Half ball python Half blood python

Stop comparing dogs to this its annoying. THere is only one species of dog and that is canis lupus familiaris breeds are selectivly bred animals from ONE species to produce different traits for use in hunting, herding, protection, etc. Please stop comparing apples to oranges.

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Originally Posted by blackcrystal22

I don't see where it's ok ever. It only seems that your seeing it as ok from what you think other people think. I don't think any of it's ok in the least.

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Just saying I have went out for burgers with breeders that hate hybrids. I also know at least two hybrid haters that have ferrets. I also know more than a couple that have community fish tanks with platies.

That being said, if you notice, I also said I would not own a hybrid ball/burm/carpet, yet I have no problem eating a hybrid. I have no problem owning ferrets. It SHOULD be black and white, while even in my mind it is not. I have no reason as to why this is. I am just stating stating my observations in the matter.

just give thanks to wut we kan make .... n i like my pitbull she is a great hybrid period

It looks like you're using a different definition of the term 'Hybrid'. The offspring from a blood python and a ball python is a hybrid between different species. Domesticated cattle may be from different breeds or bloodlines, but they're all the same species. They're all descended from the Auroch which was an ancient breed of wild cattle that became extinct in the 1600's

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Originally Posted by stormwulf133

I wouldn't recommend picking up a hamburger either. As follows the list of hybrid cattle you may be eating....

* Amerifax: Taurine hybrid (Dairy/beef)
* Estonian Red cattle (Dairy/beef)
* Groningen: Taurine hybrid (Dairy/beef)
* Hays Converter: Taurine hybrid (Dairy/beef)
* Hybridmaster: Taurine/Zebu hybrid (Dairy/beef)
* Illawara: Taurine hybrid (Dairy/beef)
* Israeli Red: Taurine/Zebu hybrid (Dairy/beef)
* Jamaica Black: Taurine/Zebu hybrid (Dairy/beef)
* Karan Swiss: Taurine/Zebu hybrid (Dairy/beef)
* Limpurger: Taurine hybrid (Dairy/beef)
* Madura cattle: Banteng/Zebu hybrid (Dairy/beef/draught/racing)
* Nguni: Taurine/Zebu hybrid (Dairy/beef)
* Sanhe: Taurine hybrid (Dairy/beef/draught)
* Selembu: cattle/gayal hybrid (Dairy/beef)
* Siboney: Taurine/Zebu hybrid (Beef/draught)
* Xingjiang Brown: Taurine hybrid (Dairy/beef/draught)

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it looks like you're using a different definition of the term 'hybrid'. The offspring from a blood python and a ball python is a hybrid between different species. Domesticated cattle may be from different breeds or bloodlines, but they're all the same species. They're all descended from the auroch which was an ancient breed of wild cattle that became extinct in the 1600's

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someone is very good at history

I've read most of the replies here and i have a question.. What about naturally occurring hybrids? (because natural hybrids DO exist). I've seen a lot of them in birds, specifically water fowl, but there are other hybrid species too.

what about those?

If it happens in "nature" is it okay? should we hate it? should we like it?

Personally, i like hybrids. I like wolf mixes, coyote mixes, hybrid cats, hybrid birds, hybrid reptiles, and more. I think they are absolutely fascinating.

wow alot of bickering here. Instead of argueing so much just accept there are two sides to this. I doubt it but Has there been hybrids from 3 different species as in a superball crossed with a woma or carpet? Good luck with the arguements though.

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I've read most of the replies here and i have a question.. What about naturally occurring hybrids? (because natural hybrids DO exist). I've seen a lot of them in birds, specifically water fowl, but there are other hybrid species too.

what about those?

If it happens in "nature" is it okay? should we hate it? should we like it?

Personally, i like hybrids. I like wolf mixes, coyote mixes, hybrid cats, hybrid birds, hybrid reptiles, and more. I think they are absolutely fascinating.

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Congolese Spotted Lion: ONLY OF ITS KIND THAT GOES BACK BACK AND WAS LIKE THAT GREAT LOOKING CAT I MUST SAY ... THEY KANT EVEN MAKE THOSE

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Originally Posted by harm286

congolese spotted lion: Only of its kind that goes back back and was like that great looking cat i must say ... They kant even make those

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oops it kan be made but no one wants to

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I've read most of the replies here and i have a question.. What about naturally occurring hybrids? (because natural hybrids DO exist). I've seen a lot of them in birds, specifically water fowl, but there are other hybrid species too.

what about those?

If it happens in "nature" is it okay? should we hate it? should we like it?

Personally, i like hybrids. I like wolf mixes, coyote mixes, hybrid cats, hybrid birds, hybrid reptiles, and more. I think they are absolutely fascinating.

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Many interspecies hybrids in nature turn out to be infertile so they are a dead end. The only problem that I have with snake hybrids is that most of them are fertile and capable of producing more hybrids and that's where the problem lies.

I've seen a number of times where breeding two sibling hybrids together you produce an extreme wide variety of looks, from animals that look exactly like either one of the original pure species to a complete mix. There is no way to predict what will happen, and my concern is that one of the animals that looks like a pure bred (which no matter what they look like is still a hybrid because they still contain many thousands of genes from another species) will be sold as a pure animal and end up in someones collection mucking up their breeding projects.

This has actually happened to me where I got a pair of interesting looking pine snakes. When I got offspring from them it was apparent that they were actually hybrids and they pretty much ruined my pine snake project.

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Originally Posted by stormwulf133

There are several scientists that dispute this.

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As there should/will be.

There are several scientists that dispute a lot of things. The grand majority however, feel otherwise.

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I've read most of the replies here and i have a question.. What about naturally occurring hybrids? (because natural hybrids DO exist). I've seen a lot of them in birds, specifically water fowl, but there are other hybrid species too.

what about those?

If it happens in "nature" is it okay? should we hate it? should we like it?

Personally, i like hybrids. I like wolf mixes, coyote mixes, hybrid cats, hybrid birds, hybrid reptiles, and more. I think they are absolutely fascinating.

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Naturally occuring hybrids is due to several things. Not only proximity, but population, geography and compatibility of genes.

For example, many contest that kings and milks interbreed all the time. They can be found in the wild, but more often than not, species breed with the same species unless there is no suitable mate in the same proximity.

And like Mark said, most hybrids are sterile or infertile. With alien gene's being often bred out again naturally. Some gene's are integrated into natural populations, as is seen in waterfowl in Europe from the invasive Ducks brought over seas.


There are very few examples of naturally occurring hybrids in the whole of things. Many hybrids get out competed by their parents, and often genetic mutations, or lack of certain gene's makes the animals unable to compete and survive.

Speciation is a very long process, and while hybrids will happen, there is a lot that these animals have to face before nature takes the course to creating a viable hybrid animal.

We need to look at the term Hybrid.
Certain pet bird species are hybrids, the labradoodle is coined as an F1 or F2, similarly to the superball and its offspring.
Savannah cats being crossed with normal house cats are coined as hybrids but are not sterile.
A mule is sterile, ligers and some other crossings such as that are not.
The congolese spotted lion may be extinct. BUT it does not mean it is not being looked into to being recreated.
They are recreating the quagga, a zebra with a white rump and dark coat with zebra stripes. they are breeding for that look, whether they will succeed, or not is to be detirmened.
we as individuals can like or dislike people crossing species together to create a species that is new or different.
It will not go away, it is in fact in some cases saving some animals. As perhaps in their un-hybridized state they would not be able to exist in the area they are in.
Horses used to die all the time in africa, they now have to have so many shots to innoculate them its almost ridiculous.
They introduced hybrids, and used them for the antibodies so now a lot of other species can exist.
Our world is changing, whether we want it to or not, some species dont' exist in the wild any more OR are so rare have not been seen in the wild in years.
If a hybrid of that species can exist, then it will.
If people buy the hybrids and breed them, it will happen.
You as an individual can decide what you will buy, breed, eat or not.
Even our bread, coffee, and other basics come from early hybridization.
just thoughts.
Carol

:OI'm pretty neutral on the hybrid/anti-hybrid debate, but I must admit... those are some sweet snakes! Although I'm trying not to imagine what a pricetag on one of those beauties would be... :O

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:OI'm pretty neutral on the hybrid/anti-hybrid debate, but I must admit... those are some sweet snakes! Although I'm trying not to imagine what a pricetag on one of those beauties would be... :O

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I think they were around 3K or so.