aLI HAS A MAJOR RI! PLEASE HELP Hurry hurry hurry!

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Originally Posted by twh

great job young lady,you have got some great advice here.

i just wanted to relate my experience with carefresh,whenever my snakes got it wet it created mold quickly and seeing your misting it i would try another substrate.keep up the good work !

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:O:O:OARE YOU CALLING ME A LADY!!!???:O:O:O :mad::mad::mad:I AM NOT A LADY!:mad::mad::mad: Or are you calling SatanicIntention a lady.

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Originally Posted by SatanicIntention

Hun, if you don't get the infection fully cleared up, it can come back even stronger and more resistant to antibiotics the second time. Get it gone the first time around, and you won't be fighting an uphill battle later.

Ask the vet to do a culture and put her on another course.

Also, I wanted to let you know about your injection-giving.. When you insert the needle into the muscle, you need to go slow and not just JAB-INJECT. If you put Fortaz into the vein, you could hurt your snake.

You just need to hold the part of the snake that is getting the injection, with one hand wrapped entirely around that part of the body. Restraining her head will just make her even more nervous. With your hand wrapped around the snake's first 1/3, pull the skin tight and insert the needle in between the scales, about 1/4-1/2" away from the spine. When you insert the needle, make sure the bevel is up(the spoon part of the needle. It inserts quicker and less painfully this way. When you have inserted the needle, pull back on the plunger to ensure you have not hit a vein. Then slowly inject the medication.

After you have injected the medication, put your finger over the injected area and hold it there so the medication doesn't ooze out. You lose a good portion of the antibiotic when you don't put your finger over the injection site. Press down and rub that area so the meds are distributed into the muscle and are less apt to ooze out of the injection site.

Always pull back on the plunger before giving an injection. Giving medications into a vein when they aren't meant to go IV, can cause alot of damage, and even death.

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Yeah, Thank you for that advice! It actually is really helpful.

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Originally Posted by pythontricker

:O:O:OARE YOU CALLING ME A LADY!!!???:O:O:O :mad::mad::mad:I AM NOT A LADY!:mad::mad::mad: Or are you calling SatanicIntention a lady.

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Well, your username is quite ambiguous. No one is really ever sure about anyone unless there is some formal name or gender displayed. ;)

Even then, this is the internet. Anonymity rules.

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Originally Posted by pythontricker

:O:O:OARE YOU CALLING ME A LADY!!!???:O:O:O :mad::mad::mad:I AM NOT A LADY!:mad::mad::mad: Or are you calling SatanicIntention a lady.

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oops my bad,i'm sorry.well anyways please take my compliement in the spirit it was given:)

LOL I no hard feelings. There was no way to tell! lol! Just not a lady. lol

****Update****
Hey guys,
I know I haven't been on bp.net for a while, but I have been so busy. Ok, I took Ali back to the vet for a culture and some more antibiotics yesterday, They did the culture, and I will get the results in two days, My total vet bill was $200!:O:O:O So I get home to get Ali started on her first shot of antibiotics, and sadly, there was no medicine in it. So I have to go back to the vet again today which is another 45 minutes away from my house. RRRRRRRGH! So yeah, thats my life. I will keep in touch and let you know th results of the culture. Thanks.

Anyone stoked she will be ok?

Natch!

Glad to hear your going to get the meds even if it does cost you a double drive. :gj:

How would the vet react if the culture came back resistant to the anti-biotics he gave you? I always assumed they didn't give anything till they got the results back. :confused:

Then again you know the story of me and umption. :oops:


dr del

Yeah I don't know, these are the antibiotics that I had for Bali and they worked great. So maybe I will get the same results, hopefully. I always think positive and things usually work out. I know they will. She will get healthy soon. :P

well others have said it but ill say it again, for a 14 year old you seem pretty darn responsible! most teenagers i knew (or even me when i was that age) wouldnt have even known anything was wrong until the snake would have died from it. awesome that you actually know how to care for your snakes and uphold the extreme responsibility. you get a high five. hope she gets even better!!!:gj:

Thanks! It really wasn't all that hard to notice. I am sure anyone would have done the same as me, even teenagers.

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Originally Posted by m0esgirl

well others have said it but ill say it again, for a 14 year old you seem pretty darn responsible! most teenagers i knew (or even me when i was that age) wouldnt have even known anything was wrong until the snake would have died from it. awesome that you actually know how to care for your snakes and uphold the extreme responsibility. you get a high five. hope she gets even better!!!:gj:

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Snap!

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Originally Posted by m0esgirl

well others have said it but ill say it again, for a 14 year old you seem pretty darn responsible! most teenagers i knew (or even me when i was that age) wouldnt have even known anything was wrong until the snake would have died from it. awesome that you actually know how to care for your snakes and uphold the extreme responsibility. you get a high five. hope she gets even better!!!:gj:

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Unfortunately, I have to disagree with this. Pythontricker was told by at least a few people that it did not sound like the RI had totally cleared up and he needed to get the snake back to the vet right away. That was approximately 2 weeks before the snake went back to the vet.

Now, that may still be better than the average 14 year old. Certainly it is better than some teenagers who have posted things vaguely along the lines of "but I can't take my snake to the vet cuz then I won't be able to buy my favorite singer's new album when it comes out next week". But I don't think it qualifies as upholding extreme responsibility.

I am glad to hear that the snake did get back to the vet eventually and that it should be getting better.

Dr. Del - I believe it is a common practice to give an animal (or person for that matter) a "best guess" antibiotic while waiting for the culture to come back. I know at least this isn't the first time I've heard of it being done.

hey easy on the age stuff bro i always get crap because im a teenager when im more responsible than most of the adult i know. My snakes ALWAYS come first because if they get sick or hurt its more likely than not its MY fault not theirs and all i have is a part time job. All im saying is it depends on the person not the age there are alot of adults much worse than me.

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Unfortunately, I have to disagree with this. Pythontricker was told by at least a few people that it did not sound like the RI had totally cleared up and he needed to get the snake back to the vet right away. That was approximately 2 weeks before the snake went back to the vet.

Now, that may still be better than the average 14 year old. Certainly it is better than some teenagers who have posted things vaguely along the lines of "but I can't take my snake to the vet cuz then I won't be able to buy my favorite singer's new album when it comes out next week". But I don't think it qualifies as upholding extreme responsibility.

I am glad to hear that the snake did get back to the vet eventually and that it should be getting better.

Dr. Del - I believe it is a common practice to give an animal (or person for that matter) a "best guess" antibiotic while waiting for the culture to come back. I know at least this isn't the first time I've heard of it being done.

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Look bud, I did wait a couple of weeks, you know why, because, one, I had to raise the $200 for the vet bill, I had finals that were over 150 questions long and 35% of my grade that I had to study for. Family and school, comes before anything. My snake was sick, I did my best, but I did get to the vet on time, my veterinarian said that I couldn't have come at a better time. You want to know why? Ok, She had only gotten a little bit more sick in the time frame that she was off antibiotics, thus forth her producing enough flem and mucous, for the vet to successfully gain from the culture. If it where any earlier, It would not be enough of a sample for him to test. She is a small snake so me and my father anticipated it would be best if we waited a little bit longer than conventional. My dad has two degrees in medicine. He is an optometrist and deals with all kinds of medicine. INCLUDING antibiotics. And yes, she is on antibiotics right now and I am still waiting on the culture results. :colbert:

Ageism works in both directions and I really don't even think it is a worthwhile discussion unless one is arguing against such biases.
Pythontricker: You're doing a great job juggling everything and still taking the correct actions at the right time :gj: I keep my fingers and toes crossed for your snake and can't wait until you tell us all that she is finally well :)

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Originally Posted by starmom

Ageism works in both directions and I really don't even think it is a worthwhile discussion unless one is arguing against such biases.
Pythontricker: You're doing a great job juggling everything and still taking the correct actions at the right time :gj: I keep my fingers and toes crossed for your snake and can't wait until you tell us all that she is finally well :)

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thanks!

Update
Ali isnt any better. even after alll of the prescribed antibiotics. what do I do?

Oh ya and my spider male has it because my dumb ass friend was watching the snakes while I was on vacation, and he held the albino, then the spider w/o washing his hands. I am livid! My life is getting ridiculous. I have the spider on Antibiotics along w/ the albino. Its baytrill. Help me!:mad:

Hi,

A bit late now I suppose but there was an oportunity to get a clear sample for culture from the spider before you began giving it anti-biotics I think - I could be way off base but I seem to recall someone saying thats the best time to take one.

Did you get the culture results back yet that you mentioned waiting for on the 12th?

Has your vet suggested trying different anti-biotics as the baytrill seems to be having trouble wiping it out or does he still feel it will work?


dr del

Culture, culture culture!! DO IT! Baytril may work with the spider if he's not had it very long and it's not progressed to anything more than sticky mucous in the mouth. If he's open-mouth breathing and bubbling, then it likely won't work as well.

Your Albino should have been on a month-long treatment of every 48-72 hour injections. 2 weeks of shots is nothing to slow-healing reptiles. When my het Pied Jungle male was shipped, he came down with a stress RI, and I put him on Baytril every 48-hours for a good month. He's recovered just fine(that was last year) and never had a relapse.

When they have relapses, that's when the bacteria gets even more resistant to the antibiotics you're using. Which means they won't work as well, if at all.

You need to get a culture done on the Albino, get a stronger antibiotic and KEEP HER ON IT for a solid month or longer. Fortaz is a good one, but it's expensive and has to be kept in the freezer. It's given every 72 hours.

What are her temperatures? If they are below 95 on the hot side, bump them up to 96/86, with a high relative humidity(65-75%). Soaking her every other day or so will hydrate her and help keep her kidneys flushed out(so they don't fail).

If you can get a nebulizer(I can post pictures of what I use and the container it is attached to that the animal goes in) from a pharmacy, you can rent one, and the vet can make up a concoction of antibiotics and some bronchodilators(even just plain saline works wonders). If not, then steaming her in a bathroom with a hot shower going is the next best thing.

Also, are you cleaning out her mouth and her nostril area(under her upper jaw)? This is important to get all of the thickened mucous that is clogging her nostrils. Small q-tips work well and a needle cap works well to hold their mouth open.

It is VERY important that a culture is done, and a better round of antibiotics is administered.. If not, well, you know what happens if not. :(

Oh, and what dose of Baytril is she getting? And what's the concentration of it? Is it 22.7mg/ml or 100mg/ml? They can have up to 10mg/kg for resistant bacteria, so if she's on a lower dose, then you can increase it. How much does she weigh?

yes we will all pray to the bp gods that they both get better! good luck!!!!:snake:

satanic, how about I give you a call. That's a lot of info and I feel it would be better to talk in Pearson. I will PM you my number and vice verse. Thanks.

No problem. I can always email/call my vet and see what her opinion would be. It's always good to get a second opinion.

Here's the short version of my blather, heh:

1. High temps/humidity(96/86 constantly, and 65-75% humidity)

2. Get another culture done, and while that is being done, put her on a higher dose of Baytril(you can go as high as 10mg/kg) every 24 hours.

3. Antibiotics need to be carried out for more than 2 weeks. At least a month to fully get rid of any nasties and prevent reinfection. If not, the bacteria will just get stronger, and the snake will succumb to the disease(aka drown).

4. Clean out her mouth and nares(nostrils on the underside of her top jaw) with q-tips. Saline in a 3-6cc syringe, with a 23-25gauge needle on it can be used as a high pressure wash to get the crud out. It really makes them feel better.

But anywho. Please get a vet appointment as soon as possible, she can't afford to get any worse. There's only so much I can do since she's not in my or my vet's care.

Becky, can I find baytril at a vet supplies store, or do I have to go through a vet to get it? It wouldnt hurt to have some in the house for back up.

Good luck with your snakes. I hope they get better!

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Originally Posted by stangs13

Becky, can I find baytril at a vet supplies store, or do I have to go through a vet to get it? It wouldnt hurt to have some in the house for back up.

Good luck with your snakes. I hope they get better!

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I can probably tell you the answer to that.
You most likely will have to get it through your vet. They do NOT sell it anywhere you can get. ;]

Justin, it can only be obtained through a vet with a prescription. It's best to do a culture before starting an antibiotic regimen, because if the bacteria is resistant to the Baytril, then the animal will just get sicker, and the bacteria even more resistant.

It is a good antibiotic to have around though, in emergencies. I use it on my rats(usually newbies if they have stressed and are getting a myco flare up-rare here, but still). I'm using it right now in a 3.5 year old male rat who has some dental problems with a bottom incisor. Also has an abscess in his groin, most likely one of the glands down there abscessed. It's hell gettin' old :)

****Update**** I got a new doctor from the same vet office. The Avian And Exotic Animal Hospital. Dr. Jeffrey R. Jenkins, B.S, D.V.M.
http://drexotic.com/bio_jenkins.htm
He is a really nice guy and know so much more than the other stupid guy. He opened up both of the snakes mouthes with a popsicle stick and got a little "toothpick" looking thing, that had a flat and not sharp edge, and got inside the nasal cavity and pulled out a major chunk of snot. He gave me a months supply of Fortaz for both snakes (Ali, Sniper). He was really smart and seemed to know what he was talking about. I really think he did the trick, oh well we will see in a month. Thanks guys.

YEA!!! I am SO VERY HAPPY for you and for your snakes!!! :banana:

Thanks!

Glad to hear that they are doing better!

Any idea why 3 of your snakes have gotten RIs? I think you said that one got it while you were on vacation...but what about the other two? I'm not beating you up about it...just curious.

Ya no, not a problem. My first snake Bali (Normal Bp) got an RI about a year or two ago, from what I thought was temperature and humidity issues, but now that I look back, the temps were fine. It turns out that it was that stupid Care-fresh bedding. I didn't think much of it, and at the time I never thought that was the problem because my vet said that was not the issue. BUT, it wasn't that bad of an RI. It was really subtle and it was completely healed within 2 or 3 weeks with some antibiotics. So the same issue occurred a year after Bali's RI about a year or two later (these past couple of months). Once again my vet said temperature and humidity was an issue. But then I thought WTF? Everything is fine, now that I look back, There was one day that it got really hot and dry, like 110 degrees and 15-20% humidity. BUT, I misted the cage down and got the humidity back to normal within an hour. Turns out I misted it down too much and the Care-Fresh got moldy. I couldn't see the mold due to the color of the bedding. Ali's cage was the one that got moldy, none of the others for some reason.
Ali pooped and I decided to clean the cage, I was to lazy to take the cage outside and dump it out into the trash like usual. Then I noticed all of the mold and dust when I was scooping it out. And I said oh shoot, this is what gave both of the snakes RI's. Oh man! So that sucked. But so I switched ALL of the snakes into Sterillite tubs w/ paper towels.
Then I had to go on vacation and my friend was taking care of the snakes. I told him to wash his hands with soap and water and Purell in-between handling each snake, he, nor my dad or sister listened to this and held them together, Ali/Sniper. So thats my story and I am sticking to it. WOO. It is really pissy that this is happening and none of them listend, or admit that they did it.
I know that they did it because I said, "hey isn't it fun to hold all the snakes at once, I always do it" and they replied "Oh yeah that was great Yeah I did." then I said damn it and that was it. lol

YAYA!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RZAEaPJVqbs
There are two more viles of Fortaz left!

I took Ali and Sniper to the vet, they will be staying for two weeks. I am going to hawaii and they need a place to be so they are there getting their shots and all that good stuff. I am really relieved that they will be ok, and that I don't have to deal with it for a good two weeks! The normal, pastel, and sorong gtp are at my friends house happy and healthy and should be fine there. Ahhh, its good to not have a care in the world for a little while. I have been so stressed out, I needed a break. Good news is Ali ate for the first time in a month or so and is looking great after she shed. Sniper, is just being pissy, though he did shed, he didn't want to eat.
Tanks guys!

Ps. Both sheds were one piece and the mucous is going away noticeably. That Fortaz is good stuff!