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Snakes secret oils naturally to help them shed. Soaking them before they start a shed process will remove the oils and make it harder to shed. Soaking should really be a last resort option. Also, haven't seen this mentioned but never try to pick the shed off. You can damage scales that way.

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I was told that yesterday when I first asked about the shedding. I'm so paranoid about hurting him right now that helping him shed by peeling his skin off is not going to happen. I also already told my kids to leave him alone. No one is to touch him for a few days. Thanks for the advise.


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I never had an issue with mold. Keep the moss damp, not Soaking wet. what substrate are you using? Most people change substrate once a month or even less.

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Aspen snake bedding is what we are using right now. Pet store recommended. I have an appointment set up for Monday with the vet. I'm hoping he has finished shedding by then. I want him checked out after this disaster just to make sure he is healthy going forward.


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I was told that yesterday when I first asked about the shedding. I'm so paranoid about hurting him right now that helping him shed by peeling his skin off is not going to happen. I also already told my kids to leave him alone. No one is to touch him for a few days. Thanks for the advise.


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No problem. It is stressful starting out especially when things seem to be going wrong but once you get it down everything will be like clockwork. Humidity and shed issue is why I switched out of tanks. Even though I started seeing perfect sheds, switching to a pvc enclosure is much lower maintenance.

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Aspen snake bedding is what we are using right now. Pet store recommended. I have an appointment set up for Monday with the vet. I'm hoping he has finished shedding by then. I want him checked out after this disaster just to make sure he is healthy going forward.


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Yeah aspen is alright but cypress helps with humidity. There are other substrates that hold humidity well but I've never used anything else so I can't really comment on those. A vet visit can be expensive and if a bad shed is all that is wrong, the snake is fine. Now, unless there were signs of health issues such as click or popping noise while breathing or mucous/bubbles coming out, or something else that seemed wrong, I would seriously suggest not taking him to the vet. Is there something else concerning you about his health?

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No problem. It is stressful starting out especially when things seem to be going wrong but once you get it down everything will be like clockwork. Humidity and shed issue is why I switched out of tanks. Even though I started seeing perfect sheds, switching to a pvc enclosure is much lower maintenance.

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I'm thinking of building one for him and then closing off part of it for now. One and done kind of thing. I spoiled my iguanas with home built lizard lounges and want to do the same for my Yoshi. Someone sent me a video for an enclosure he built and it looks pretty nice. Weekend project. Hoping to have it done by the time he finishes his shed so I can move him over.


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I'm thinking of building one for him and then closing off part of it for now. One and done kind of thing. I spoiled my iguanas with home built lizard lounges and want to do the same for my Yoshi. Someone sent me a video for an enclosure he built and it looks pretty nice. Weekend project. Hoping to have it done by the time he finishes his shed so I can move him over.


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Building one is cool. I saw someone mentioned some pvc cages for sale, I myself have two t8s from Animal Plastics and love them. If you want to build it yourself, do your homework and take advice from others that built their own. I would have liked to build one myself but I'm not that crafty of a dwarf

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Yeah aspen is alright but cypress helps with humidity. There are other substrates that hold humidity well but I've never used anything else so I can't really comment on those. A vet visit can be expensive and if a bad shed is all that is wrong, the snake is fine. Now, of there were signs of health issues such as click or popping noise while breathing or mucous/bubbles coming out, I would seriously suggest not taking him to the vet. Is there something else concerning you about his health?

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Overall he seems great. But I know next to nothing about them. He is going on three weeks without eating. I'm not sure if he is drinking or not. The water level on his dish is always lower by morning, but that doesn't mean much. We give him fresh water daily. He is active when out, but not in a defensive manner. He loves to wrap himself around my youngest daughters neck and hide under her hair while she does her homework after school. He even freaked her out the other day by going down her shirt. I just laughed. I wear hoodies a lot he loves to hangout in my pocket with me when I'm watching TV. It's kind of cute to me. I hope it's normal behavior.


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Building one is cool. I saw someone mentioned some pvc cages for sale, I myself have two t8s from Animal Plastics and love them. If you want to build it yourself, do your homework and take advice from others that built their own. I would have liked to build one myself but I'm not that crafty of a dwarf

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I can build it, it's keeping the kids from decorating it that will be the issue. The video saw was pretty straightforward. I'm pretty sure I have all the tools needed and if I don't, I'm sure my dad will loan me what I'm missing. Hell, he may use this as some father/daughter bonding time and come help me. Lol.


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Overall he seems great. But I know next to nothing about them. He is going on three weeks without eating. I'm not sure if he is drinking or not. The water level on his dish is always lower by morning, but that doesn't mean much. We give him fresh water daily. He is active when out, but not in a defensive manner. He loves to wrap himself around my youngest daughters neck and hide under her hair while she does her homework after school. He even freaked her out the other day by going down her shirt. I just laughed. I wear hoodies a lot he loves to hangout in my pocket with me when I'm watching TV. It's kind of cute to me. I hope it's normal behavior.


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Sounds normal to me. The not eating part can be for a few reasons, but let's focus on the shed coming off first. When I was a new owner, I was on this site everyday trying to learn everything I could. A lot of good info on here. Google searching how to care for ball pythons will either lead you here anyways, or to a site that has some wrong info.

Do you have a pic of your setup? I might be able to help you with your humidity problem easier. I had two tanks for almost a year before I switched so I might be able to give you some pointers

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As far as the feeding~~~ if your having a problem with him feeding it is stress related most likley. No Ball python wants to be held for 5 hours a day.. 3/4 times a week for 20 min is normal. Also dont forget when you have him out he has no heat.
Stress from coming home with you, handling for 5 hour a day, soaking him for a couple days ect.. This is all a recipe for him to get stressed & sick. A ball pythons immune system declines with stress. Give this lil guy a couple weeks to get strait. Several new owners want to hold and play with these cute snakes and I hear about and see hundreds die from stress all the time. Another big problem is Respiratory infections. Stress can be a major factor in that when there immune systems worn down.
Put this lil guy in his enclosure, cover the glass for security and let him get use to his new home.
Some of it might sound to strict, but every week new keepers post on here "my Balls a month old and I found him dead"..
These arent domestic animals, they Tolerate us but thats all and some tolerate better than others.. Just trying to help you so you and your family have him/her to enjoy and he deserves a good safe place too.

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As far as the feeding~~~ if your having a problem with him feeding it is stress related most likley. No Ball python wants to be held for 5 hours a day.. 3/4 times a week for 20 min is normal. Also dont forget when you have him out he has no heat.
Stress from coming home with you, handling for 5 hour a day, soaking him for a couple days ect.. This is all a recipe for him to get stressed & sick. A ball pythons immune system declines with stress. Give this lil guy a couple weeks to get strait. Several new owners want to hold and play with these cute snakes and I hear about and see hundreds die from stress all the time. Another big problem is Respiratory infections. Stress can be a major factor in that when there immune systems worn down.
Put this lil guy in his enclosure, cover the glass for security and let him get use to his new home.
Some of it might sound to strict, but every week new keepers post on here "my Balls a month old and I found him dead"..
These arent domestic animals, they Tolerate us but thats all and some tolerate better than others.. Just trying to help you so you and your family have him/her to enjoy and he deserves a good safe place too.

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Woah, lol I THOUGHT I read everything. 5 hours is a really long time to have the snake out

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Sounds normal to me. The not eating part can be for a few reasons, but let's focus on the shed coming off first. When I was a new owner, I was on this site everyday trying to learn everything I could. A lot of good info on here. Google searching how to care for ball pythons will either lead you here anyways, or to a site that has some wrong info.

Do you have a pic of your setup? I might be able to help you with your humidity problem easier. I had two tanks for almost a year before I switched so I might be able to give you some pointers

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This is about it for now. Have a massive shopping list started for this weekend. Hoping to have a much better setup soon. He has several silk plants at the back to hind under and I placed a dark cereal bowl in there also for now.



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As far as the feeding~~~ if your having a problem with him feeding it is stress related most likley. No Ball python wants to be held for 5 hours a day.. 3/4 times a week for 20 min is normal. Also dont forget when you have him out he has no heat.
Stress from coming home with you, handling for 5 hour a day, soaking him for a couple days ect.. This is all a recipe for him to get stressed & sick. A ball pythons immune system declines with stress. Give this lil guy a couple weeks to get strait. Several new owners want to hold and play with these cute snakes and I hear about and see hundreds die from stress all the time. Another big problem is Respiratory infections. Stress can be a major factor in that when there immune systems worn down.
Put this lil guy in his enclosure, cover the glass for security and let him get use to his new home.
Some of it might sound to strict, but every week new keepers post on here "my Balls a month old and I found him dead"..
These arent domestic animals, they Tolerate us but thats all and some tolerate better than others.. Just trying to help you so you and your family have him/her to enjoy and he deserves a good safe place too.

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Hey, I'm all for the advice. I'm very guilty of trying to treat him like my dogs or cat. I know he is neither, but he's just so darn cute. I also didn't think I would get this attached this quickly. I don't want to lose him/her at all so if leaving him alone for now is what's best then that's what we have to do. As he gets older/bigger, can we handle him more??


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This is about it for now. Have a massive shopping list started for this weekend. Hoping to have a much better setup soon. He has several silk plants at the back to hind under and I placed a dark cereal bowl in there also for now.



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Sorry if I'm repeating anything somekne has told you.
Alright so pretty similar to my first tank when I first got my snake. First thing that popped out it the open sides. Cover the left and right sides just like you did with the back. Adds more "security". The stick on thermometer is not really a good one. A digital one which reads both temp and humidity is more accurate. One with probes is more suitable, that way you can measure the temp directly over the hot spot. You would also want to place it basically as low to the substrate as you can. The halfogs are no good, a tight fitting hide with a small entrance is best, one for the hot side and one for the cool side.

I mentioned the mulch already, I used aspen too at first. By now you either have or are aware you need to have any heat source on a thermostat. There is a sticky thread on setting up tanks. The sphagnum moss, damp towel on the screen, and misting daily will help your humidity problems.

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Also, can't tell if you have them but as your sneky snek grows you will want to get some screen lid clips to lock that lid. They are pretty good at escaping.



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Also, can't tell if you have them but as your sneky snek grows you will want to get some screen lid clips to lock that lid. They are pretty good at escaping.



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I'm hoping to have a more solid enclosure built by the end of the weekend. Front side open with plexiglass. I'm looking at having the exterior hinges on the front panel for easy access. The rest of the enclosure will be solid. Light source will be fluorescent lights mounted to the inside of the top. I've been reading about ceramic heating tiles someone had mentioned and if I can find a way to make them work I would like to use those as well. Shoe boxes for hides for now. Cheaper to replace as he grows. I'm thinking of closing off a section of the enclosure for now also. Several others have said they feel safer in smaller tight areas. I only want to build one enclosure for him so I'm looking at building it for his max length.


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What material are you planning on using? Also, I would suggest staying away from the heat tile. A better choice would either be flexwatt heat tape or a UTH heating pad.

Also, it's great you want to make sure you have the best setup and want to get him in there quick, but once you have it built and setup, have it "running" for a few days or even a week before you introduce the snake to it. See if you can maintain proper husbandry without the snake in there. This way you can trouble shoot without having to worry about the snakes stress and health. You can also post progress pics on this site and get even more pointers. I know the feeling, and if you are this concerned about the snake I'm sure you will want to make sure everything is done right when you build the cage and have it up and running.

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What material are you planning on using? Also, I would suggest staying away from the heat tile. A better choice would either be flexwatt heat tape or a UTH heating pad.

Also, it's great you want to make sure you have the best setup and want to get him in there quick, but once you have it built and setup, have it "running" for a few days or even a week before you introduce the snake to it. See if you can maintain proper husbandry without the snake in there. This way you can trouble shoot without having to worry about the snakes stress and health. You can also post progress pics on this site and get even more pointers. I know the feeling, and if you are this concerned about the snake I'm sure you will want to make sure everything is done right when you build the cage and have it up and running.

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From what I've been reading, melamine or MDF appears to be the better quality material to build the base of the enclosure. I would use 1/2" to 3/4" at most. And then use plexiglass for the front. I do agree with making sure it's going to do its job before putting him in it.
I don't want to screw the poor guy up any more than I already have.


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Hey, I'm all for the advice. I'm very guilty of trying to treat him like my dogs or cat. I know he is neither, but he's just so darn cute. I also didn't think I would get this attached this quickly. I don't want to lose him/her at all so if leaving him alone for now is what's best then that's what we have to do. As he gets older/bigger, can we handle him more??


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Honestly Ball Pythons are not good display snakes nor do they want to be handles much. You hardly see them when they are happy. Happy = Hiding with balls. At night they come out of their hides and love to climb. Build them a 1/2" PVC pipe Jungle Gym in the enclosure. Just never use tape and always cap the ends of pipes.
My Burm is the people snake. A lot of people here have Smaller Retics for a snake that is more involved, also Blood Pythons... But Balls like to be left alone.. Just who they are.

First of all Kudos for listening and taking all the great advice.

It can be overwhelming at first but once you got everything ship shape it becomes so easy :)

Getting the setup right is the biggest hurdle and now is the time to put a lot of thought into which way to go.

I actually had a Melamine cage a LONG time ago and it was so heavy it killed me to move it. And it was harder to keep clean. You have to seal all the seams well, too. More difficult to heat.
Some of the ready to go enclosures don't seem much more then what the material is going to cost in building one, and they will be easier to maintain, so that is one thought.

In the beginning there is some trial and error, but keep asking questions and you will get there. The most important things you can change now, before you even get a new setup. Less handling, more hides, etc etc. Everyone already went over all that.

Your snake is beautiful, the shed issue will get resolved and the rest you will work on.

Upward and onward ;)

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Honestly Ball Pythons are not good display snakes nor do they want to be handles much. You hardly see them when they are happy. Happy = Hiding with balls. At night they come out of their hides and love to climb. Build them a 1/2" PVC pipe Jungle Gym in the enclosure. Just never use tape and always cap the ends of pipes.
My Burm is the people snake. A lot of people here have Smaller Retics for a snake that is more involved, also Blood Pythons... But Balls like to be left alone.. Just who they are.

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This is great. My first attempt at owning a snake and we get an antisocial one. Lol. All because I'm a wimp and have issues feeding live creatures to them. I would say live and learn but that may cost my little guy his health. I really wish the pet store would have been a little more forthcoming about him. They made it sound easy to care for him and never once gave the impression we couldn't take him out and about like we have been doing. The more I learn from all you guys/gals, the more I feel so bad for my baby. I'm beginning to think we aren't the best caregivers for him and I'm afraid we are going to unintentionally do him harm. This sucks. Thank for the advice. I have a lot to think about now as to what's going to best and safest for him.


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I honestly believe you are beating yourself up too much. Your snake is going to be perfectly fine if you listen to the advice people are giving you. Please remember, we were ALL new once!! I know it is frustrating right now and you feel in over your head, but I promise it gets easier if you're willing to put in the time and effort to learn and apply what you learn. Once you have your husbandry dialed in it becomes a LOT easier. BPs are NOT like little lap dogs and kittens. They are AMAZING animals and can be extremely rewarding pets. However, if you're looking for a pet you can hold and cuddle all day, it's probably not the animal for you. These are wild, primitive animals which we raise in our captivity for our enjoyment. It is our responsibility as keepers to provide them with the life they deserve, which means enclosure, husbandry, and everything else they can't seek out on their own because they are captive. Yes, they are very docile and TOLERATE handling by us humans, but they TOLERATE it and we should remember that when we handle them. They will become more comfortable with being handled as they develop trust, but they are not going to thrive being handled excessively. BPs by nature like to stay hidden where they are solitary and feel safe and secure. When being handled, they are out of their comfortable, safe environment. Chances are, depending on weather/climate where you live, they are also below their comfortable temperature gradient, which can cause serious health issues including, but not limited to, respiratory infection. Over handling can cause stress, which depletes the animals immune system as well. Not to mention, stressed animals will be less inclined to eat regularly. Don't worry, though, as your animal gets bigger, stronger and healthier he will be more comfortable being handled, as long as it is within reason. Please be patient, it will all work out if you ask questions, listen, learn and apply what you learn. You seem to have your heart set on creating a loving, healthy home for your snake. You're asking questions and seem to be applying a good portion of what you're learning. Don't give up, I truly believe that with due diligence you are going to provide a fantastic home for your snake (you'll probably want another soon, and another, and another, hahahahaha). Keep in mind, this amazing animal can be a part of your family for a very long time, so try to resist the temptation to over handle, there is PLENTY of time to enjoy your snake!

Good luck, keep asking questions and learning!! We are here for you and your snake.
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I honestly believe you are beating yourself up too much. Your snake is going to be perfectly fine if you listen to the advice people are giving you. Please remember, we were ALL new once!! I know it is frustrating right now and you feel in over your head, but I promise it gets easier if you're willing to put in the time and effort to learn and apply what you learn. Once you have your husbandry dialed in it becomes a LOT easier. BPs are NOT like little lap dogs and kittens. They are AMAZING animals and can be extremely rewarding pets. However, if you're looking for a pet you can hold and cuddle all day, it's probably not the animal for you. These are wild, primitive animals which we raise in our captivity for our enjoyment. It is our responsibility as keepers to provide them with the life they deserve, which means enclosure, husbandry, and everything else they can't seek out on their own because they are captive. Yes, they are very docile and TOLERATE handling by us humans, but they TOLERATE it and we should remember that when we handle them. They will become more comfortable with being handled as they develop trust, but they are not going to thrive being handled excessively. BPs by nature like to stay hidden where they are solitary and feel safe and secure. When being handled, they are out of their comfortable, safe environment. Chances are, depending on weather/climate where you live, they are also below their comfortable temperature gradient, which can cause serious health issues including, but not limited to, respiratory infection. Over handling can cause stress, which depletes the animals immune system as well. Not to mention, stressed animals will be less inclined to eat regularly. Don't worry, though, as your animal gets bigger, stronger and healthier he will be more comfortable being handled, as long as it is within reason. Please be patient, it will all work out if you ask questions, listen, learn and apply what you learn. You seem to have your heart set on creating a loving, healthy home for your snake. You're asking questions and seem to be applying a good portion of what you're learning. Don't give up, I truly believe that with due diligence you are going to provide a fantastic home for your snake (you'll probably want another soon, and another, and another, hahahahaha). Keep in mind, this amazing animal can be a part of your family for a very long time, so try to resist the temptation to over handle, there is PLENTY of time to enjoy your snake!

Good luck, keep asking questions and learning!! We are here for you and your snake.
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Thanks for the pep talk. I am set on doing what's right for him and I do understand long term care for pets. I have a cat that is almost 17 years old and I am the only owner of her. Picked her out of the litter before her eyes were even open. I'm a firm believer is when an animal comes into my home, they don't leave until it's time for them to meet their maker. Unless re-homing is what's best for them because I'm screwing up so badly. I have never up to this point had to re-home an animal. I do agree with you on wanting another sooner rather than later, but not until I can get things worked out with him. He is very addicting for me and I believe it's because I find no so darn cute. I know I sound crazy now. Lol. Thank you again for the words of advice and the pep talk. Is there a snake breed out there you can handle more often than the balls?? Something just as pretty to look at.


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Thanks for the pep talk. I am set on doing what's right for him and I do understand long term care for pets. I have a cat that is almost 17 years old and I am the only owner of her. Picked her out of the litter before her eyes were even open. I'm a firm believer is when an animal comes into my home, they don't leave until it's time for them to meet their maker. Unless re-homing is what's best for them because I'm screwing up so badly. I have never up to this point had to re-home an animal. I do agree with you on wanting another sooner rather than later, but not until I can get things worked out with him. He is very addicting for me and I believe it's because I find no so darn cute. I know I sound crazy now. Lol. Thank you again for the words of advice and the pep talk. Is there a snake breed out there you can handle more often than the balls?? Something just as pretty to look at.


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Forgive me as I haven't had time to read through the whole thread ( Aspergers / dyslexic so takes longer ) but I just saw your last reply and thought I'd have a word or two .. .... You sound like a real nice human being - always a good place to start :)

I'm sure you'll soon be feeling real comfortable with your Royal ( OK Ball ) Python .


For now I'd stick with your current set up with a few modifications here and there , most have probably been mentioned by others .

For now I'd simply spray / mist the tank well now and a few more times throughout the day , tomorrow morning there's then the chance that there will be a rolled up shedded skin lying around somewhere ( usually in the hide ) ...



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Continued ..... ;)

As you've already noticed it's basically an addiction for some people :)

I can speak from experience having 20 snakes currently with an Anerythristic Mexican Sand Boa coming on the 13th March ... and I still scour the snake classifieds avidly !!!

For now ( whilst you're getting used to keeping your Royal ) you should spend hours and hours of your free time reading through this forum , check on the cafe sheets , check in the help section and generally absorb as much information as you can . You sound like a real bright kid so that should be no problem .


As I said I haven't read through ALL the replies just the first few but you can see that even the experienced guys / gals have different ideas on snake keeping - the saying goes " there's more than one way to skin a cat " which is a tad unfortunate with you having a pet cat - sorry ;)

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I agree that I think your being to hard on yourself. It's not all fault on you, Could you of researched a little more before you got him, sure but why would you when the pet shop leads you to believe that theres nothing to it? I wish pet shops had a little more care for their animals, had more knowledgeable employees and informed new pet owners of exactly what the animals require to be healthy but unfortunately most just care about making the sale.

The thing is, you have him now and your doing the right thing by researching and learning so you can provide the care that he needs. It seems complicated at first but it really isn't. 5 hours is a lot of handling for any animal lol, so don't think the ball python was a bad choice just because of that. They are actually a lot more tolerable of being handled than many reptiles and they are rarely aggressive which is why they are sold in pet stores so often, hard to sell an aggressive snake.

You will be fine. Just get your temperature and humidity right and then you can move on to researching how to get him to eat. After that, you will feel a lot better and start to be able to enjoy your new pet instead of stressing about it. I think your heart is in the right place and that is most important imo.

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Forgive me as I haven't had time to read through the whole thread ( Aspergers / dyslexic so takes longer ) but I just saw your last reply and thought I'd have a word or two .. .... You sound like a real nice human being - always a good place to start :)

I'm sure you'll soon be feeling real comfortable with your Royal ( OK Ball ) Python .


For now I'd stick with your current set up with a few modifications here and there , most have probably been mentioned by others .

For now I'd simply spray / mist the tank well now and a few more times throughout the day , tomorrow morning there's then the chance that there will be a rolled up shedded skin lying around somewhere ( usually in the hide ) ...



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What you just said is exactly what I'm doing. No handling, two bowls of water, enters hides, wet towel over the screen top, and lots of misting multiple times a day. I'm stoping on my way home from work to get a new temp/humility reader for the tank. Once I know what the true readings I'm sure I get it under control. It's just tough getting started and I'm a bleeding heart when it comes to all creatures great and small. I have a lot of guilt going on right now for having done more research before getting him. I'm a woman. We are emotional by nature. Add to that the mistakes I've been making and I'm ready to cry. I truly want what's best for him. I love him so much already.


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What you just said is exactly what I'm doing. No handling, two bowls of water, enters hides, wet towel over the screen top, and lots of misting multiple times a day. I'm stoping on my way home from work to get a new temp/humility reader for the tank. Once I know what the true readings I'm sure I get it under control. It's just tough getting started and I'm a bleeding heart when it comes to all creatures great and small. I have a lot of guilt going on right now for having done more research before getting him. I'm a woman. We are emotional by nature. Add to that the mistakes I've been making and I'm ready to cry. I truly want what's best for him. I love him so much already.


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Just think a lot of people don't do any research whatsoever and when issues like this happen they just let it go and think "it'll be ok he'll come out of it". I see to many people selling on Craigslist of a setup plus snake for outrageous price and all they have is 1 hide, 1 HUGE tank, 1 water bowl, 1 uth, carpet, and the snake. That's it...your doing great keep up the good work and learn from the mistakes and your lil one will be just fine :)


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Thanks for the pep talk. I am set on doing what's right for him and I do understand long term care for pets. I have a cat that is almost 17 years old and I am the only owner of her. Picked her out of the litter before her eyes were even open. I'm a firm believer is when an animal comes into my home, they don't leave until it's time for them to meet their maker. Unless re-homing is what's best for them because I'm screwing up so badly. I have never up to this point had to re-home an animal. I do agree with you on wanting another sooner rather than later, but not until I can get things worked out with him. He is very addicting for me and I believe it's because I find no so darn cute. I know I sound crazy now. Lol. Thank you again for the words of advice and the pep talk. Is there a snake breed out there you can handle more often than the balls?? Something just as pretty to look at.


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My pleasure, that's what we're her for, to help...
I have no doubt, based on everything I've read in this thread, that you will figure it out and provide a fantastic life-long home for your snake. You don't sound crazy at all, just excited. Who can blame you? You've got an awesome new animal at home!! We all still get excited to bring a new snake home, that's why you see people proudly posting pics of their new snakes, even if they already have/have had several, dozens, even hundreds of snakes. It's exciting because we are passionate about the animals we choose to keep, and your passion is showing in your excitement. Unfortunately, the snakes don't share that excitement and just want to be left alone to adjust, learn how to survive and not be eaten. All they know is how to survive=eat and don't be eaten. They hide to avoid being eaten, and until they are adjusted and feel safe in their enclosure, EVERYTHING is a threat that is trying to eat them, including us. They will soon realize that we are not a threat and develop a trust, but first they must feel comfortable in their enclosure. So be patient, I know its hard, but it is what's best for the animal, and in time will benefit you as well. You will be able to handle your snake regularly while maintaining a safe, healthy environment. As far as snakes that can be handled more, I really don't know if there are any that are easier to handle and tolerate handling better than BPs, maybe somebody else might know more, but I personally don't. I also have an adult Cali King and two juvenile Corn snakes and absolutely love them as well. Both come in beautiful morphs and their husbandry requirements are more forgiving than BPs. They are longer, more narrow snakes and tend to be more curious and on-the-go while being handled, but should definitely be given the same time to adjust as well as handling limitations. My King will often be out for an hour or so at a time, but he's also had plenty of time with me, has proper husbandry and eats like a champ, so he is well adjusted. My BP is still a juvenile (approx. 22 inches and 188 grams as of a few days ago) and has been with me since mid January. I usually handle him daily for about 15-20 minutes, sometimes longer, at a time. He is doing extremely well, eating like a horse and growing like a weed. I'm actually expecting him to shed today and hoping to get some nice new pictures of his fresh-shed beauty.
Anyway, keep doing what you're doing as far as questioning, learning and applying. I have faith in you and truly believe your snake is in a great home. We are all rooting for you and here when you need us.

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Thanks for the pep talk. I am set on doing what's right for him and I do understand long term care for pets. I have a cat that is almost 17 years old and I am the only owner of her. Picked her out of the litter before her eyes were even open. I'm a firm believer is when an animal comes into my home, they don't leave until it's time for them to meet their maker. Unless re-homing is what's best for them because I'm screwing up so badly. I have never up to this point had to re-home an animal. I do agree with you on wanting another sooner rather than later, but not until I can get things worked out with him. He is very addicting for me and I believe it's because I find no so darn cute. I know I sound crazy now. Lol. Thank you again for the words of advice and the pep talk. Is there a snake breed out there you can handle more often than the balls?? Something just as pretty to look at.


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My pleasure, that's what we're her for, to help...
I have no doubt, based on everything I've read in this thread, that you will figure it out and provide a fantastic life-long home for your snake. You don't sound crazy at all, just excited. Who can blame you? You've got an awesome new animal at home!! We all still get excited to bring a new snake home, that's why you see people proudly posting pics of their new snakes, even if they already have/have had several, dozens, even hundreds of snakes. It's exciting because we are passionate about the animals we choose to keep, and your passion is showing in your excitement. Unfortunately, the snakes don't share that excitement and just want to be left alone to adjust, learn how to survive and not be eaten. All they know is how to survive=eat and don't be eaten. They hide to avoid being eaten, and until they are adjusted and feel safe in their enclosure, EVERYTHING is a threat that is trying to eat them, including us. They will soon realize that we are not a threat and develop a trust, but first they must feel comfortable in their enclosure. So be patient, I know its hard, but it is what's best for the animal, and in time will benefit you as well. You will be able to handle your snake regularly while maintaining a safe, healthy environment. As far as snakes that can be handled more, I really don't know if there are any that are easier to handle and tolerate handling better than BPs, maybe somebody else might know more, but I personally don't. I also have an adult Cali King and two juvenile Corn snakes and absolutely love them as well. Both come in beautiful morphs and their husbandry requirements are more forgiving than BPs. They are longer, more narrow snakes and tend to be more curious and on-the-go while being handled, but should definitely be given the same time to adjust as well as handling limitations. My King will often be out for an hour or so at a time, but he's also had plenty of time with me, has proper husbandry and eats like a champ, so he is well adjusted. My BP is still a juvenile (approx. 22 inches and 188 grams as of a few days ago) and has been with me since mid January. I usually handle him daily for about 15-20 minutes, sometimes longer, at a time. He is doing extremely well, eating like a horse and growing like a weed. I'm actually expecting him to shed today and hoping to get some nice new pictures of his fresh-shed beauty.
Anyway, keep doing what you're doing as far as questioning, learning and applying. I have faith in you and truly believe your snake is in a great home. We are all rooting for you and here when you need us.

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What you just said is exactly what I'm doing. No handling, two bowls of water, enters hides, wet towel over the screen top, and lots of misting multiple times a day. I'm stoping on my way home from work to get a new temp/humility reader for the tank. Once I know what the true readings I'm sure I get it under control. It's just tough getting started and I'm a bleeding heart when it comes to all creatures great and small. I have a lot of guilt going on right now for having done more research before getting him. I'm a woman. We are emotional by nature. Add to that the mistakes I've been making and I'm ready to cry. I truly want what's best for him. I love him so much already.


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Well I'd relax , carry on and see what tomorrow brings - probably good news , I suspect .

If it looks a right mess in the morning with skin hanging off it it's still nothing to worry about , it will just look bad to YOU . Anyways if that is the case . I'm not opposed to a 20 minute soak in a secure plastic tub ( snake temp water ) . I'd keep it in view and just watch telly or read whilst it's soaking ( just so you don't get distracted and end up leaving it for hours !)

Have a wet , rough textured towel at the ready and then get him out and let him slither through the towel in your hands , when his head pops out simply cover with the towel and keep letting him crawl through around in the towel . Apply just very gentle pressure .
This method more or less guarantees that the dead skin will come off on the towel and he'll look splendid . He won't look as wrinkled either as it helps with dehydration ..


Even though quite a few others have also suggested a short soaking ... you will probably see a few people speaking against the idea - I can only speak from experience a was told to that many ,many years ago and it does work extremely well .

Many say you shouldn't forcibly make them soak and give them a big tub to choose to soak in .... it's all opinion , I guess .




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Oh I'd forgotten about the handling issue :)

I'd say that Royals are fabulous for handling , if anyone comes to visit and wants to handle a snake for the first time I always choose one of my Royals as they're just so predictably calm and docile and will happily sit in there hands for as long as they like ( I'm taking minutes not hours lol ) . Sure people say Royals just tolerate handling and don't like it but how can anyone be sure about what a snakes thinking anyways . Presumably all snakes that can be handled just tolerate handling ...

Remember Royals are nocturnal and when we get them out during the daytime they are will be naturally subdued . I don't see anything wrong with you having a short 15 - 20 minute handling session each day , just avoid for 48 hours after feeding ( when they're digesting the meal ) .

I'm done ....for now .

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My pleasure, that's what we're her for, to help...
I have no doubt, based on everything I've read in this thread, that you will figure it out and provide a fantastic life-long home for your snake. You don't sound crazy at all, just excited. Who can blame you? You've got an awesome new animal at home!! We all still get excited to bring a new snake home, that's why you see people proudly posting pics of their new snakes, even if they already have/have had several, dozens, even hundreds of snakes. It's exciting because we are passionate about the animals we choose to keep, and your passion is showing in your excitement. Unfortunately, the snakes don't share that excitement and just want to be left alone to adjust, learn how to survive and not be eaten. All they know is how to survive=eat and don't be eaten. They hide to avoid being eaten, and until they are adjusted and feel safe in their enclosure, EVERYTHING is a threat that is trying to eat them, including us. They will soon realize that we are not a threat and develop a trust, but first they must feel comfortable in their enclosure. So be patient, I know its hard, but it is what's best for the animal, and in time will benefit you as well. You will be able to handle your snake regularly while maintaining a safe, healthy environment. As far as snakes that can be handled more, I really don't know if there are any that are easier to handle and tolerate handling better than BPs, maybe somebody else might know more, but I personally don't. I also have an adult Cali King and two juvenile Corn snakes and absolutely love them as well. Both come in beautiful morphs and their husbandry requirements are more forgiving than BPs. They are longer, more narrow snakes and tend to be more curious and on-the-go while being handled, but should definitely be given the same time to adjust as well as handling limitations. My King will often be out for an hour or so at a time, but he's also had plenty of time with me, has proper husbandry and eats like a champ, so he is well adjusted. My BP is still a juvenile (approx. 22 inches and 188 grams as of a few days ago) and has been with me since mid January. I usually handle him daily for about 15-20 minutes, sometimes longer, at a time. He is doing extremely well, eating like a horse and growing like a weed. I'm actually expecting him to shed today and hoping to get some nice new pictures of his fresh-shed beauty.
Anyway, keep doing what you're doing as far as questioning, learning and applying. I have faith in you and truly believe your snake is in a great home. We are all rooting for you and here when you need us.

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My pleasure, that's what we're her for, to help...
I have no doubt, based on everything I've read in this thread, that you will figure it out and provide a fantastic life-long home for your snake. You don't sound crazy at all, just excited. Who can blame you? You've got an awesome new animal at home!! We all still get excited to bring a new snake home, that's why you see people proudly posting pics of their new snakes, even if they already have/have had several, dozens, even hundreds of snakes. It's exciting because we are passionate about the animals we choose to keep, and your passion is showing in your excitement. Unfortunately, the snakes don't share that excitement and just want to be left alone to adjust, learn how to survive and not be eaten. All they know is how to survive=eat and don't be eaten. They hide to avoid being eaten, and until they are adjusted and feel safe in their enclosure, EVERYTHING is a threat that is trying to eat them, including us. They will soon realize that we are not a threat and develop a trust, but first they must feel comfortable in their enclosure. So be patient, I know its hard, but it is what's best for the animal, and in time will benefit you as well. You will be able to handle your snake regularly while maintaining a safe, healthy environment. As far as snakes that can be handled more, I really don't know if there are any that are easier to handle and tolerate handling better than BPs, maybe somebody else might know more, but I personally don't. I also have an adult Cali King and two juvenile Corn snakes and absolutely love them as well. Both come in beautiful morphs and their husbandry requirements are more forgiving than BPs. They are longer, more narrow snakes and tend to be more curious and on-the-go while being handled, but should definitely be given the same time to adjust as well as handling limitations. My King will often be out for an hour or so at a time, but he's also had plenty of time with me, has proper husbandry and eats like a champ, so he is well adjusted. My BP is still a juvenile (approx. 22 inches and 188 grams as of a few days ago) and has been with me since mid January. I usually handle him daily for about 15-20 minutes, sometimes longer, at a time. He is doing extremely well, eating like a horse and growing like a weed. I'm actually expecting him to shed today and hoping to get some nice new pictures of his fresh-shed beauty.
Anyway, keep doing what you're doing as far as questioning, learning and applying. I have faith in you and truly believe your snake is in a great home. We are all rooting for you and here when you need us.

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We looked at the corn snake while we were at the pet store also but the sales clerk said as they get older you have to transition them to live feed. We were told with balls, you can continue to feen frozen as long as they will eat them. I have issues with feeding live. I hate to see things die. Yes I understand it's all part of nature, no I'm not an animal rights nutcase. It's a personal thing with me. I can't do it. If I could find someone willing to come feed him for me, I'm fine with that. I would supply whatever was needed.


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We looked at the corn snake while we were at the pet store also but the sales clerk said as they get older you have to transition them to live feed. We were told with balls, you can continue to feen frozen as long as they will eat them. I have issues with feeding live. I hate to see things die. Yes I understand it's all part of nature, no I'm not an animal rights nutcase. It's a personal thing with me. I can't do it. If I could find someone willing to come feed him for me, I'm fine with that. I would supply whatever was needed.


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Live feeding is really not that bad. I have always apologized to the prey before sending them off to the snake enclosure. Fortunately, the snake kills them very quickly. I used to breed my own rats so I knew they were well fed and had a good life.

Where do you live? I'll come throw a rat in there for ya haha.

Anyway, try to relax. You have the new owner worries. Everyone gets them. I got them. I made tons of rookie mistakes when I got my first BP. You are doing just fine.


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Live feeding is really not that bad. I have always apologized to the prey before sending them off to the snake enclosure. Fortunately, the snake kills them very quickly. I used to breed my own rats so I knew they were well fed and had a good life.

Where do you live? I'll come throw a rat in there for ya haha.

Anyway, try to relax. You have the new owner worries. Everyone gets them. I got them. I made tons of rookie mistakes when I got my first BP. You are doing just fine.


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I'm south of Houston in Texas. Please feel free to stop over anytime to feed my baby. I'm sure the first time is the hardest and it probably gets easier the more you do it, but I can't bring myself to that point yet. I won't let him starve. I will do it as a last resort. If he don't eat Sunday when he's scheduled for a feeding, I'm going to get him a live mouse/rat. Sunday puts him three weeks without feeding.


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We looked at the corn snake while we were at the pet store also but the sales clerk said as they get older you have to transition them to live feed. We were told with balls, you can continue to feen frozen as long as they will eat them. I have issues with feeding live. I hate to see things die. Yes I understand it's all part of nature, no I'm not an animal rights nutcase. It's a personal thing with me. I can't do it. If I could find someone willing to come feed him for me, I'm fine with that. I would supply whatever was needed.


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You don't have to feed any snakes LIVE in my humble opinion .... that's just my take on things but we simply don't live feed in the U.K. , of course .


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You don't have to feed any snakes LIVE in my humble opinion .... that's just my take on things but we simply don't live feed in the U.K. , of course .


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Is that a rule of sorts over there or preference?? I'm just curious. You don't have to answer.


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As regards feeding thawed mice / rats I've no idea what you've been doing but there are so many ways to get them feeding , don't just resort to live feeding without trying a few different ways . There's no really way back once they're programmed for live ..

I wasn't going to bombard you with any more info until you've sorted his shed out BUT :-

This method WORKS if done properly ...
I wait until evening as they're nocturnal of course . I let the rodent thaw out in the reptile room so they get the smell ..
Then I warm up the mouse / rat with a hairdryer and offer with tongs IMMEDIATELY whilst still warm . If refused simply repeat the heating and offering as many times as needed. .
A couple of mine will only strike feed from within their hides so I dangle the warm rodent in front of the hide's entrance - usually works but if it fails simply reheat the rodent with a hairdryer and immediately offer again whilst it's still warm , continue until it's grabbed ...
I always wait until evenings to feed as they're nocturnal of course .

Incidentally , if it shows no interest at all not even a tongue flicker maybe it's best to leave for a week or so.



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We looked at the corn snake while we were at the pet store also but the sales clerk said as they get older you have to transition them to live feed. We were told with balls, you can continue to feen frozen as long as they will eat them. I have issues with feeding live. I hate to see things die. Yes I understand it's all part of nature, no I'm not an animal rights nutcase. It's a personal thing with me. I can't do it. If I could find someone willing to come feed him for me, I'm fine with that. I would supply whatever was needed.


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It seems to me that you took the advice of ONE individual, and from the sounds of things, not a well educated or experienced individual. This is why research takes time. If that guy told you that at a certain age corns will only eat pickles would you believe him? Prob not, you'd probably google "do snakes eat pickles?" to find the facts. My point being, do some homework, research before buying and eliminate the myths and headaches. Definitely a learning experience, which is a good thing. You'll know when/if you are ready for another snake, you'll have the enclosure all set up and ready to go before bringing the snake home, and you'll have less stress and headaches and more time to enjoy the snake.
So, you've really done nothing wrong to this point, you just didn't know. Maybe you've just created a minor setback, but that's ok. We ALL make mistakes at some point.
I've never heard that corns will only eat live, and I also prefer not to feed live. I prefer the safety of F/T as well as the convenience over live. I also personally don't care to see/hear the mouse/rat die if I don't have to. Out of sight, out of mind I suppose. I love all animals and also understand nature, so I choose to feed F/T. That being said, like I mentioned in a previous post, I own two corns and a King (both colubrids with very similar requirements) and have no plans to switch from F/T prey at any point in their lives. If that was a prerequisite, I would have chosen different animals.
But, we got off track a bit (my fault, sorry)...Just keep doing what you're doing with your snake and he will be fine. He will most likely need some help with this shed, but with adjustments should be ready for a healthy, one-piece shed in no time. In the meantime, give him the time like you are and get a few meals in him and he should be god to go moving forward.

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It may well be illegal , I'm not 100% certain ...

It's just not accepted or even talked about in snake circles or forums , I'm sure the odd one or few DO feed live behind closed doors . Pretty sure the RSPCA take action when alerted .

Best ask Dr Del on in here he's more knowledgeable and experienced on snakey matters tbh


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[QUOTE=craigafrechette;2511553]It seems to me that you took the advice of ONE individual, and from the sounds of things, not a well educated or experienced individual. This is why research takes time. If that guy told you that at a certain age corns will only eat pickles would you believe him? Prob not, you'd probably google "do snakes eat pickles?" to find the facts. My point being, do some homework, research before buying and eliminate the myths and headaches. Definitely a learning experience, which is a good thing. You'll know when/if you are ready for another snake, you'll have the enclosure all set up and ready to go before bringing the snake home, and you'll have less stress and headaches and more time to enjoy the snake.
So, you've really done nothing wrong to this point, you just didn't know. Maybe you've just created a minor setback, but that's ok. We ALL make mistakes at some point.
I've never heard that corns will only eat live, and I also prefer not to feed live. I prefer the safety of F/T as well as the convenience over live. I also personally don't care to see/hear the mouse/rat die if I don't have to. Out of sight, out of mind I suppose. I love all animals and also understand nature, so I choose to feed F/T. That being said, like I mentioned in a previous post, I own two corns and a King (both colubrids with very similar requirements) and have no plans to switch from F/T prey at any point in their lives. If that was a prerequisite, I would have chosen different animals.
But, we got off track a bit (my fault, sorry)...Just keep doing what you're doing with your snake and he will be fine. He will most likely need some help with this shed, but with adjustments should be ready for a healthy, one-piece shed in no time. In the meantime, give him the time like you are and get a few meals in him and he should be god to go moving forward.[/QUOTE

well I think we have the feed thing figured out. At least I have been given some great advice on when and how to feed. We have decided to feed at night in a lowlight area only by me. We were feeding middle of the day with everyone watching. I have a separate feeding tank for him as well. I was thawing his food in warm water but only bringing it to room temp. The plan is to do as you and others have suggested and heat it up with a hairdryer first. How will I know if it's over heated?? I don't want to burn him. Can I use a food thermometer for checking temp??


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As regards feeding thawed mice / rats I've no idea what you've been doing but there are so many ways to get them feeding , don't just resort to live feeding without trying a few different ways . There's no really way back once they're programmed for live ..

I wasn't going to bombard you with any more info until you've sorted his shed out BUT :-

This method WORKS if done properly ...
I wait until evening as they're nocturnal of course . I let the rodent thaw out in the reptile room so they get the smell ..
Then I warm up the mouse / rat with a hairdryer and offer with tongs IMMEDIATELY whilst still warm . If refused simply repeat the heating and offering as many times as needed. .
A couple of mine will only strike feed from within their hides so I dangle the warm rodent in front of the hide's entrance - usually works but if it fails simply reheat the rodent with a hairdryer and immediately offer again whilst it's still warm , continue until it's grabbed ...
I always wait until evenings to feed as they're nocturnal of course .

Incidentally , if it shows no interest at all not even a tongue flicker maybe it's best to leave for a week or so.



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WOW!!! That looks awesome. They are beautiful by the way. How old are they?? I can't wait for my little guy to look like that that.


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WOW!!! That looks awesome. They are beautiful by the way. How old are they?? I can't wait for my little guy to look like that that.


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I'd guess they're only a couple of years old there , I've got so many photos I lose track of things ....


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Can you handle them pretty easily at that size?? Do they on the defensive?? My little guy rarely goes on the defensive and has never lunged/struck out at us as of yet. Pretty surprising considering I've done just about everything wrong with him in the almost two weeks we've had him. Lol.


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WOW!!! That looks awesome. They are beautiful by the way. How old are they?? I can't wait for my little guy to look like that that.


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Are they a breeding pair or just family members?? They look amazing.


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Well they're an unrelated pair of HC Albino Royals , I don't breed or have any intention to breed any snakes . I just collect :)

So they're just pets - if you can call snakes pets !?! ( that's another conversation )


Holy moly - I'm gonna get into so much trouble after jumping into this thread - first I approved the other suggestions to soak , then I added MY disapproval of LIVE feeding and now I'm calling my snakes PETS .

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Can you handle them pretty easily at that size?? Do they on the defensive?? My little guy rarely goes on the defensive and has never lunged/struck out at us as of yet. Pretty surprising considering I've done just about everything wrong with him in the almost two weeks we've had him. Lol.


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Na , none of my Royals have ever shown any hint of aggression or defensiveness , that's the beauty of them tbh .

I have heard of just a few bat crazy ones over the years though and the odd hatchling can be nippy apparently , never come across it myself thankfully .


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Are they a breeding pair or just family members?? They look amazing.


Well they're an unrelated pair of HC Albino Royals , I don't breed or have any intention to breed any snakes . I just collect :)

So they're just pets - if you can call snakes pets !?! ( that's another conversation )


Holy moly - I'm gonna get into so much trouble after jumping into this thread - first I approved the other suggestions to soak , then I showed MY disapproval of LIVE feeding and now I'm calling my snakes PETS .

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Lmao. I'm sure they understand. I'm curious about breeding. Not for me, but I think it would be neat to watch the progress from being to end. It's one thing to see video on nature shows or YouTube. It's a whole new experience seeing it in person. I can see getting myself into trouble with my curiosity's. I think that's the ADD kicking in. That when compared with OCD is great. J/k...


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Lmao. I'm sure they understand. I'm curious about breeding. Not for me, but I think it would be neat to watch the progress from being to end. It's one thing to see video on nature shows or YouTube. It's a whole new experience seeing it in person. I can see getting myself into trouble with my curiosity's. I think that's the ADD kicking in. That when compared with OCD is great. J/k...


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The breeding process is quite amazing. I've had two clutches and both times it was magical. There is nothing like seeing little snake heads pop out of eggs!

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What a pair we make ---- I'm Aspergers / dyslexic :)


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Do you have any pictures you can share?? Does the female incubate the eggs or do you have to remove them from her and place them in a warmer??


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