Rats - Colors and Coat Markings

Siamese are my favorite and yours are beautiful. One of my first (Ariel) was a siamese and I got her from a pet store. She gave me plenty of babies but I never got one with the markings or maybe I just didn't let one grow big enough before I feed them off.

The rats that began this thread have probably already died of old age!:P They surely are not breeding anymore, I wonder what they did with them later on?

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Originally Posted by anendeloflorien

MMMM no it's not just the nose it spreads from her face and all the way back to about the middle of her body. It's a really cool looking color on her too :D
edit: Lol I just realized I ressurected a post that was over a year old sorry I have a habit of doing that stuff :D

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I'm stumped. Is it just her nose or her whole head back to her back? :confused:

I guess we'll just see when you post some pics. :P

In the meantime, you can see markings and color on the AFRMA website

the pic of the siamese is great :gj:

Hooded hairless ********** Bareback- Thanks LittleIG

http://i219.photobucket.com/albums/c...s/IMGP8021.jpg


Albino Dumbo himalayan Rex!

http://i219.photobucket.com/albums/c...s/IMGP7999.jpg

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Originally Posted by Beardedragon

The rats that began this thread have probably already died of old age!:P They surely are not breeding anymore, I wonder what they did with them later on?

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I think resurrecting this post is okay - it's stickied for a reason, so we can discuss rat colors, etc. =)

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Originally Posted by Beardedragon

Hooded hairless

http://i219.photobucket.com/albums/c...s/IMGP8021.jpg

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It's a bareback just so you know ;) Hoodeds have the long thin stripe down the back.

And Himalayans are considered just himalayan. Albinos are different, but on the same locus.

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Originally Posted by cassandra

I think resurrecting this post is okay - it's stickied for a reason, so we can discuss rat colors, etc. =)

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Oh, I didnt have a problem with it its just the thought poped up into my head about the rats at the beginning;)

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Originally Posted by littleindiangirl

I'm stumped. Is it just her nose or her whole head back to her back? :confused:

I guess we'll just see when you post some pics. :P

In the meantime, you can see markings and color on the AFRMA website

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Lol now that I don't know for sure, its definately not just her nose though. I'm at work so I obviously don't have her right here with me. The boss killed that idea fast :please: lol j/k but yeah as soon as I get home I'll steal my girls digital and take some pics

OK so i figure since I ressurected this age old post I should at least post a pic of my new rats here. You can check my gallery or here
for the pics of the rest of my new guys
this is the blue/white girl that I had a question about

http://www.ball-pythons.net/gallery/...ed_blue_02.jpg

later!

I love this thread! It's so neat to go through and see all the different rats! That one with two colors! :O I would pay a pretty penny for her!

I don't think I saw an Agouti Hooded so here's my contribution (sorry if I missed one!)

http://i157.photobucket.com/albums/t...s/7bf66582.jpg

I was running through my photobucket and found some of my old pics.

Very young Seal Point Siamese babies
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v3...mese-12-25.jpg

Three dumbo velveteens (all are black selfs) They just arrived when I got this shot, hence why they're "hiding"
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v3...elfFTrio01.jpg

"True hairless" hooded
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v3...riana12-25.jpg

Black self baby (notice the black toes as well)
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v3...Male112-28.jpg

Mismarked blaze, irish belly markings
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v3...Blaze12-28.jpg

Dumbo rex albino
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v3...rg/Blysse4.jpg

Dude ur rats are all like identical to mine

omg I have to post pics of mine now lol...my hairless dumbo female just had 11 babies, I have a dark hairless female going to have a litter soon and I have 14 blue babies varying between hooded and darks and lights lol wow yeah I need to take pics now

I am unsure if anyone has posted this yet so here is my female essex...Some say this gene is not dominant however her offspring have shown otherwise.
After crossing her back with her son (essex marked) the litters were absorbed.

http://img826.imageshack.us/img826/3020/img2425.jpg

Does anyone know if a tri colored rat is possible, I mean they're pretty close to mice so maybe then can get the markings?

http://www6.pic-upload.de/thumb/31.1...msaxsigcv1.jpg

u can say this is a tricolor rat =)

I know I don't have anything like the colors you guys have, but here's what I've got:

A black one (female, not sure of exact name, but she's not a husky. Haven't checked her feet to see if they are all black, but I think her belly is white.)
Mostly beige hooded/seal point and black hooded

Sorry no pics. LOL

I did wonder about something though . . . I've held back some female beige hoodeds to adulthood to use as breeders in the past (that's what most of my adult female breeders are now). Anyway, they started out as beige hooded, but they faded as they aged to seal points (if I am remembering correctly--in any case, they have tannish spots at the base of the tail and the tip of the nose). I noticed you guys had discussed this with the siamese, but has anyone else noticed the beige hooded ones doing this, or do yours hold their color as adults?

Btw, I don't really name mine, because I am afraid I will get too attached and not be willing to feed them off. ;) Not as much of a problem with the breeders, since they don't get fed off, but still. LOL I did name the boys Head Chef 1, 2, 3 and the girls Sous Chef 1, 2, 3, etc. :D The young ones that I'm holding back are either Head- or Sous-Chefs-in-Training. haha

OK, I got some pics. ;)

I'm only guessing at most of the pattern names, so someone feel free to correct me if I'm wrong somewhere! :D

Black Hooded:
http://i175.photobucket.com/albums/w...lackHooded.jpg

Brown (Cinnamon?) Hooded:
http://i175.photobucket.com/albums/w...ownHooded1.jpg

http://i175.photobucket.com/albums/w...ownHooded3.jpg

http://i175.photobucket.com/albums/w...ownHooded2.jpg

Comparison, black and brown/cinnamon hoodeds:
http://i175.photobucket.com/albums/w...ownHooded2.jpg

http://i175.photobucket.com/albums/w...ownHooded1.jpg

I'm really not sure what to call this female, so if anyone can help identify what type she is, it would be greatly appreciated:
http://i175.photobucket.com/albums/w...ous/Black2.jpg

http://i175.photobucket.com/albums/w...ous/Black1.jpg

http://i175.photobucket.com/albums/w...ous/Black4.jpg

http://i175.photobucket.com/albums/w...ous/Black5.jpg

http://i175.photobucket.com/albums/w...ous/Black3.jpg
*Note: as best I can remember, she was produced by two black hooded rats.

And this is the beige hooded I was speaking of in my above post:
http://i175.photobucket.com/albums/w...eigeHooded.jpg

Seal Point?, what my "beige hooded" rats look like when they're adults:
http://i175.photobucket.com/albums/w...SealPoint1.jpg

A group: seal point, black, and black hooded:
http://i175.photobucket.com/albums/w...lackHooded.jpg

You're black one that you are question what she is... is a black varieberk or variegated berkshire.

This is my Black Varieberk, Salem, with my Sealpoint Siamese, Sy.
http://i1216.photobucket.com/albums/...s/100_1992.jpg

Hope I helped some :)

And the cinnamon/Brown looking one is an agouti :)

Red Eyed Champagne - Male

The one in the middle...
http://i1216.photobucket.com/albums/...s/100_2000.jpg

Here without the top on... again he's the one in the middle...
http://i1216.photobucket.com/albums/...s/100_2001.jpg

Pics don't show his color well, but in natural light he is kinda v e r y light greyish beige.

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Red Eyed Champagne - Male

The one in the middle...
http://i1216.photobucket.com/albums/...s/100_2000.jpg

Here without the top on... again he's the one in the middle...
http://i1216.photobucket.com/albums/...s/100_2001.jpg

Pics don't show his color well, but in natural light he is kinda v e r y light greyish beige.

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Cool looking Champagne.
Champagnes are caused by the Pink Eyed Dilution though. It's hard to see the eyes in the pic, but are they a lighter bright red (Pink Eyed) or darker red, almost maroon (Red Eyed)?

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Originally Posted by SnakeGirl3

OK, I got some pics. ;)
Brown (Cinnamon?) Hooded:
http://i175.photobucket.com/albums/w...ownHooded1.jpg

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As Jerry said Brown = Agouti, the original color of the Norway rat.

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Originally Posted by Adam Chandler

Cool looking Champagne.
Champagnes are caused by the Pink Eyed Dilution though. It's hard to see the eyes in the pic, but are they a lighter bright red (Pink Eyed) or darker red, almost maroon (Red Eyed)?

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When I was trying to find out what he was, I did a lot of research, cause everyone kept telling me he was an albino or PEW. But I could tell by his color that he wasn't and his eyes are NOT pink. They are kind of half way between pink and ruby... so red. That is one key factor. He is also best described as very light beige, so light that he almost looks white. But he actually has a couple of white markings on him as well. He has a spot between his eyes and a large mark down his back.

If the eyes are red then it's not a champagne because champagne is pink eyed.
Better pics of the coat showing it's true color and or eye pictures?

I'll try. I was trying to get it to show up better in the earlier pics, maybe it's my camera?! :confused: Will Have to do it in the morning though...

So I did get some pics... most are blurry. But hopefully they will help you help me determine once and for all if I have a Champagne or not.

This is by far the best one... you can definitely see his eyes here...
http://i1216.photobucket.com/albums/...s/100_2020.jpg

The rest of these will help you see the effect of natural light on his coat...
http://i1216.photobucket.com/albums/...s/100_2016.jpg

http://i1216.photobucket.com/albums/...s/100_2019.jpg

http://i1216.photobucket.com/albums/...s/100_2011.jpg

http://i1216.photobucket.com/albums/...s/100_2009.jpg

Just found this description of Champagne:

http://fancyrats.pbworks.com/w/page/8715181/Champagne

By AFRMA standards the eyes should be red. And the others all say pink... so which is it. That is probably the description I read and therefore think I have a champagne. Now I am just confused. :confused:

I have played with the Champagne gene and never gotten a rat with red eyes. They always were pink eyed. HOWEVER - there is such thing as a dark eyed champagne.

Dark-eyed Champagne aa B-C-D-G-mm P-rr

It may be that this rat is a very light beige or a poor eyed champagne. Rats can have many different shades of eyes. The only way to tell would be to take apart it's lineage.

Just as a reference this is a PEW Champagne:http://i116.photobucket.com/albums/o...4/DSC_0480.jpg
A "Pink" eyed white's eyes are not really a pink color, more bright red. A Red eyed rat has dark red eyes, kinda maroon.

Also the rat in the picture at http://fancyrats.pbworks.com/w/page/8715181/Champagne (correct me if I'm wrong) has pink eyes.
Hard to tell from your pics but your suspected Champ look like it has pink eyes to me.

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Originally Posted by bokuza

I have played with the Champagne gene and never gotten a rat with red eyes. They always were pink eyed. HOWEVER - there is such thing as a dark eyed champagne.

Dark-eyed Champagne aa B-C-D-G-mm P-rr

It may be that this rat is a very light beige or a poor eyed champagne. Rats can have many different shades of eyes. The only way to tell would be to take apart it's lineage.

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Wish I could take apart his lineage. I probably wouldn't be so confused right about now. Maybe it is just my interpretation of what is pink and what is red. :confused:

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Originally Posted by Adam Chandler

Just as a reference this is a PEW Champagne:http://i116.photobucket.com/albums/o...4/DSC_0480.jpg
A "Pink" eyed white's eyes are not really a pink color, more bright red. A Red eyed rat has dark red eyes, kinda maroon.

Also the rat in the picture at http://fancyrats.pbworks.com/w/page/8715181/Champagne (correct me if I'm wrong) has pink eyes.
Hard to tell from your pics but your suspected Champ look like it has pink eyes to me.

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Ok... from taking a closer look at the rat from the link and the pic you have here... mine has pink eyes. To me all 3 look red. So if that is pink, what does red or ruby look like? Because I think I have a ruby-eyed beige/blue(Russian Beige), but now I am not sure what she is... :rolleye2: oiy!

Both were from another breeder, who basically set up a grab-bag to choose from.

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Originally Posted by extremeballs

Ok... from taking a closer look at the rat from the link and the pic you have here... mine has pink eyes. To me all 3 look red. So if that is pink, what does red or ruby look like? Because I think I have a ruby-eyed beige/blue(Russian Beige), but now I am not sure what she is... :rolleye2: oiy!

Both were from another breeder, who basically set up a grab-bag to choose from.

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Don't feel bad, the pinks looking red threw me off at first too.

Here is an example of the RED gene:
http://i116.photobucket.com/albums/o...4/DSC_0517.jpg
This particular rat was a black hooded that was diluted to beige by the RED gene. You can't really tell in the pic but the eyes are a Ruby dark maroon, not black.
Not all RED's have eyes this dark maroon, but most have noticeably darker red eyes than PEW's.

:) At first it is difficult but after a little bit of research and hands on work breeding your colony it becomes second nature. It takes time~!

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Don't feel bad, the pinks looking red threw me off at first too.

Here is an example of the RED gene:
http://i116.photobucket.com/albums/o...4/DSC_0517.jpg
This particular rat was a black hooded that was diluted to beige by the RED gene. You can't really tell in the pic but the eyes are a Ruby dark maroon, not black.
Not all RED's have eyes this dark maroon, but most have noticeably darker red eyes than PEW's.

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That little one looks like one of my female breeders, eyes and all. She had a litter of 3 just a couple weeks ago... all the babies look like her but with different markings. OK, so are these RED's and PED's considered high white? I am having an issue figuring that gene out. Some things I get, but others are just confusing. Maybe I am just getting stuck on this because I think of an all white rat being associated with the pink eyes. Just my old brain not willing to absorb some things. LOL

Hi,

I am new to the forums and loving this thread. Has anyone had any long haired rats turn up in their litters?


We have merles, calico (tortishell), and are working on Black Eyed Whites right now. Here is a pic of a merle:

http://ball-pythons.net/gallery/file...girl_41412.jpg

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Originally Posted by Grenna

Hi,

I am new to the forums and loving this thread. Has anyone had any long haired rats turn up in their litters?


We have merles, calico (tortishell), and are working on Black Eyed Whites right now. Here is a pic of a merle:

http://ball-pythons.net/gallery/file...girl_41412.jpg

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Where did you get calico? Do you have pics? So far all calico appearing rats in the pet trade and scientific literature, have turned out to be chimeras. The closest thing, mottled, is very rare. I know of only 4 people who ever had it, and of them, only 1 still does AFAIK.

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Originally Posted by marmie

Siamese are my favorite and yours are beautiful. One of my first (Ariel) was a siamese and I got her from a pet store. She gave me plenty of babies but I never got one with the markings or maybe I just didn't let one grow big enough before I feed them off.

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Siamese are difficult to catch as babies because they do not look the same as adults. Their points develop with each molt.

Newborns (exact shade may vary) (image from Bing)
http://i665.photobucket.com/albums/v...sBabies152.jpg

Siamese is on the right (via: http://ball-pythons.net/forums/showt...imalayan/page2)
http://i915.photobucket.com/albums/a...e/PICT8488.jpg

The one on the bottom is marked "triamese" and is a badger/blazed Berkshire Siamese. Top is Siamese. (image from Bing)
http://i1019.photobucket.com/albums/...s/DSC_0157.jpg

This thread hasn't been posted on in a while, but figured I would contribute :)

https://ball-pythons.net/forums/cach...24_1006421.jpg
Blazed capped black dumbo

https://ball-pythons.net/forums/cach...124_100714.jpg
Black self

https://ball-pythons.net/forums/cach...124_101622.jpg
Agouti Havana Irish (Agouti + Mink+ Carrying RED)

I will post more later.

https://ball-pythons.net/forums/cach...124_103509.jpg
Hooded Fawn (Agouti + RED)

https://ball-pythons.net/forums/cach...124_103424.jpg
Russian Blue Hooded

https://ball-pythons.net/forums/cach...124_103440.jpg
Russian Blue Point Himalayan Dumbo

https://ball-pythons.net/forums/cach...864824757.jpeg
Russian Blue Blazed Capped Dumbo

https://ball-pythons.net/forums/cach...864959487.jpeg
Champagne Berkshire (Black + PED)

https://ball-pythons.net/forums/cach...864989427.jpeg
Cinnamon Irish (Agouti + Mink)