Sweet hybrid hook up

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Originally Posted by Lance Portal Reptile

how im i a moron??? because im doing something i like.... everyone that has reptiles has them because of their love for that type of reptile, know matter what it is... even if thats a hybrid or a normal ball.

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azpythons was calling himself a moron... he was beating other people to it. :)

Bruce

Hi,

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Originally Posted by Lance Portal Reptile

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Originally Posted by azpythons

and i would breed them because...i like them....


wow...simply wow ;) this guys a moron

(there beat you to it!!)

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how im i a moron??? because im doing something i like.... everyone that has reptiles has them because of their love for that type of reptile, know matter what it is... even if thats a hybrid or a normal ball.

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I think you are misunderstanding slightly.:)

If you read the post he quotes (his own previous post ) he is pre-emptively calling himself a moron for liking hybrids to save those on the other side of the argument the trouble. :D

We do not like name calling on the boards so if he had been calling you a name we would have taken action - unlike grandpa I wear my underpants outside my trousers for a reason. :P

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However it appears my super powers do not include the ability to type with any speed. :oops:

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dr del

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Originally Posted by AaronP

Actually I have 1 more thing to add.

Want to talk about irresponsible? How about people who sell Poss. Hets without labelling them as such? It's a nice suprise to some, but others with serious projects in mind? That's a wrench in the gears to them.

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At least its the same species, id be far more disappointed to learn my PURE F1 caulker cay female, is actually a Hog/Caulker cross.

Pureblood animals are IMPORTANT to sustain bloodlines, and the species as a whole. Someday, a long time from now.... ball pythons might become near extinct. The Zoos of the world are going to be thankful for the breeders that put time and effort into maintaining pure lines. Caulker cays are even "said" to be extinct on the island they come from, or there are very very few left wild. Do you think i want to see people breeding them with hog island boas!? ( oh wait, someone did! and that really got me angry) No. I want a species that developed on an island, and got all sorts of neat traits and characteristics, to remain that way.

Ball Pythons and Carpets are common sure, but each has its own interesting traits that comes with the species. Something that evolved that way for a reason.

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Originally Posted by mooingtricycle

At least its the same species, id be far more disappointed to learn my PURE F1 caulker cay female, is actually a Hog/Caulker cross.

Pureblood animals are IMPORTANT to sustain bloodlines, and the species as a whole. Someday, a long time from now.... ball pythons might become near extinct. The Zoos of the world are going to be thankful for the breeders that put time and effort into maintaining pure lines. Caulker cays are even "said" to be extinct on the island they come from, or there are very very few left wild. Do you think i want to see people breeding them with hog island boas!? ( oh wait, someone did! and that really got me angry) No. I want a species that developed on an island, and got all sorts of neat traits and characteristics, to remain that way.

Ball Pythons and Carpets are common sure, but each has its own interesting traits that comes with the species. Something that evolved that way for a reason.

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Originally Posted by DavidG

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Productive! :gj:

I dont see what is wrong with his answer to Pattycakes question. Just because he is doing something that you dont approve of does not mean he is wrong and you are automatically right. I see his answer as being perfectly fine. If anyone were to ask me why I am into snake I would reply because I like them. Which is the truth. I do. And they give me much enjoyment. There isn't always some great reason for doing something so back off the poor guy. If you dont like hybrids then dont look at the thread. You don't have o some on and make the guy feel bad for sharing something that obviously others are interested in. Now thats that and im done. Can't wait to see the BS I take for this post.

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Originally Posted by Bruce Whitehead

azpythons was calling himself a moron... he was beating other people to it. :)

Bruce

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Oh....my bad, your right

for those of you hating on him... think about dogs.. or a mule... most dogs you keep as pets are crosses between other types of dogs... a mule.. a cross between a horse and a donkey... why do it?? because somebody like them... why did you buy your first snake? because you thought it was cool and you liked it... why do you make a new morph? because you think its cool...

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Originally Posted by Patrick Long

I would love....LOVE to see one person who bought a Poss Het as a normal that was mad about it......

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How would you like to find out that your 3-4 season project that had absolutely nothing to do with albino suddenly popped out albinos? You'd see that as a good thing? As much as I love albinos, that could ruin a project, especially if you had a specific goal in mind.

If you don't agree with the practice don't support it by not investing your time or money into it, but don't give people crap for doing something that isn't wrong. Why do people make Spider Morphs or Caramel Albinos? Because they like them and because they can, thse are 2 ball python morphs that have KNOWN issues. But what do people do? The ones that don't agree simply don't invest their time or money into it, the ones who do support it do and have, this is no different. If you're worried about purity of the blood then stick to breeders/vendors that you know and trust. That goes for ANYTHING not just snakes.

Would like to thank everyone for their like or dislike of them, but i did know that i would get crap for this by people that dont like hybrids. I have been dealing with this for years with my hybrid gecko projects, and everytime its like a war between the purest (not trying to stereotype) vs. people that are ok with it. I do feel that it is a VERY touchy subject and with dishonest breeders, they can and might be trying this and not being truthful about what the reptile. Its sad because it gives people like me and business that breed them a bad name. People that know me see why am into them, its not for money or greed or to "mudd up the bloodlines", it because these hybrids have some of the greatest colors, patterns and overall from what i have seen, take the best from both sides and creates something better...Like my crested X chahoua hybrid, better temperment than a chahoua and way more colorful then any crested. lp

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Originally Posted by DavidG

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thats an edit from office space right.... "have you seen my stapler"..lol, luv that movie, but not the killing of the horse....:tears:

Im all for Hybrids. Its something new and different you would never find in the wild. If you are able to produce hatchlings let me know. I want some.

From my understanding:

hybrid = two species/subspecies that do not naturally overlap in the wild. so if you crossed a california kingsnake w/ a black king, that would be a hybrid.

intergrade = two species/subspecies that overlap naturally in the wild.
some of the carpet pythons, here in ky, red milk x eastern milk

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Originally Posted by Lance Portal Reptile

Would like to thank everyone for their like or dislike of them, but i did know that i would get crap for this by people that dont like hybrids. I have been dealing with this for years with my hybrid gecko projects, and everytime its like a war between the purest (not trying to stereotype) vs. people that are ok with it. I do feel that it is a VERY touchy subject and with dishonest breeders, they can and might be trying this and not being truthful about what the reptile. Its sad because it gives people like me and business that breed them a bad name. People that know me see why am into them, its not for money or greed or to "mudd up the bloodlines", it because these hybrids have some of the greatest colors, patterns and overall from what i have seen, take the best from both sides and creates something better...Like my crested X chahoua hybrid, better temperment than a chahoua and way more colorful then any crested. lp

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Hi Lance, I am not against hybrids; although, I would never breed or keep them myself. The main question is what are you going to do with the offspring? Are you going to keep them all? If so, then more power to you. If you are planning on selling them, then I agree with all of the others who disagree with you. You are muddying the bloodlines, which could affect other breeders unbeknownst to them.

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Originally Posted by Wh00h0069

Hi Lance, I am not against hybrids; although, I would never breed or keep them myself. The main question is what are you going to do with the offspring? Are you going to keep them all? If so, then more power to you. If you are planning on selling them, then I agree with all of the others who disagree with you. You are muddying the bloodlines, which could affect other breeders unbeknownst to them.

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well if all goes well i might be able to pick one up off of him.

you guys also need to keep in mind that the chances of these guys actually hatching is also rare. the guy who made the first carpballs had 20 eggs and only 7 hatched. its not like lance is going to have 30 hybrids runnin around.

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Originally Posted by Lucas339

its not like lance is going to have 30 hybrids runnin around.

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Lets hope not.

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Originally Posted by Lucas339

well if all goes well i might be able to pick one up off of him.

you guys also need to keep in mind that the chances of these guys actually hatching is also rare. the guy who made the first carpballs had 20 eggs and only 7 hatched. its not like lance is going to have 30 hybrids runnin around.

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....7 is too many hybrids for me.

Going back thru this thread and looking at your website Lance, the big issue here really is about record keeping, and being accurate, consistant, and up to date with your records.

For instance….on your website you are advertising this, “Ball Python X Carpet Python Project (Carballs)”
http://lancehybrids.webs.com/snakes.htm

…now from my understanding, this cross will result is ‘Carpalls,’ not ‘Carballs.’ ;) This may not be an issue to you, but I see this causing some confusion down the road to those who are not familiar with this cross. I could easily see your animals being sold by another individual down the road as ‘Car Balls.’ And the name thing is possible…for example ‘Piebald’ and ‘Pied Ball’.

Just an example of how crosses can mud-up the gene pool.

Just do us a favor and be sure your records on these animals are accurate.

Good Luck.

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Originally Posted by Wh00h0069

Lets hope not.

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if it was 30 of those sweet as pie burm balls, i wouldnt have a prob bob

never seen a carball....i mean carpall tunnell ball

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Originally Posted by Jerhart

Going back thru this thread and looking at your website Lance, the big issue here really is about record keeping, and being accurate, consistant, and up to date with your records.

For instance….on your website you are advertising this, “Ball Python X Carpet Python Project (Carballs)”
http://lancehybrids.webs.com/snakes.htm

…now from my understanding, this cross will result is ‘Carpalls,’ not ‘Carballs.’ ;) This may not be an issue to you, but I see this causing some confusion down the road to those who are not familiar with this cross. I could easily see your animals being sold by another individual down the road as ‘Car Balls.’ And the name thing is possible…for example ‘Piebald’ and ‘Pied Ball’.

Just an example of how crosses can mud-up the gene pool.

Just do us a favor and be sure your records on these animals are accurate.

Good Luck.

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because this cross has not been done with a jungle, i didnt want people to think it was a IJ X ball cross, which is a carpall, thats way i put alil bit different name...its still in the works on what the name of them will be

It is from Office Space. Great movie! I hate how the horse was viciously beat down, kinda like this thread was. I'll remain on my fence about hybrids for now.

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Originally Posted by Jerhart

Going back thru this thread and looking at your website Lance, the big issue here really is about record keeping, and being accurate, consistant, and up to date with your records.

For instance….on your website you are advertising this, “Ball Python X Carpet Python Project (Carballs)”
http://lancehybrids.webs.com/snakes.htm

…now from my understanding, this cross will result is ‘Carpalls,’ not ‘Carballs.’ ;) This may not be an issue to you, but I see this causing some confusion down the road to those who are not familiar with this cross. I could easily see your animals being sold by another individual down the road as ‘Car Balls.’ And the name thing is possible…for example ‘Piebald’ and ‘Pied Ball’.

Just an example of how crosses can mud-up the gene pool.

Just do us a favor and be sure your records on these animals are accurate.

Good Luck.

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I agree with this. Have you talked with Todd to see how he felt about your choice of name for your hybrid? Not only is it too close to the name Todd chose for his IJ x ball cross, it could get misconstrued just as Jerhart mentioned.
I actually think it is better to hold off on a name until you actually have living offspring.
You might actually think of contacting Argo about his car-bombs. They are a coastal x ball cross.

I've seen carpalls sell for $3,000. Seriously. THREE GRAND FOR A MUTT!

And thread starter, don't pride yourself on being the first. Hope you did some research to see if you have a market for these snakes before breeding them.

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Originally Posted by Whiffa

I've seen carpalls sell for $3,000. Seriously. THREE GRAND FOR A MUTT!

And thread starter, don't pride yourself on being the first. Hope you did some research to see if you have a market for these snakes before breeding them.

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He isnn't the first to do a carpet cross but potentially the first for doing JCPs x Ball

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Originally Posted by AaronP

He isnn't the first to do a carpet cross but potentially the first for doing JCPs x Ball

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I'm relatively sure I've seen someone selling them on kingsnake.com about 6 months ago. :) there was a diamond cross and jungle cross.

yeah i dont know what a good name would be, and i know that carpall and car bomb are used......like i said the name is still up in the air if these are going to be the 1st. jcp X ball. if its that big of a deal i will just leave it
"JCP X ball hybrid".....

if they are the 1st should the name of them be up to me???....but yeah i see how they are alil to close

That's awesome.

a carpet python ball python cross is known as a carpall. Just call them carpalls and people will clearly get the hint it's a cross.

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Originally Posted by Whiffa

I'm relatively sure I've seen someone selling them on kingsnake.com about 6 months ago. :) there was a diamond cross and jungle cross.

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Originally Posted by Whiffa

a carpet python ball python cross is known as a carpall. Just call them carpalls and people will clearly get the hint it's a cross.

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Your two statements here clearly show your ignorance. While I am not a proponent of the hybrids or crosses, I do feel that a correct name be given and a full truthfullness of what is involved be given.
The carpall is an IJ x ball. The car-bomb is a coastal carpet x ball. A JCP x ball has not been done yet.

If you do not know enough about the subject at hand or that there are different species of carpets, please close your mouth and open your ears, you might learn something.

does anyone have pictures of these hybrids i couldnt find any.. carps X balls

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Originally Posted by keepzrollin

does anyone have pictures of these hybrids i couldnt find any.. carps X balls

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Sometimes you can find a pic of the carpall in a kingsnake add.

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Originally Posted by temec

for those of you hating on him... think about dogs.. or a mule... most dogs you keep as pets are crosses between other types of dogs... a mule.. a cross between a horse and a donkey... why do it?? because somebody like them... why did you buy your first snake? because you thought it was cool and you liked it... why do you make a new morph? because you think its cool...

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Dogs are of the same species. Their long domestication from the wolf is a part in their incredibly different phenotypes.
Mules are sterile and are completely domestic.

Humans did it to create an animal we could work with to benefit both us and them. Wolves, get food with us. Mules (or other pack animals), are taken care of in exchange as meat, milk, fire fuel (their poop) and a pack animal. It was done so that we could physiologically survive easier, giving us more time to develop socially, emotionally, and ultimately reach self-actualization. It's the first steps up Maslow's pyramid.


Morphs are phenotypes, paint jobs within the same species from genes already available from wild caught animals.

We keep snakes and reptiles out of pleasure because we have reached the top of the pyramid, not for survival. Snakes don't work with us for food or shelter, or for us as a means to lighten our daily work load.

Some may use it as income, but if you didn't have your simple needs taken care of, you would have no reason to keep and breed snakes. Don't try to compare hybridizing to the domestication of species. ;)

pics: http://www.hybridhaven.net/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=224

its all good guys chill noone should have a prob with hybrids, and noone say anything when the labs to get to work on the manrilla (man x gorilla) strong as hell and works for bananas

I want to be a manrilla.

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Originally Posted by MPenn

Your two statements here clearly show your ignorance. While I am not a proponent of the hybrids or crosses, I do feel that a correct name be given and a full truthfullness of what is involved be given.
The carpall is an IJ x ball. The car-bomb is a coastal carpet x ball. A JCP x ball has not been done yet.

If you do not know enough about the subject at hand or that there are different species of carpets, please close your mouth and open your ears, you might learn something.

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I'm going to say this nice and slow so you can register it in your head, okay?

I HAVE SEEN AN AD FOR JCP X BALL ON KINGSNAKE. SOMEONE LABELED IT AS A CARPALL. okay? Do I make myself clear, or should I make the same post AGAIN?

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Originally Posted by Whiffa

I'm going to say this nice and slow so you can register it in your head, okay?

I HAVE SEEN AN AD FOR JCP X BALL ON KINGSNAKE. SOMEONE LABELED IT AS A CARPALL. okay? Do I make myself clear, or should I make the same post AGAIN?

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Alright then Mr. Smarty Pants, post the link.

i heard tom cruise is a alien/human hybrid??

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Originally Posted by Whiffa

I'm going to say this nice and slow so you can register it in your head, okay?

I HAVE SEEN AN AD FOR JCP X BALL ON KINGSNAKE. SOMEONE LABELED IT AS A CARPALL. okay? Do I make myself clear, or should I make the same post AGAIN?

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the only one selling a carpall is todd shaffer and its not a JCP.

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Originally Posted by MPenn

Alright then Mr. Smarty Pants, post the link.

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If I could post a kingsnake link from months ago, I already would have. It was summer when I saw it.

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Originally Posted by Whiffa

If I could post a kingsnake link from months ago, I already would have. It was summer when I saw it.

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Originally Posted by Lucas339

the only one selling a carpall is todd shaffer and its not a JCP.

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Hence, exactly as Lucas339 has said. The only carpall being sold is from Todd Shaffer.

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Originally Posted by 771subliminal

its all good guys chill noone should have a prob with hybrids, and noone say anything when the labs to get to work on the manrilla (man x gorilla) strong as hell and works for bananas

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wait a second...i work for bananas...am i????

no way....

I just wanted to add this, just because someone said it was infertile does not mean it is. While it may be more difficult to concive does not make it impossible. Early humans were found to have still bred with apes, so we are all mutts.





Several female mules have produced offspring when mated with a purebred horse or donkey.[7] Since 1527 there have been more than 60 documented cases of foals born to female mules around the world.[7] There are no recorded cases of fertile mule stallions.[citation needed] Mules and Hinnies have 63 chromosomes that are a mixture of one from each parent. The different structure and number usually prevents the chromosomes from pairing up properly and creating successful embryos.

There are reports that a mule in China produced a foal in 1984.[8][9]

In Morocco, in early 2002, a mare mule produced a rare foal.[7]

In 2007 a mule named Kate gave birth to a mule son in Colorado.[10][11] Blood and hair samples were tested verifying that the mother was a mule and the colt was indeed her offspring

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Originally Posted by Colin Vestrand

i heard tom cruise is a alien/human hybrid??

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Holy you know what, we should totally breed tom cruise to a carpet and then we would have a Hybrid finally worth some money but only because Tom is rich.