons, I am on high alert. I have always been a light sleeper, now I am even more so. Having said that, if someone tries getting into my house at night (whether through mistaken identity or with malicious intent), I am probably going to wake up. And if I wake up to someone breaking into my house at night, you betcha I'm going to be pulling out my gun. I'll be standing at the end of my hallway, and give them ONE chance to answer the questions correctly, BEFORE they enter the hallway. "STATE YOUR BUSINESS." ONE chance. If they can't answer that question correctly (either with the "abort word" or give acceptable identification as law enforcement or emergency personnel), they are going to be shot. I will NOT take chances now, after having meth addicts trespass on my property at 2AM. After seeing how those people act and think, after seeing the police arrest them multiple times, and seeing them released the next day because the jails and prisons are too over crowded to hold them, I will NOT take chances with my or my family's safety. If I give more than ONE chance to answer the question correctly, it is going to be too late for me. If they enter my hallway without identifying themselves, it is too late for them. In order to get to my hallway, they are going to have to be well in my house already, and would have had to have made it through a locked door or window AND dog. Plus I have a security system on my home, so they'll have had to ignore that going off to get to my hallway too! After what I went through with my previous neighbors, I am NOT willing to take a chance. Giving a second chance to someone I don't know who has NO business in my home means I am taking a reasonable risk that myself or my baby are going to be assaulted, raped, and/or murdered.

Finding someone sleeping on my couch is going to be a different situation, but like I said, I am a light sleeper and the chances of them getting that far as slim to none. If that happens, I'll be calling the police, and holding my shotgun on them until the police get there. I CANNOT take those chances. Period. That might be scary to some, but I lived through hell with those neighbors for a year, and the police had their hands tied as far as what they could do about it. When you have a police officer in your house watching the security video of a meth user on your property at 2AM, and you see the look in the officer's face as they look at you and your 8 month old baby and say "I am glad he didn't come through your front door", any innocence and naivety you ever had about life in general will vanish.

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Originally Posted by KMG

To the people willing to answer.

Have you ever shot a gun? Any reason other than self defense.
Did this experience sway your opinion on guns? Good or bad
What was it that gave you your opinion?

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I've fired shotguns for target practice only. Haven't had to use one for self defense, haven't been out hunting. I would like more practice and be able to go hunting some day though.
My experience with guns has been largely neutral, until the past year that I've had to deal with drug dealing, meth addicted, felon neighbors who had no respect for any person, no respect for another's property, no respect for property lines, did anything and everything they felt necessary to get and deal their drugs, and threatened other neighbors with guns. Probably the kind of people you deal with on a regular basis, as an officer. At that point my opinion about guns changed: Guns are a useful tool, and in the RIGHT hands, that have been properly trained to use it, are no more dangerous than any other tool. In the WRONG hands, guns are very dangerous weapons. I prefer to have a gun in my house for home defense, in the uncommon event someone tries to break into my home while I am present. I bought my shotgun the day one of those drug-dealing, meth addicted felon neighbors decided to trespass on my property at 2AM. I can still see the look in the officer's face, and feel the pit in my stomach, as he watched the security video and told me he's glad that individual did not come through my front door, but instead chose to harass my horses.

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Originally Posted by CatandDiallo

Yes, I have. A shotgun, though. At a shooting range.

I was younger, it didn't sway my opinion any way because I see nothing wrong with having guns for hunting.

Most people here have grown up without guns, that's just the way it is. I live in the Toronto area, and the crime rates are extremely low for the size of the city. It's just not dangerous here.

Most of the gun violence that occurs here is by gangs, aiming at other gangs. It is EXTREMELY rare here for non-gang members to get caught up within it, but it has happened. However, as I've said, those are rare anomalies.

I just don't like guns, period. I see no need for hand guns to be in the hands of civilians. That's just it.

Praying or saying the pledge weren't designed to kill someone. Saying the pledge or praying can't kill someone. Guns were and do.

We just don't have the problems with gun violence like you guys do (neither does Ireland, Scotland, England, etc), and I think having extremely tight restrictions on guns is the main reason why.
There's a common denominator here: the less accessible guns are for the average Joe, the less gun violence there is. Period.

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Around here, gangs don't use guns on other gangs, they use them on any one and everyone that gets in their way. And not just guns, but knives too. With hundreds, even thousands, of inmates being released from prisons and jails throughout this state, due to over crowded conditions, crimes are increasing. Some areas are seeing a bigger increase than others, for a variety of reasons. The area I live in is seeing a higher increase than many other areas because A) Our police, despite being under-staffed and over-worked, have a very high arrest rate therefore more inmates are released here because they are released where they were arrested, and B) we have lower cost of living than many other parts of the state, and therefore the released inmates who have no jobs or funds can afford to live here. There are other reasons too (large senior community is seen as an easier target by these released inmates, etc), but those are two big reasons. Over the past year, since these inmates started being released, there has been more and more crime, and big surprise, a lot of those crimes are being committed by these released inmates. Most of these crimes are indeed property crimes: theft of all forms. Some of these crimes are more violent in nature: daytime muggings, home invasion robbery, even murder. These criminals are NOT bored teenagers. They are seasoned, dangerous criminals who carry guns and knives and are NOT afraid to use them. The drug dealing felon neighbors I lived next to had guns and knives in their possession. Last July a woman was mugged in broad daylight, the criminal used a weapon against her to achieve compliance (I forget now if it was a gun or a knife though). Last August and September a string of robberies resulted in several convenience store clerks being shot or stabbed. A couple months ago a 16 year old boy was murdered, stabbed by 2 other teens and a 20 year old. Authorities say the stabbing was over a cell phone, but local rumor (and pictures on the Facebook pages of the suspects only supports this) says it was a gang initiation. Not all of these crimes are committed using guns, but some of them are. The interesting thing about all of this... this state has some of the toughest gun control laws in this country. Open carry is illegal. Concealed carry is only legal with a permit that is very hard to get. Guns must be registered, and a background check is required before you may purchase a gun. You also need to have your fingerprints on file. Handguns require you take a test about proper gun safety and handling. If you have ANY criminal history, it is illegal for you to be in possession of a gun. They practically ask you for your first born and left arm. And if you pass all of those hoops and hurdles, you still have to wait 10 days before you can even pick up your gun. Despite all of that, the criminals STILL have guns, and the criminals STILL use those guns against law-abiding citizens, typically those who are unarmed.

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Originally Posted by 3skulls

A break in during the night has more of a chance to end in violence. The criminal knows there is a chance the person is home. Could be more of a spur of the moment decision, money for drugs, rape etc.

A day time break in is going to be more of a professional criminal. Cases the house, knows your routine, waits for you to leave an he is in and out. Not looking for a fight.

Just throwing that out there.

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That's how my home was broken into. I was on vacation, had a neighbor stopping in twice a day to check on the animals. That neighbor stopped in the same time every day. Whoever broke into my house had been watching, knew I wasn't home, and learned the routine my neighbor followed. Broke in between "shifts".

My holster is leather. Like KMG said, that holster had to be on it's last thread for it to allow the gun to fire. There's no way mine will fire. But I'll keep an eye on that for sure now. If I'm wearing a jacket I use a Blackhawk Serpa paddle holster. I use the Blackhawk level 2 on duty and love it.

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Originally Posted by sho220

Springfield's XD-m's are also very easy to break down and clean. I hate cleaning my Walther...the take down lever is a pita...:rage:

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I take it you have an older Walther, then? Field strip/takedown on my P99c identical to a Glock, apart from hitting a decocker button instead of pulling the trigger.

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Originally Posted by pigfat

My holster is leather. Like KMG said, that holster had to be on it's last thread for it to allow the gun to fire. There's no way mine will fire. But I'll keep an eye on that for sure now. If I'm wearing a jacket I use a Blackhawk Serpa paddle holster. I use the Blackhawk level 2 on duty and love it.

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I don't recall all the details on the briefing, as I don't carry/use leather except on my duty holster, which is the high-gloss cheapo-looking plastic crap that's pretty but about as functional as teats on a boar hog. Anyway...hahahaha! Sorry, got off on a tangent there. I like the Blackhawk Serpa holsters as well, along with Blade Tech and a few I've started making myself. Found this looking for the end of the Internet one day and it took off from there:

http://www.m4carbine.net/showthread.php?t=64714

http://www.tacticalintelligence.net/...ex-holster.htm

One thing I read and would add to that if you elect to try the above is to NOT use your actual weapon, as the heat transfer into the grip/frame can damage it. I bought red guns for the model Glocks I have and they work just fine. Some inch and a quarter PVC pipe cut in half and secured over the end of the rail makes the void for a tac light if you have on the gun. Fun stuff if you like to tinker and don't have a wife or otherwise wait until she's gone for the day to use the oven, lmao! :rofl:

I have a Glock 19 9mm that has been through hell and back. Dropped in mud, sand, lakes, left outside in the rain, anything you can imagine and it still works like a champ.

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Originally Posted by Trackstrong83

I have a Glock 19 9mm that has been through hell and back. Dropped in mud, sand, lakes, left outside in the rain, anything you can imagine and it still works like a champ.

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One of the armorer re-certs I went to the instructor had a Glock from NOPD that had been in an armory when the storm surge hit. I forget how long he said it had been immersed in saltwater but other than being a little dirty it looked brand new. Not a speck of rust or anything else on it and he said it they'd put a 1,000 rounds or so through it after they recovered it without a misfire or failure to feed/eject, nothing. They're phenomenal guns, far as I'm concerned.